Guess: How many Dem. Congressman are fairly sure Bush stole '04 election?

[lostnfound]

Poll question: Guess: How many Dem. Congressman are fairly sure Bush stole '04 election?

Among Democratic Congresspeople, how many do you think are secretly convinced, or at least 'fairly sure', that Bush stole '04 election?

"Fairly sure" means that there is little doubt in their own minds about it.

Also, discuss: do you think it's different among Senators? And what are the implications of YOUR answer, if you are right?

[intheflow]

1. Ever the optimist, I'm guessing 15-32%.

Sure it sounds low. But I said I was an optimist, not delusional.

On edit: Is this poll based on anything, or is this a hypothetical question. Is there actually a "right" answer based on a source? Just curious.

[juajen]

2. I believe it is different with Senators, but not because they don't

believe it was stolen, just that some of them find it politically hard to make a stand, more's the pity.

Edited to add: I'm a dummy. I voted for 75% of the House knowing it was stolen.

[Syncronaut Seven]

3. If more did believe

they certainly missed their opportunity to say so, didn't they.

Implications? Gonna hurt the party, BAD.

[KaliTracy]

4. can't really answer this. I think that many of our congresspeople want

to believe that nothing happened to the tune of "Bush Stole the '04 election." I think many of them do believe that things weren't right in many states, including Ohio - and that if it weren't for US telling them about it, they probably never would have thought twice about the election results. But I doubt any of them would go so far to say that the head of the Administration (or anyone in the Administration) had anything to do with it.

We want to believe in our system of Government, which is why it is so hard for us to tell those who have no clue about what happened on election day about "election fraud" "e-voting manipulation" "tabulator manipulation" "Under funded candidates receiving more votes than Presidential Candidate" "Voter Suppression" "Voter Disenfranchisement" etc. Those who are IN Government, also want to believe in the system, after all they are part of the system. Yes, strong people stood up to make their voice heard about Ohio -- but immediately the smear began. But unless a HUGE smoking gun is found, we won't get total buy-in. So... who's good at looking for gun powder residue?


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[Peace Patriot]

10. Start with how the Exit Polls on everybody's TV screens on 11/2 were...

...ALTERED--"adjusted" to fit the "official results." Kerry won the Exit Polls by a good margin (3%), but Americans were denied that information--unlike in the Ukraine, where people could see the two conflicting figures--the Exit Polls vs. the "official results"--and knew something was very wrong, and revolted. The Exit Poll alteration is well documented. It is a fact.

Then tell them where the "official results" came from--central electronic vote tabulators controlled with SECRET, proprietary programming code, owned by BushCon companies--all documented.

Information--data--that we should have had was denied to us, was changed--preventing any outcry or revolt. Exit Polls are used worldwide to verify elections and check for fraud. Why not here?

Then tell them that a group of NINE PH.D.'S and other statistical experts just issued a report calling the Bush win into serious doubt, and calling for an investigation into the election. And this is just one of many reports, saying the same thing.

Then tell them that the Democrats won the voter registration drive nationwide by 57% to 41%--a fantastic margin, given BushCon money and vote suppression. Who did all those new Democratic voters vote for? (--all documented--in Dr. Steven Freeman's second report on the election).

I find these facts are effective--especially the story about the Exit Polls being suppressed. It explains why no one PERCEIVED that Kerry won--and how all the overwhelming evidence that he did win--the polls, the newspaper editorials, the size and enthusiasm of Kerry rallies, the many thousands of election volunteers, and what everybody knew deep down, what we knew among our friends and acquaintances--all those Republican uncles and grandpas and neighbors and co-workers turning against Bush--got washed away by that GRAND DELUSION that Bush won.

The truth is he couldn't have won. The numbers just don't add up. But the TV said he did!

People understand that. They know, deep down, how they are often manipulated.

[L. Coyote]

5. This should be a dual poll, asking how many Repugs think so also!

[FreepFryer]

6. They all know. We all know. They're just not sacrificing themselves.

To come out and make such a case would be a monumental and devastating event to any politician's career, putting them directly in the crosshairs.

This is not to say it isn't necessary, however.

[marions ghost]

8. I have to agree...

seems that most of them are too smart and politically savvy NOT to know there were big problems and things don't add up. But like a lot of people they don't want to be the ones to fix it. Let somebody else wade into that taboo area. The ones who actually do something are heroes. We the voters have to keep pushing the legislators.

[KingoftheJungle]

7. I think most elected officials are oblivious to the times

That's why they are always ten steps behind the real world. Unless they are republican fellowship members, in which case they are even further behind the times but they have control over anything so they manipulate the world to regress back to their time (which I have pegged at no later than 1910).

[garybeck]

9. if you listen to what they say, they don't know

so they're either stupid or they're liars.