Rasmussen Report, the company that the "rethugs" love, tells the truth

[RaulVB]

A similar info was posted by Karenca days ago, but I really overlooked the context!

IN JANUARY 24, 2005, 4 DAYS AFTER INAUGURATION, "*" APPROVAL RATING WAS 44%!!!

That's IMPOSSIBLE IF HE WAS THE "WINNER" of the last election.

I can't believe that some people could tell us to move on. This is so outrageous.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

[Karenca]

1. These #'s .............

aggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!:argh:

When is it going to happen?
When do you think he'll be exposed for what he did?


I forgot what it feels like not to be angry.

[RaulVB]

2. Sooner than we may think...

They are pushing this way too far and millions of Americans are thinking that there is something wrong here!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. I agree with you guys! I always thought the low approval

was key. He was under 50 on election day. I think you can compare it to a symptom of an illness. This is part of the evidence (or symptom) that something fraudulent HAD to happen for the results to come out the way they did.

What do we do? I still think all the mass of data needs to be organized into categories. It is so overwelming. Where do you start? We need a comprehensive document/book. What else, besides what I have below? Any categorized wrong??

OUTLINE
We have hard facts:
1.machine malfunction
2.overvotes
3.distribution of voting machines
4.intimidation/dirty tricks

We have soft facts/circumstances:
1.exit poll anomalies
2.variance from pre-election polls
3.variance from favorability ratings
4.no vote for top-of-the-ticket anomaly.

We have stuff that I call "setting the stage":
1.voting for no paper trail
2.purging voters
3.appointments of partisan election officials
4.Voting machines developed/programmed by partisans

[RaulVB]

4. I do agree in that we need a BOOK to come out

ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE PUT ON WRITING SO PEOPLE CAN "FEEL IT" AND TOUCH IT.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Yes !! Oh I forgot all the stuff about who owns the machines/software

[understandinglife]

6. You might want to contact Gary at Solar Bus and Ray Beckerman...

....at fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com and perhaps Will Pitt and see if a book is already underway and, if not, maybe they would be willing to collaborate on the project.

Peace.


TBO;24/7

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. thanks for the lead!

[emlev]

31. Also check out the book freepress.org is doing n/t

[msongs]

8. Where do you start? hmmm good question if

You say "Where do you start?" Well you could start by finding ONE democratic congressperson, senator, or governor who gave a damn about republicans stealing elections and was willing to stand up in public and demand accountability and criminal investigation.

Where can you find such an elected democrat? Here in California we only have one, Barbara Boxer, and all the rest of the elected democrats do not give a damn about the issue. they'd rather lose. forever.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Thanks. No I wouldn't be interested in looking for a public servant

What's the point. Virtually no one is willing to stick their neck out. I don't really care. They have some complicity just by being silent. The information is out there and the real point, to me, is to get the word out to the masses, most of them know nothing about what happened. Doing research on Florida and no-paper trails. Can't wait to write about who was pushing that. I mean, seriously, what possible altruistic motive could anyone have NOT to want paper trail -- save trees?? And this is not supposition it is fact.

[Mister Ed]

13. Yep. Forget the politicians. "If the people lead, the leaders will follow"

[dandrhesse]

33. absolutely, I think this is what the Dem politicians are trying to say to

us! I think that is why they are encouraging us in every way possible to keep speaking out and standing up. They can not present a case without widespread public support, it would go nowhere, that's why it is up to us as individuals and collectively as a group to keep on making noise and not give up.

[electropop]

34. In the Senate? Only Boxer. But the House is slightly better.

Conyers, Tubbs-Jones, and a dozen others stood up for the Constitution on January 6th. It seems Boxer has decided it's a career-enhancing move to boldly oppose the Fascists, and she's right, unless they kill her.

[marions ghost]

24. I think this list is a good start

Let the facts speak for themselves. A compilation like this of the info to date would be very helpful.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

7. kick

[tritsofme]

9. On Election Day Rasmussen said his approval was 52%

Looks like a case of buyer's remorse to me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Here's a list of all of them. Avg 49.5 on election day

http://realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/bush_ja.html

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[tritsofme]

18. Right, believe Rasmussen when you like his numbers

Dismiss him when when you don't like his numbers.

When he said bush had a 51% approval rating and had bush beating Kerry 50-48 on Election Day he was a tool of the Republicans, today he says bush has a 44% approval rating and now he's telling the truth.

I see it as buyer's remorse, but if you can reconcile that scenario in your head, I can understand a lot of your other beliefs as well.

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[tritsofme]

20. Fact Rasmussen said 51% approval on election day

How do you reconcile that?

Were they lying then and telling the truth now?

Did their contract with Karl Rove expire?

[Karenca]

21. Not exactly......I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BE, BEING THAT 50.9% said the

country was going in the wrong diresction, and only 43.3% said the country was going in the right direction..Check it out:

RealClearPolitics Poll Average

RCP Final Pre-Election Avg 10/27-11/1 43.3% 50.9% -7.6%

Marist 11/1 45% 52% -7%
GW/Battleground 10/31-11/1 43% 52% -9%
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 10/29 - 10/31 46% 52% -6%
NBC/WSJ 10/29 - 10/31 41% 47% -6%
CBS/NY Times 10/28 - 10/30 47% 51% -4%
Newsweek 10/27 - 10/29 39% 56% -17%
FOX News 10/27 - 10/28 42% 46% -4%
GW-Battleground 10/25 - 10/28 41% 53% -12%
Newsweek 10/21 - 10/22 40% 56% -16%
Rasmussen 10/20 - 10/22 43% 54% -11%
AP-Ipsos 10/18 - 10/20 41% 56% -15%
Marist 10/17 - 10/19 44% 54% -10%
Pew Research* 10/15 - 10/19 36% 58% -18%
NBC/WSJ 10/17 - 10/18 39% 48% -9%
CBS News 10/14 - 10/17 39% 57% -18%
Newsweek 10/14 - 10/15 40% 55% -15%
GW-Battleground 10/11 - 10/14 41% 52% -11%
Rasmussen 10/6 - 10/8 43% 54% -11%
GW-Battleground 10/4 - 10/7 40% 53% -13%
AP/Ipsos 10/4 - 10/6 40% 56% -16%
Marist 10/4 - 10/5 41% 53% -12%
CBS News/NYT 10/1 - 10/3 40% 51% -11%
Zogby 10/1 - 10/3 48% 47% +1%
Newsweek 9/30 - 10/2 38% 57% -19%
Rasmussen 9/29 - 10/1 42% 54% -12%
GW-Battleground 9/27 - 9/30 41% 50% -9%
LA Times 9/25 - 9/28 42% 53% -11%
GW-Battleground 9/20 - 9/23 39% 53% -14%
Time 9/21 - 9/23 43% 51% -8%
Marist 9/20 - 9/22 38% 53% -15%
AP/Ipsos 9/20 - 9/22 45% 52% -7%
CBS News 9/20 - 9/22 41% 54% -13%
NBC/WSJ 9/17 - 9/19 39% 49% -10%
Zogby 9/17 - 9/19 43% 50% -7%
Rasmussen 9/15 - 9/17 42% 54% -12%
CBS News 9/12 - 9/16 41% 51% -10%
Gallup 9/13 - 9/15 41% 56% -15%
GW-Battleground 9/12 - 9/15 41% 53% -12%
Annenberg 9/3 - 9/12 42% 51% -9%
Newsweek 9/9 - 9/10 39% 53% -14%
Zogby 9/8 - 9/9 46% 48% -2%
AP/Ipsos 9/7 - 9/9 44% 52% -8%
Newsweek 9/2 - 9/3 43% 49% -6%
Time 8/31 - 9/2 45% 50% -5%
NBC News/WSJ 8/23 - 8/25 36% 50% -14%
Annenberg 8/9 - 8/29 39% 52% -13%
LA Times 8/21 - 8/24 40% 52% -12%
CBS News 8/15- 8/18 39% 55% -16%
Battleground Poll 8/15- 8/17 39% 54% -15%
Gallup 8/9- 8/11 44% 55% - 11%
AP-Ipsos 8/3 - 8/5 39% 59% - 20%
Dem Corps (D) 8/2 - 8/5 39% 55% - 16%
Marist 7/30 - 8/2 41% 48% - 7%
Newsweek 7/29 - 7/30 36% 58% - 22%
Annenberg 7/5-7/25 37% 55% - 18%
NBC/WSJ 7/19-7/21 36% 48% - 12%
NPR - POS/GQR 7/18-7/20 40% 54% -14%
LA Times 7/17-7/21 39% 54% -15%
Pew 7/8 - 7/18 38% 55% - 17%
Marist 7/12 - 7/15 38% 52% - 14%
Dem Corps** 7/10- 7/13 41% 54% - 13%
Gallup 7/8 - 7/11 41% 57% - 16%
Newsweek 7/8 - 7/9 40% 54% - 14%
Time 7/6 - 7/8 39% 49% - 10%
Zogby 7/6 - 7/7 47% 48% - 1%
AP-Ipsos 7/5 - 7/7 41% 56% - 15%
Annenberg 6/16 - 6/30 35% 56% - 21%
NBC News/WSJ 6/25 - 6/28 36% 48% - 12%
CBS News/NY Times 6/23 - 6/27 36% 57% - 21%
Battleground Poll 6/20 - 6/23 40% 55% - 15%
Annenberg 6/8 - 6/21 40% 50% - 10%
NPR/GQR 6/6 - 6/10 40% 54% - 14%
AP-Ipsos 6/7 - 6/9 40% 56% - 16%
LA Times 6/5- 6/8 34% 58% - 24%
Gallup 6/3 - 6/6 39% 59% - 20%
Zogby 6/2 - 6/5 44% 50% - 6%
Quinnipiac 5/18 -5/24 41% 58% - 17%
Quinnipiac 5/18 -5/24 41% 58% - 17%
CBS News 5/20 - 5/23 30% 65% - 35%
Democracy Corps 5/10 - 5/13 37% 56% - 19%
Pew Research 5/3 - 5/9 33% 61% - 28%
Ayres McHenry (R) 5/3 - 5/6 36% 56% - 20%
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 5/2 - 5/4 36% 62% - 26%
NBC/WSJ 5/1 - 5/3 33% 50% - 17%
Quinnipiac 4/26 - 5/3 44% 55% - 11%
CBS News/NYT 4/23 - 4/27 36% 55% - 19%
Democracy Corps (D) 4/19 - 4/22 40% 54% - 14%
Zogby 4/15-4/17 44% 49% - 5%
Newsweek 4/8-4/9 36% 59% - 22%
AP/Ipsos 4/5 - 4/7 38% 57% - 19%
BattleGround 3/28 - 3/31 38% 57% - 19%
LA Times 3/27 - 3/30 36% 55% - 19%
Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/22 48% 51% - 3%
Democracy Corps (D) 3/16 - 3/21 42% 50% - 8%
CBS News/NYT 3/10-3/14 38% 54% - 16%
Gallup 3/8- 3/11 39% 60% - 21%
NBC/WSJ 3/6- 3/8 41% 49% - 8%
AP/Ipsos 3/1-3/3 35% 60% - 25%
NPR 2/6,28,29,3/1 40% 54% - 14%
Pew Research 2/24 - 2/29 39% 55% -16%
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 2/9 - 2/12 45% 54% - 9%
CNN/Time* 2/5 - 2/6 60% NA NA
Ipsos-Public Affairs/AP 2/2 - 2/4 44% 52% - 8%
CNN/Time 1/14 - 1/15 65% NA NA
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 1/12 - 1/15 46% 53% - 7%
Ipsos-Public Affairs/AP 1/5 - 1/7 49% 46% + 3%
CNN/Gallup/USA Today 1/2 - 1/5 55% 43% + 12%

http://realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/direction_of_country.html

[tritsofme]

25. You're looking at two different questions

It never made sense to me that so few people were satisfied with the direction of the country and yet approved of bush, but it was a phenomenon that we saw the whole election season, and crossed through most major pollsters.

All I'm trying to say is that you can't look only at this 44% approval number and ignore that Rasmussen said bush was leading Kerry 50-48 on election day with a 51% approval rating.

[RaulVB]

15. Average, don't forget that

His real numbers were close to 48% (or even less)

[Karenca]

22. Raul..Check post #21 for some eye-opening numbers...

(as if we did'nt know):hi:

[RaulVB]

23. Oh, yes,

He was consistently polling below 47% and on the issues he was close to 40%.

"Winning numbers", eh?

[Karenca]

27. I always knew he wasn't a popular prsident and that he would

somehow manage to steal this one too.

I followed each and every poll, almost compulsively, and I knew he didnt have the approval of the people.

[detroitguy]

17. Anybody know...

...what is up with Wayne Madsen's investigation?

[anaxarchos]

26. First negative "bounce" in the history of presidential elections...

bracketed by opinion polls. Instead of a "bandwagon", Bush got a station(ary) wagon.

[RaulVB]

28. Correct

And "not very convenient" for the "American press" to use it as a headline.

[TruthIsAll]

29. 48.5% - BUSH AVERAGE RATING ON ELECTION DAY

HIS AVERAGE RATING WAS 48.5%, BASED ON THESE POLLSTERS:

Avg Nwk Fox Gallup Pew Harris CBS ABC Time NBC AP Zogby
48.5 46.0 49.0 51.0 44.0 na 44.0 53.0 53.0 49.0 47.0 49.0

HERE IS HIS MONTHLY TREND FROM FEB. 2001:

[RaulVB]

30. Thanks

According to the "incumbent rule" and these totals, Kerry was to going to win handily, and that's what happened at the end.

[indianaleft]

32. Just to play devil's advocate...

...I do think they stole it, but just for sake of argument:

1. Didn't polls show Bush doing better against Kerry than against the idea of not having Bush (unnamed candidate)? If so, wouldn't it stand to reason that he could still beat Kerry with a 48-49% approval rating, especially if (and I think it was so) that Kerry had high negative ratings?

2. Is it also possible that Rove et al managed to peak public/MSM enthusiasm for Bush on November 2, with valleys before-hand and afterward, as Rove knew all he had to do was win on that one day?

3. Perhaps the "incumbent rule" was overhyped, as Kerry was so well known thanks to half a billion dollars of spending?

4. Or is all this just spin, as we will eventually find out when the great scam is uncovered? Truthfully, I think there was a reprogramming of the tabulation software -- otherwise, it would just take too many conspirators to turn a 3 million vote loss into a 2.5 million vote win.

Let's find the truth!

[NationalEnquirer]

35. Buyers remorse maybe.

This premise is certainly much weaker than the exit poll one, but I guess it is something of an indicator.

Rassmusen DID predict the overall vote and the "winner" however, so I don't know how much to trust him.