Why Stealing Elections ( and a lot else) Is Totally Okay With This Cult

[Helga Scow Stern]

We should all see these fascinating, scary videos from Theocracy Watch at Cornell:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

[rumpel]

1. makes me wonder what we are up against...thanks for this post.

[EFerrari]

2. You know, I'm AFRAID TO LOOK! And I 've had teenagers : )

[Helga Scow Stern]

15. It's scary, alright, but we must look and keep looking!

And get others to look!

[Divine Discontent]

3. good stuff for college kids to watch

and learn about how control can be easily taken within a few years and ignoring even the Constitution in doing so!


God bless...

[Oversea Visitor]

4. Just a vechicle

Bottomline is money.
They need more money to buy over the world media and resources.

[Helga Scow Stern]

11. But they want the money to do "God's will,"

at least that's what they believe.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

5. I just spent the last hour and a half listening to this lecture

and reading about the Constitution Restoration Act and Dominionism--the prior of which I hadn't heard of before. Thank you for the links, but what a way to start a day... I am trying to determine how best to introduce people I know to the fact that our government has been taken over by right-wing, "Christians". Most people don't know anything about this, and when you tell them, they not only don't believe you, but think you have gone off the deep end...

[dmac]

8. I guess we are all going to be seen as going off

the deep end together - hey, at least we have some practice thanks to our vocalizing about election fraud. Who knew we were just warming up those tin-hats for something even bigger? You are right - people are going to resist this even more readily than they were willing to contemplate election fraud. But I don't see how anyone can watch/listen that clip and not see the correlations and not be horrified at the things that have already been changed without us being any the wiser. Yes, I am afraid our hats are with us for good - perhaps we should make them fashionable?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

9. How do we get them to watch it in the 1st place?

I know i am not the only one here who has been having "relationship problems" lately because of political issues. I sent a couple links to the strange coronation service of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, which took place in the Senate building back in March... I quoted excerpts from the articles and asked a couple people what they thought of it. One said he couldn't understand why people hated "our" president (puke) so much that they would spread such slander (on edit, that one was sent to a "Christian")...the other (a lifelong liberal with a masters in poli-sci) asked if I REALLY believed America is about to be overrun with Moonies, and that he is leery about "news" taken from the internet. To person #2, I responded in part, "You are right, it does sound Crazy! Would you believe CBS news? How about the Seattle Times and Washington Post?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/21/politics/main630916.shtml
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationalpolitics/2001962785_moon23.html
...but gee whiz, they couldn't get the links to work :eyes:

I think the best way to win these people over is to do it in baby steps, and start with the most simple, basic, least outlandish bits of info taken from the most "credible" (aka MSM which WE know is INcredible) sources...but it is hard to go back to level 101 when we have absorbed so much, WAY beyond that, over the past 12 or so weeks.

On a lighter note, I like your idea of making tinhats fashionable ;)We were talking about the other day about wearing Ukraine orange and "terrorcotta"...or "scared-yellow" with basic black (taken from the nuclear hazard symbol)...too funny. We could design QUITE the outfits for our next protests!

[dmac]

24. You aren't kidding . . . how do you get them to watch/read in the

first place? I have begun to hand out (to select people) various things I have printed from the DU select articles, with the statement that, "Reading this is a prerequisite to being my friend" - of course they usually laugh, but they also usually promise they will read it ---- but they don't say when they will read it and I feel like if I have their word, then I must resist the urge to hound them to "do it NOW and get back to me as soon as possible!" which is what I want to say. So far I have only gotten feedback from one friend, who had already read some stuff on her own, right after the election, and believes it but put it behind her as time has passed. Her comment is that she still believes the election was stolen but she accepts that there is nothing we can do about it and has moved on. Not hounding is very difficult as I feel like I chose the most convincing articles to print - though unfortunately none of them fit into that 60 - 120 second sound bite that reflects the average American's attention span. I would just like to hear from one person that hey, maybe there is something to this.

And I am finding it more and more difficult to sit and carry on banal, humdrum, everyday conversations when there are such important unresolved issues just floating around, and completely ignored.

My tin-foil hat is going to be purple - as I turn 50 this year and I think I will wear purple to represent the 50 and over age group. Maybe the young should paint theirs psychedelic or fluorescent colors. Either way, we will be seen as a colorful group and we really ought to do it and wear our flakiness with pride. If we are going to be labeled demented, eccentric lunatics, then we should at least dress the part and maybe we can impart the message that their skepticism hurts them, not us.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

34. Distilling it down to that 60 - 120 second sound bite is what is so hard

A catchy heading with one or 2 sentences and a link or 2 is what I try to give them. Still, like you, I don't know who is really reading anything I send. And if one gives me that "time to move on" line or something similar, I know they haven't been reading... I know "I" can't move on, with the knowledge I have! And to have to listen to their accounts of shopping and errand running, etc, in the face of all that is going on... I get weary of it too, and am in sort of a recuperation period until I figure out where and how best to invest my time and energy.

I like the purple foil hat idea... sending you a message.

[BamaBecky]

28. You have been having as much fun as I have - with your Republican friends.

It doesn't matter how many which ways from sunday you give it to them - THEY CAN'T WRAP THEIR BRAIN AROUND IT!

:shrug:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

30. That's true in the case of person #1 that I mentioned

But person #2 is a Democrat!! What about the liberals who are "over" it, and suggest I should be too, or the one who "used to think the election was stolen", but now they believe "there are a lot more people out there who were dumb enough to vote for bu$h" than they wanted to admit... or the one who said to me "no offense, but do you really think (all the work I have been doing, and energy I have been expending) is REALLY going to make any difference?" (and then tells me about her latest boring shopping expedition).

[Peace Patriot]

43. Maybe trace the BushCon meme for them?

"...but now they believe 'there are a lot more people out there who were dumb enough to vote for bu$h' than they wanted to admit."--eowyn_of_rohan

1. The Exit Polls showed Kerry won by a 3% margin.

2. The TV networks hid this info from the American people--as election night went on, they "adjusted" the Exit Polls to fit the "official results" (coming from BushCon company central vote tabulators run on secret, proprietary source code)--unlike in the Ukraine, where people saw the two conflicting figures--the Exit Polls vs. the "official results," and revolted--and got a re-vote. Americans were denied that information.

2. Later the Exit Pollster (Edison/Mitofsky), trying to save their sorry asses, put out the story that Republican voters were shy of pollsters, and so the Exit Poll was skewed to Kerry, and this meme was repeated often by BushCons on TV and by the lapdog news media.

3. On Jan. 29, NINE PH.D.'S and other experts issued a report saying a) Kerry won the Exit Polls; b) Edison/Mitofsky's explanation for why their Exit Polls showed Kerry winning and not Bush was without foundation--no evidence whatsoever that Republicans were shy of pollsters, in fact, the Exit Poll data contained evidence of the opposite; c) the odds against a Bush win, given the Exit Poll data, are 1 in 10 million; and d) they called for a full investigation of the 2004 election--the latest in a long list of experts who have done so.

Is your friend smart enough to follow this? Your friend has been conned, as have many Americans. Worse than conned--brainwashed. But that's something for YOU to know, and not to say. Treat her/him gently. Re-enforce any sign of independent thinking. Gently wean them from the evil, lying, delusionist lapdog news.

In summary, the meme that Republicans were shy of pollsters is entirely wrong--no factual basis. It was merely used to muddy the picture of a stolen election. She/he heard somebody say it on TV, and thought, "Yeah, maybe that explains it. Makes sense. People SHOULD BE ashamed of voting for Bush!" No factual basis. None. In fact, the opposite is probably true--as the professors suggest--that the Exit Polls were actually skewed to Bush, and Kerry's margin was even higher.

Here's the report by the 9 Ph.D.s. It's only 5 pages long and an easy read:

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

[understandinglife]

17. I think we might want to line them with asbestos ;-) (nt)

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7

[Helga Scow Stern]

12. I never believed it or understood the extent of it until I watched

these reports. With what I have learned of "spiritual groups," cults, and how they go astray, it makes perfect sense.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

16. And then start looking into how these rightwing "Christians" tie in to

corporations, including but not limited to the likes of Diebold, et al... because there are also RW Christian tie-ins to mind-control corp.s such as Amway. FYI, one of the founders of Amway is Richard DeVos. His son Dickie Jr., has a wife, Betsy DeVos. She is the chairman of the Michigan GOP and is stepping down and expected to run for governor. The other founder of Amway is Jay VanAndel who's just as involved in GOP and RW Christian power groups. On top of that, his VanAndel Research group benefitted greatly from Michigan state tobacco settlement money, and one of their special projects is the Human Genome Project...

from www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushgang.htm

“The Human Genome Project, as it admits on the very first page of its website, is derived from the eugenics movement in the US and Nazi Germany during the first half of the 20th century. The Eugenics Records Office at Cold Springs Harbor NY- where American eugenics started – was built by the Harriman family – the Bushes’ Wall Street business partners in funding Hitler. This is the new frontier of colonialism in the 21st century – the total domination and exploitation of the earth and everything on it – the New World Order both former President Bush and Adolf Hitler so frequently called for.”

Enough to make you want to crawl back in bed and never come out.

[BamaBecky]

29. which reports? the theoracy watch reports? eom

[Helga Scow Stern]

31. Yes, the theocracy watch reports.

Did you see them?

[hootinholler]

36. If you've never personally experienced charismatic christianity...

Be thankful you've led a sheltered life. If you want the full effect, skip the service and head to the 'pray meetins'.

-Hoot

[Helga Scow Stern]

38. I've never experienced charismatic Christianity,

but I've experienced some other doosies of cult behavior.

[hootinholler]

35. Please refer to them as Theo-CONS

Several of us are building the tools to frame the exposure of the Corporatista Junta who's successful coup has occured twice.

-Hoot

[Helga Scow Stern]

37. Theocons. Theocons. Theocons. n/t

[dusty64]

6. The link between these groups

and the vapor vote machines IS the smoking gun of fraud with the establishment of a theocracy in this country. So far their plan is going without a hitch, this issue needs to be pushed and pushed hard. Its little wonder the corporate media won't touch it, it would ruin their agenda.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

10. That is the strongest link alright, and their lifeline.

This sounds impossible and probably dumb, but it seems to me we must stop any and all elections from taking place here until we have a way to prove the accuracy of the results...We cannot trust that a single elected official was really chosen by the people. How can we take part in voting under these circumstances?? I don't like to imagine myself in the voting line in 2 years, if this stuff isnt fixed by then...

And regarding the MSM, I have gotten to the point where I cannot stomach the sight or sound of any of the talking heads. I find them as repulsive as bu$h himself.

[Helga Scow Stern]

13. I agree. We need to keep making Dems and media aware.

And it IS the smoking gun. It all falls into place, realizing this. And DeLay's agenda becomes much clearer in this context.

[KingoftheJungle]

42. You may find stunning links between these groups and election/database/oil

...companies. Also in place like the CNP, CFR, opus dei, and the knights of malta (CIA).

[AntiFascist]

44. It should also be pointed out...

that much of this is really nothing new. Researching many of these areas on my own has completely and radically changed my own world view (and I'm NOT talking about UFOs or reptillian DNA). What I see happening in the world is really a process where the nature of the evil, namely the misapplication of religion, is bringing itself to a head. This may be the only way it can be dealt with ultimately.

[KingoftheJungle]

46. I totally agree...

This line of investigation has also radically altered my world perception, and I have also come to the conclusion that the insanity we are presently witnessing may actually provide the foundation by which we will learn and evolve from, a big step closer to purging these evils from the human race. This is the last gasp of fascist corporatism, religious fundamentalism, and the power the NWO currently enjoys but is actually losing through new technologies such as the Internet. My hope is that they don't take the human race down with them...which seems to be the plan so far.

[dmac]

7. Wow. I am stunned. Thank you for

posting this and to all of you who marked this to come back to later after seeing it was almost 45 minutes long, make sure you do circle back to this and spend the time to listen. Not only does it articulate exactly where we are and why - I believe it is also illustrative of why the election was stolen - as they have advanced this agenda to the point they can see the light at the end of the tunnel and they weren't about to be put on hold. I guess it is up to us to turn those lights out.

I know of many Christians who would object to this - but I also know many who would not. The bottom line, they are already making crucial changes to our Constitution that we are unaware of that will have a life-changing impact on society.

[hootinholler]

23. Not turn the lights out, but

Convert them into an oncomming train!

-Hoot

[dmac]

25. So you are saying the light at the end of their tunnel is actually

the train that is going to run them over. Much better visual with that. Thanks.

[hootinholler]

32. Well I guess I'm saying that

WE are that train.

-Hoot

[Helga Scow Stern]

33. And we are chugging along,

building up steam and momentum.

[NationalEnquirer]

14. Because the ends justifies the means for them.

They claim that the Communists said this, well they DO it..

[demodonkey]

18. Well, the 10 Commandments says "Thou Shalt Not STEAL". And they want...

DEATH penalty to anybody who breaks one of the Ten Commandments, so by their own admission it should be...

Buh, bye!

[Helga Scow Stern]

20. They don't think that stealing the election is stealing....

it is simply doing God's will, because they are following the directive to put God's people in power, in Dominion, over all offices of the land.

Nonbelievers, anyone not part of their strict cult, do not have any rights anyway. They'ree toast...it's only a matter of time until they get to see the unfaithfuls' flesh melting, etc., in the great coming of justice that they are gleefully quickening with the violence in the middle east.

[demodonkey]

22. Yeah right, only WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES who own property are real humans!

:puke:

[dmac]

26. Excellent point!

[understandinglife]

19. It should now be clear why I've focused on "Bush theocratic NeoCON cabal"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x312332

Any hope we have of meaningful election reform -- total elimination of all software from voting and the use of only paper ballots counted by people with lots of cameras and observers present -- is that we must educate our fellow citizens to the insidious links between the theocrats (dominionists), the election-hackers, the PNACers, the attack on our Constitution, and illegal, imperialistic preemptive war.


Peace.

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7

[Helga Scow Stern]

21. Yes, after watching these videos, I appreciate "theocratic"

in the title of your renaming effort.

And in the article, THe Madness of King George, about malignant egophrenia as a nonlocalized field to which we are all susceptible, naming the malignancy is the first step to getting a handle on it, to transforming it.

[mirandapriestly]

27. Terrifying

people who vote Democratic will be punished by God in a letter sent out by the Republican National Committee. How did this happen???




(edited to remove NT)

[dmac]

39. I know! Does it seem to you like some re-writing of the Bible

has taken place? And I still don't get ignoring the New Testament in favor of the Old - aside from the fact that the Old allows them to carry out their evil deeds while kidding themselves that they are being righteous.

[Helga Scow Stern]

40. The Old Testament has some really scary stuff....

it is the book of a bloodthirsty, jealous god who stops at nothing in acquiring what it wants.

[dmac]

41. My God! Who does that sound like? eom

[jdog]

45. Maybe Frontline would not be so intimidating to people?

I agree, the Dominionist video is very scary. I also watched this Frontline which helped me understand how * has developed his religious persona. You might find it interesting too.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/

[Helga Scow Stern]

48. Oh yes. I saw this when it first aired. It was interesting,

and much less direct than the theocracywatch information.

[AtLiberty]

47. Over 20 years ago, I dated a young man...

He was very handsome, outgoing, polite, smart, hard-working and funny. He was the eldest of a large Catholic family. Religion never came up. I was madly in love...UNTIL...

He gave me a paperback book, urging me to read it. By page two, I realized that it was about a cult. *insert primal scream* All about building new societies in rural America, women wearing dresses, donating a flat ten percent of gross income for the cause, blah, blah, blah... As always, the rich, white males have it made.

Honestly, I don't recall the name of the cult and am not interested in researching, BUT BOY -- this christian reconstructionism is eerily the same.

I was simultaneously devastated by flunking "the test" leading to a break-up and the how BLIND I had been. I didn't see it coming. That's how many of them operate.