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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:39 PM Original message |
Time we really cleaned house. Who is responsible for the loss of Shelley |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. can you explain why |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I haven't seen evidence |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. but I haven't claimed to have seen any |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. So, you claim to have seen no evidence? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. LOL |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. lol. The allegations sort of self destruct like soap bubbles |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
75. he deserves a medal n/t |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Ok, you don't know what you are talking about |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Ouch. Let's remember, we're talking to friends here shall we? nt |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Well that's an odd conclusion |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. See post #48 for history on Shelley and Diebold! |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. I'm quite familiar with the history |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. How about looking at the specifics of the claims. |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Shelley is responsible for Shelley |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Ummm.... |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Um... |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. He did very little to betray the public trust. Have you investigated, |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
48. Here is some history on Shelley and Diebold: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Not true. If I had enough money and media, I could accuse you |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. democracyindanger... |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. Boy, you certainly nailed me. |
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NationalEnquirer (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I dont know what happened really, but this much is true.. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
71. Since when does breaking the law have anything to do with anything these |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
79. What law did he break? How many laws has Schwarzenegger broken? |
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MelissaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Andy, please tell us what you know about this. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. See post #48 for history on Shelley and Diebold. Follow the money. |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. Last summer, Kevin Shelly invited BBV down to Sacramento. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Does he really know you have his back? Maybe everyone needs to |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Maybe he isn't... |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Yes, he made some bad decisions, but not as bad as the charges warrant. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Shelley hasn't been convincted of anything and he never will be. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. It was a RW smear, just like they did to Rose Bird. Goodbye fair elections |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. I remember the recall... that house cleaning got us Arnold. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That's why we can't underestimate the enemy. I'm talking about |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. got you, the Bustamante "dissent" vote sealed the recall failure. I agree |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. Pinto, could you say more about redistricting? n/t |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
77. yeah. redistricting has already happened. My state house district |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
18. Two names that really stick in my craw |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Conny MCormick is one of the most crooked figures in the state. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Do you have a link? Playing catch up. n/t |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Check out the Democrats.com discussion groups. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Thanks. Will do. n/t |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. ooooo Kern county |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You got that right! |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. Is everyone clear that Torres and Bustamonte are responsible for Arnold. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Yup. Got it. And, you can't rule out machine fraud either. |
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umtalal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. what are you talking about? We knew to vote no for the recall. period. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Actually, there were polls of the Bustamonte supporters and |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Geez, we just haven't been paying enough attention to local |
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umtalal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Another Nader Syndrome!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. The SF Chronicle has been on a MISSION to take him down. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. sfexpat2000, by "him," you mean Shelley, right? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Yes! And I don't say this lightly. |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. North Bay Area here... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I don't know. All I know is, there was a brick wall there. |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. No, frankly, I don't read it! Just an online article here & there. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. the Chron has archives, |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. "looks like a hired hit." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Okay, Mister I know so much, lol, help me follow the money. :) |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I am searching for Conny's |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Hmmmm |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Thanks, Andy. I know how this will turn out, but am curious about |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. That I am not sure about |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. It's been a team. Sneakers. nt |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Another big source of kicking off "Shelleygate" as they like to call it |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
38. SO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? Right now there are about ten threads |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. CAN WE ALL MOVE OVER TO Amaryllis THREAD PLEASE? |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Here is link for my thread: |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. PLEASE POST HERE: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'm getting an error message for that link? |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Try again: |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Getting error message on link! |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. here: |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-06-05 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
64. Anyone that needs more evidence of what we are dealing with NATIONWIDE |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 03:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. This is so right. First they came for the college teachers. nt |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 11:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. To condemn whom? Essay who wrote? Link? More specifics, please? Not clear. |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
68. Nunez says replace Shelley with a Pro -- LA Times |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
73. LETTER OF THE WEEK #4: Kevin Shelley, Diebold & Election Fraud |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-07-05 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
76. Save CA campaign: New group working on this issue: |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
80. Top Dem suggests Shelley should quit |
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dandrhesse (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
81. one more reason to start the massive campaign |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
82. Genius, if this is true, certainly more Californians should know it. |
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