The Computer Generated Self-Coup of 2004

[davidgmills]

I have had a hard time coming to grips with my conclusion that we have just experienced a bloodless self-coup.

But I am now convinced it happened.

I can not get over the exit poll / actual tabulation discrepancies.

I am firmly convinced now by UScountthevotes' article, and their response to the criticisms of it,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x318234

is that the only plausible explanation for the reason that the Democrats are not in charge of the executive is that there was an orchestrated computer generated self-coup.

I don't want to call it election fraud.

That is not sufficient.

I had to look up on Wikipedia the proper term for this kind of bloodless coup. The closest term to what I think happened is called self-coup. Self-coup encompasses the notion of retention of power by the control and illegal abuse of a vital part of the governmental process.

What would you call what happened, if not that?

[booksenkatz]

1. I personally call it a "re-coup"

Since the first coup occurred in 2000.

Whatever you call it, it's destroying us all.

Coup-coup-ca-choo.

[ottozen]

2. Treason

[peacetalksforall]

3. A nation was stolen by a few.

[bush_is_wacko]

4. Very insightful terminology, and the president thinks he has the right to

do just that in a time of war. His thinking is DELUSIONAL, of course, but nonetheless, he so self-aggrandizes his agenda that he believes in a time of war he has an obligation to protect America from it's own citizens. Kinda like Hitler! I have no doubt that what we have just experienced is exactly what you suggests it is and I have no doubt that bush and several other radical thugs will attempt to do it again by creating another "crisis" at just the right time! My guess is Iran will be the "crisis" they create, but it could be any number of other "radical" nations.

Everyone talks about Jeb Bush, but the real scary thought is Cheney. I have ALWAYS believed that. His leering display at the State of the Union speech gave me the creeps. And the Hail Bushitler look of those idiots that chose to point their purple fingers in his direction scared the hell out of me.

I cannot believe Americans can not see what is staring them in the face. But most of all, I cannot believe Americans are going to sit back and allow what happened on Nov. 2 to stand without investigation. 200 years ago two questionable elections and a presidents clear desire to change the constitution for the benefit of the elite members of society would have in-sighted civil war!

[BeFree]

5. It is called, very simply...

... "Pulling the wool over their eyes"

The election was STOLEN.

The computer experts warned us, the more reasonable amongst us warned us, the leery, the wise, the educated and informed warned us. And we went ahead and let the wool be lowered.

Get over it, and get to fighting.

[bush_is_wacko]

7. I am fighting like hell. I am just looking for all the ammunition I can

get a hold of. It would be nice to be able to show the sheeple how and what was done to them. I really want the computers examined and the method made public. Is that wishful thinking? I have relatives that have created some technically amazing computer programs and I really don't understand why some of these super techno genius's can't get at those computers and figure the method out. This is really what it will take to convince some of the pea brains out there, IMHO.

[BeFree]

10. I know you are fighting

Don't take it personally, that "get fighting" term, it was meant for the general audience.

In time, if we ALL keep pressing, the secret code will be revealed. One problem we have is that we are so scattered with our formal demands that those in power tend to get away with their calling us "conspiricists".

I don't pretend to know the answer to that equation: I have been hoping someone here could come up with the answer. Alas, not yet.

The only thing I can come up with is a simple and clear message: Paper Ballots, hand counted", and even so, there is organized opposition to that action.

So, we continue to thrash about, conjuring up this and that, whilst doing nothing but pissing in the wind. We have 12 months to correct the fuck-up, we better get our shit together, now, eh?

[bush_is_wacko]

14. Yes, it is time to get our shit together. Anyone know how to write up

a bill proposal regarding paper ballots. I have had it up to here with what I am seeing proposed by our "leaders!" I NEVER want to vote on a computer again and, quite frankly, understand that "hand-counting" is not really possible but "mechanical" versus "computerized" counting is quite possible and there are far more "average Joe's" that would be quite capable of monitoring 'mechanical" machine calibrations. The local mechanic can monitor a machine calibration, but it takes tandem computer programmers (which I understand are very rare) to monitor these GD computers, and even they can't insure the process was completely legitimate!

NO MORE COMPUTERIZED ELECTIONS PERIOD! That is THE most important issue to start off with and NO ONE is attempting to legislate it!

[BeFree]

16. Our Leaders, indeed

Even some "Leaders" here on DU don't get it. They cry and cry that we need machines to count the votes, when, above all, they should know that is the road to hell. And here we are.

Let us focus on 2006. We have 12 months to get it right. In other words, the system to vote will have to be set-up by then, and if it isn't all paper, we will lose again.

The 2006 elections are going to be the turning point if we make it so. After that election we will have another 12 months to refine the process further, with the possibility that some kind of open and secure Optical Scan system would suffice, but for the next election it needs to be Paper ballots, hand counted.

2006 Elections: Unplugged.

[bush_is_wacko]

20. So you think this country will accept ONE hand-counted election

knowing that it could take months to find the clear winner as long as they know that the counting process will be reformed by the next election?

Interesting, I wonder if this issue could be legitimately polled.

I would certainly be willing to wait a little longer as long as I knew reforms were in the works regarding the counting process, but I really don't think we need wait. There are already "mechanical" machines that can be monitored by individuals not connected to the current fraudulent system. I suppose it would be better if a system specific to elections was created, but that leaves it open to the same sort of issues as BBV and I'm not convinced Opti-scan, being computerized is the answer. Old fashion "mechanical" machines are being used in election processes around the world. There is no fool proof system, but there are less fraud prone systems than computers.

What suggestions do you have? I know I am rambling, but it helps me come to grips with all the possibilities...

[ocean girl]

6. I completely agree with you - furthermore

I woke this morning and started thinking (again!) about the obviously stolen election and got mad all over again. I've had to stay away from politics for a while because I just can't deal with the insanity, but I still wonder ...

Why did all the people - Kerry, Michael Moore, BBV, MoveOn, etc. - just collapse on November 3rd? I thought everyone was going to fight, but where the hell are they? I'm especially confused by Michael Moore - he said he had cameras all over the country and would document voter fraud. Where is the film? Has he made any statement about this?

Is the Bush regime really the mafia? Do they shut people up with threats against them or their families?

I feel totally abandoned by the people that I thought were warriors and I've lost hope that change can happen, short of a real revolution. Unfortunately, people are too busy with their flat-screen TVs to care.

Saturday morning pessimism, I guess (rough week in the corporate world)!

[roseBudd]

9. The problem is we can't prove it because the evidence that would

need to be examined is unavailable to us. We can't just break into BoEs and steal the voting and tabulation equipment. We can't order phone records or demand to see financual records.

[BeFree]

11. Yes, b*** is the mafia

Yes, they do threaten people. Does Anthrax ring a bell? Gitmo? Shock and Awe? Wellstone, MLK, and all the rest?

Be afraid, be very afraid. But realize they can't get to all of us. Realize that only if we stick together we can get rid of b***co and take back our country.

Being able to have our votes counted the way we cast them is the first step, and one we've sliiped off of the last three elections by virtue of the e-voting.

Simply put, we must get rid of the e-voting within the next 12 months or we will forever more be divided.

[ocean girl]

15. Yes, I remember the Anthrax

I lost a friend to it. I worked in a building that was anthraxed. Maybe that was the end of hope for me.

[BeFree]

17. Lost hope?

Well, that's exactly what they wanted... yall to lose hope. Don't let them have that victory. Keep hope alive!

We can do this. We have to. The first step is to get our elections squared away; back to being as open and honest as possible.

[ocean girl]

18. You're right

I will still fight - today I am weary - but tomorrow - I WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

Thanks, y'all.

[BeFree]

19. Yes, rest up

And get ready for a fight. Soon enough we shall get our shit together and be united in action.

Once united we shall be unstoppable as we tear back the cover on the secret government which arches over our future, exposing the horrendous fraud and criminality.

When that cover is torn back, be prepared for all the sheeple who will be frightened by the light. Yea, our brothers and sisters will be frightened by the teeth of those wolves feeding on our flanks.

[roseBudd]

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[BeFree]

12. That's all fine and dandy

But it's a shotgun approach when what we need is a sharpshooter mentality.

We need to pick one item, and like a magnifying glass, focus our energy on it until it catches fire. We did it on Jan. 6, and on that day a small fire burned in the halls of congress.

What is the best thing for starting our fire? Paper.

[Stevepol]

13. The voting machines did it, spreading out the fraud over the states.

They are rigged to give a percentage gain to the Repubs in all elections except maybe those where the Repub win is assured. In KS, e.g., where the result is certainly going to be Repub no matter what, there was actually a slight shift to Kerry from the exit polls to the actual vote tallies. But if there were any contest here, the ES&S scanners (which count most of the votes in the state) and the Diebold touchscreens (which count Johnson County, the Kansis City, KS venue) you can bet would be adjusted to make the Repub win a certainty.

Why else would anybody who believes in democracy NOT want a paper trail or audits for every election? Putting printers on touchscreens would even add to the bottom line for Diebold, et al., all the coimpanies making the machines that gave Bush the election and will give the Repub candidate every election from now on if fair and transparent vote counting procedures aren't adopted.

[corbett]

21. One Nation, Under Fraud

[davidgmills]

22. On further consideration

I'm not sure that the term self-coup is correct either.

Going back to Wickipedia and reading it's discussion section of the word, one commentator says that coup has never been associated with the take over of power by election rigging.

People on another DU board have suggested the words fraud or theft, but as a lawyer, I don't like them. These terms suggest that this is a problem for the courts to deal with and that they are capable of doing so.

I don't believe that systemic computer generated election rigging is a thing that the courts are capable of handling, at least not in the US with it's electoral college.

All challenges here must be made on a state by state basis, not on a national one.

So I still prefer the word coup, because it is extra-legal, which is waht coup implies. If self-coup is not correct in this instance, then maybe we need to make up a new term for this situation.

Instead of military coup (which is outside of the court's ability to rectify) how about election coup?

Thoughts?