Anyone else think the timing of this McAuliffe thing is Dean-related?

[mattclearing]

I have a feeling that Dean is already in control.

The hypothetical situation goes, Terry calls Dean, says, "Congratulations, everyone has decided you will be my successor. We might as well start planning a transition. Anything I can do to get the ball rolling?"

And Dean replies, "INVESTIGATE THE FUCKING VOTING MACHINES ALREADY!!! Christ, I couldn't say anything about it while I was running for the chairmanship, but that Ohio thing stinks to high heaven!"

Anyway, that's the way I read it. Any thoughts?

[sasquatch]

1. Here's what I'd say

Yeah, buy a pistol and FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS PEICE OF SHIT COWARD I'll be rebuilding the party and the country you fuckwad.

[mattclearing]

6. Terry McAuliffe isn't the enemy. Give him a break.

In fact, I got to see him give Young Dems a few talks in 2002, and he hates Bush as much as any of us.

He just thinks corporate money is where it's at, and hell, the Internet wasn't as safe for donations when he took over as it is now.

[Carolab]

2. Absolutely. 100% correct. My take exactly.

What a bone, too. $500,000--too little, too late. My God, how much did the grassroots contribute? How much is in the DNC's kitty?

And then he has the nerve to say the election in Ohio "wasn't stolen". How in the fuck do you know, Terry? That's the POINT, you putz.

[Clark2008]

3. No. Because everything is not always about Dean.

Even though, as of late, one wouldn't know it from this board.

I'm not pro or con Dean as chair. I don't care. But I'm just tired of hearing about it. Sorry.

Seriously, I've always been an Independent until the ultra rightwing drove me over to the Democratic Party, so I don't know. But is the placement of the chair always this contentious?

Apologies for my naivete on this.

[mattclearing]

4. Never this contentious.

But then, that is the power of ABD.

There is an entrenched party establishment that is both terrified and desperately in need of Howard Dean and what he represents.

I think they deserve applause should he definitely get the office.

It shows good judgement, of the sort the Democratic Party hasn't shown since at least 2000, and moves the Party ideologically somewhere it hasn't been able to go since the seventies.

[Clark2008]

8. See, I think this is coming about because Boxer and Conyers

stood up to the neo-cons and they're still standing and, now, have a huge following. I don't think it's as a result of Dean.

But, thanks for your insight into why this is so contintious. I just never remember it being so - even just barely paying attention.

[Upfront]

7. No

No because the power never were threatened. They see Dean as a threat to take back the Democratic party and make it represent the working class as it always has until they went on the take for big money from the corporations. Things they are a changing for the good. Watch and learn. Dean will lead this party back to its roots. I am an old democrat and I am very happy today. The battle is on folks, and we will kick ass.

[dweller]

11. Iceman ...

[Pirate Smile]

9. No. This is very unusual.

[sallyseven]

12. No it was usually very matter of fact.

I think Dean will do well and if he doesn't we can can him.

[dweller]

5. "yeah, turn around Terry,

and let me catch you with this door in the ass on the way out!!"

btw, Eddie Schultz is banging the 'Go Howard' bell today on his show, he's happy as hell that he's getting the position.
dp

[Senator]

10. As I said on another thread, it means we're still setting the agenda.

The other thread was about the number of recent MediaMatters spots on neofascist whining about the stolen electiojn. This means that this is being talked about inside the beltway. Even in the face of the continued total mid-stream-media blackout.

The truth is a force of human nature. They can rage against it all they want, but they are helpless to stop it.

We have the truth. And as Gov. Dean says, we have the power.

It's just a matter of time.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi

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[mattclearing]

14. I've been meaning to respond to this. I think you are exactly right.

A lot of people gave up on the media when Election 2004 went down.

A LOT more people are getting their news from the Internet now, especially since the networks have become more shrill and uncritical.

I think the truth is something that most people are interested in, and the more people realize how much Blackwell stonewalled, the more they wonder exactly what he was hiding.

I certainly want to know. I have my suspicions, but God it would be nice to have them confirmed in the light of day.

[rainy]

13. When I met Dean and shook his hand in Va. Beach VA,

and got his autograph, I asked him about the voting machines with no paper trails. He said they are a big problem and lots of people are asking about them. This was last year before the primaries.

[mattclearing]

15. Yeah, and he mentioned it in the Post chat he did when running.

And did a huge segment on it when he hosted Tina Brown's show on CNBC. Dean is the biggest e-voting skeptic out there that I know of.

I think he is more suspicious than Conyers, but hasn't been able to say anything because he sees his chance to grab the chairmanship and start making a bigger difference.

edited for typo

[dmac]

16. That is a nice scenario and I hope if there is an element of truth

in it, that means Dean is actually the one who will be picking the committee, not Terry. Not that I dislike Terry, but since he has already stated he doesn't believe the election was stolen, I can't help but believe we are better off with someone leading the effort who at least believes in the cause. And from all I can gather about Dean, he definitely believes.