GRAPHIC: another view of exit poll vote count difference

[yurbud]

http://mysite.verizon.net/myk15/2percent.html

[ivorysteve]

1. Kick! Excellent.

Nice 3D effect!

I wonder if you could show one for the 2000 election as a comparison, too? Or earlier ones?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. Great Depiction !! Thank you for this. Did we ever resolve

what the odds were that all those states would be wrong and benefit B** ? 1 in 13.5 trillion?

[Wilms]

3. Looks like blood dripping down the face of Democracy.

Thanks for that.

We could show that to "Morans" and most would get it!

[yurbud]

5. who are morans?

[Wilms]

8. It was from a photo floating around DU, and perhaps the web...

Of a mullet-headed freeper carrying a sign that said, "Get a Brain Morans", instead of "morons".

So that's how he spent his 15 minutes of fame. :eyes:

[yurbud]

9. that's funny

[KansDem]

13. Here is the photo...

[FreedomAngel82]

14. OMG Thanks for the laughs Wilms LOL!

[JoAnnSimon]

4. A mainstream newspaper acknowledges psb. voter fraud

The Miami Herald finally put out a mainstream article citing facts/points that we blogers have been on to since Nov. 3rd.

<http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/10802297.htm?1c>

"lessons for U.S. democracy

BY LANCE DEHAVEN-SMITH

[e-mail]


Ukraine's 2004 presidential election offers important lessons for American democracy. U.S. election laws and national opinion have yet to catch up with recent developments in election technology and administration. In particular, they are blind to what the Ukraine Supreme Court referred to as ''massive fraud,'' where the integrity of an election is subverted by many small problems that are mutually reinforcing.

When the Ukraine Supreme Court invalidated Ukraine's presidential election, the Court said that a variety of flaws made it impossible for the election 'to determine the voters' will.'' Problems cited by the court included inaccurate voting lists, precinct totals that exceeded the number of registered voters, and a host of bugs in the electronic system for counting votes.

These and similar problems were equally prevalent in the U.S. presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 and probably altered the election outcome in both cases.

• In Florida and Ohio, not enough voting machines were placed in the inner cities, which resulted in long lines and multi-hour delays that inevitably discouraged Democratic turnout.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

[New Earth]

6. NOT VOTER FRAUD

IT'S ELECTION FRAUD. the election was fraudulent, not the voters, with the exception of less than a handful of cases.

[Moderator]

17. JoAnnSimon

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[skids]

7. How did you sort the states?

The chart doesn't say what order the states appear in.

[yurbud]

10. someone else did the sorting

it's an earlier post here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=294591

[dzika]

11. I agree. Attractive graphic.

We need to find more ways get the "exit poll" message to a larger group. This helps. Thanks!

[Fly by night]

12. Thanks, yurbud. This is one convincing graphic when I use it ...

... in presentations here in the Orange State and I sure appreciate your constructing it. The spikes look like blood icicles to me -- as in the blood of people who have fought and died so that everyone can participate in free and fair elections here. I set up the graph by telling people that they're about to see a "chilling" image of the election theft and they react just that way to it.

I had one graphic artist tell me, "Now, that graph is THE t-shirt for the election theft." You done good, yurbud -- thanks kindly.

[FogerRox]

15. Done good is right--good illustration--good mental picture

[Fly by night]

16. kick for the graphic worth a thousand words. n/t

[TruthIsAll]

18. GRAPH: How the deviations compare to the MOE

The Deviation/MOE ratio is overlooked, but it is very significant...

[Fly by night]

19. Yurbud did an earlier graph that showed the upper and lower MOEs.

It's also a great looking graph. I'll ask yurbud to repost that graph here also so everyone can see it.

[Fly by night]

20. yurbud, see my post #19. Re-post your earlier graph, TIA will enjoy...

... as will the others here. I mean the one where you show the upper and lower MOEs instead of the +/1 2% bar. DUers will enjoy that one also.

You do good work.

[jkd]

21. Mitofsky still needs to answer some questions

The final results of the exit polls may differ from the early results, but the MOE doesn't change. NEP publishes them. Each state has it’s own margin of error. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3735-2004Oct27.html. Scroll down the page to exit poll results by state. All of the MOE’s are between 3-6%. It might be difficult to make a coherent graph when each state has a different acceptable deviation.

More states exceed the MOE than statistically likely. Mitofsky issued a suspect report that attempted to explain the error. The consistent shift suggests a poll bias. The report really fails to explain the conclusion that the problems weren’t related to the poll itself. But, the actual deviations from the expected are not near a great as some would suggest.

[Fly by night]

23. Yurbud's earlier graph used MOEs as the visual boundaries. It is also ...

impressive and addresses your point re: variable MOEs. I hope yurbud is visiting this thread occasionally and will re-post the first graphic he posted a while back that graphed each state's MOE separately as the visual boundaries of statistical "normalcy". The deviations are still impressive and numerous.

[NationalEnquirer]

22. Nice! Easy to see the data! Even a moron can see it! n/t