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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:12 PM
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The Prez’s Mental Problems: Does it Matter?
<snip> http://ratfuckdiary.blogspot.com/2005/02/prezs-mental-problems-does-it-matter.html
I have been harping on the fact that the Prez has slipped a cog and that his impairment has been going on for awhile now.

On February 4th, the White House posted a transcript of remarks President Bush made in a “press event” at the Tampa FL Convention Center. Present were members of the Amen corner (AFL-CIO, ACORN, AFSCME, etc.).

The Prez answered questions and explained his plans for Social Security. Why the White House published this transcript is beyond me. The President hadn’t the foggiest notion what he was talking about. He wasn’t making sense and he knew he wasn’t making sense.

The Following is one segment of his conversation with the folks in Tampa. A woman asked about the cost of the transition to SS. private accounts. -- The Prez said, “It's estimated about $600 billion over a 10-year period of time to get the personal accounts started on the -- the way we've suggested they grow. It's a good question.”



The woman persisted and said she couldn’t understand how the new plan was going to fix the problem. Bush answered, “Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered".

"And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised. "Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices".

"Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red. Okay, better?
I'll keep working on it.”

And my question is: Does it matter that the President’s brain is not functioning? Since he isn’t the one making the policies or even the tiniest of decisions--all the heavy thinking and deciding is done by Rove/Cheney/Wolfowitz.

Does it matter that Bush’s brain is impaired? Does it even matter why his brain is impaired? Interestingly, one of the readers of Ratfuck Diary said that an article ran in Atlanta just before the debates that claimed the Prez had all the signs of early Alzheimer’s. Others, including me, think he’s had a stroke.

We’re not talking about dyslexia, which the Bush apologists say he is afflicted with. People with dyslexia can think and reason just fine. They have difficulty with the written word not with lucidity and understanding. Does it matter that when George Bush meets with leaders of other countries he can’t put together a simple cogent sentence on his own?

Does it matter that he can’t understand the policies he is advancing? Does it matter that he makes jokes and smirks to cover up his thinking difficulties? Yes. It matters because his mental problems are not improving.

Being wired to brains that actually function didn’t help him during the debates. His meds aren’t giving him the boost in mental acuity he needs--they may even be the reason he’s begun to slur words on occasion. And the solution is what? In the end, it’s up to the Republicans to take care of their biggest problem--George W. Bush. And they will. The GOP is venal, corrupt, mendacious, grasping and arrogant. But merciful it isn’t.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:21 PM
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1. Until David Gregory Reports on the Incoherence,
it didn't happen.

:beer:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:30 PM
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3. shaking head...
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 12:31 PM by flyarm
ready to scream...
when kids call the president a dope...you know this country is headed in the wrong direction , and yet the media hides as much as they can, and people make up any excuse they can for him...

a friend of mine came over last week and her 6 year old saw * on the tv and blurted out..

mom, the dope is on t.v.!!!

ahhhhh the innocence and honesty of children!!

fly:bounce: :think: :hi:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:20 PM
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5. Bush stinks
don't put him in the White House.Title of a song my 11 year old and 2 of his friends made up,While messing with there guitars. Yes innocence and honesty.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:37 PM
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15. I said something about * the other day
and my 5yo said "we're stuck with him for another 4 years". Hmmmmm, wonder where he heard something like that .... ;)
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:34 PM
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12. I have no doubt.
This guy has mental problems, and is probably on some kind of meds, which arent working too well.
That first debate was simply GHASTLY..
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:24 PM
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2. More Articles on Bush's Mental Problems and Brain Degeneration
Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml

excerpt...

President George W. Bush is taking anti-depressant drugs to control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue has learned.

The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White House physician, can impair the President’s mental faculties and decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to a crisis, administration aides admit privately.

“It’s a double-edged sword,” says one aide. “We can’t have him flying off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President who is alert mentally.”

Tubb prescribed the anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July 8, refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay. “Keep those motherfuckers away from me,” he screamed at an aide backstage. “If you can’t, I’ll find someone who can.”

full article at above link

****

More resources on this very disturbed, very sick, post-substance abuse brain-damaged, early-onset senile dementia suffering wreck of a human being, George W. Bush:

Prominent DC Shrink Diagnoses Bush to be a Paranoid, Sadistic Megalomaniac
http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/kinggeorge.htm

Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/kinggeorge.htm

The Madness of George W. Bush - A reflection of our collective psychosis: Bush’s sickness is our own
http://www.yuricareport.com/Bush%27sBody/TheMadnessOfGeorgeWBush.html



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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:32 PM
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9. Nao> Bush: "Keep those MF'ers away from me" ...
We have a President who is obviously mentally challendeged and almost half of the country believe's that he's just a good ole boy from Texas with an MBA also graduating from Harvard?

Today it's being reported that the Medicare plan Bush past is almost twice the original cost he first told the American people.

Bush originally quoted as stating the cost would be $400 Billion and todays news says the true figure is $720 Billion...almost twice what he first claimed.

Deepthroat, Bush's father is ailing and isn't expected to live out jr's 4 years, I think this will further deminish jr's mental condition.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:59 PM
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24. The Medicare plan
Is at least twice the cost...and does about 1/4 of the good promised. The elderly would be much better off if they had just used the vast numbers of recipients to negotiate lower prices, like insurance companies do or the feds do for Medicaid and VA. It would cost the tax payers nothing.

Still I don't think Bush comes up with these plans, but his impaired condition might make him accept stupid plans more.

And what excuses the congress who votes for the plans?
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 12:35 PM
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4. I often wonder how long they will be able to keep him under control.
I am not a mental health expert, but he is imo mentally ill. It's all very well for him, at this point in time, to feel no remorse for what his administration is doing--he seems to keep moving forward--(like a shark)-- but I have the feeling that his attitudes and actions are so anti social, to say the least, that he is going to go down. It seems inevitable. A person cannot be this evil without being mentally ill, and everything a person believes/feels/acts upon affects one's whole being. Just a thought.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:20 PM
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6. W. has always been 5 bottles short of a 6 pack. I suspect that he
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:22 PM by McCamy Taylor
had mild intrauterine growth retardation or some problem with his birth and that this is why he is the "short, slow" one of a family of "tall, bright" sibs.

His behavior, his speech habits----none of that has changed since his days as Texas governor. What people in the rest of the US didn't bother to find out was that the job of Texas governor is basically a figure head one. All the real work is done by the Lt. Governor. We actually had a demented Gov. named Bill Clements for a while who had stroked himself out. No one noticed. A pleasant dim wit like * was perfect for the Governor job which mostly involved holding parties with Mexican diplomats and cutting deals with big business interests .

Unfortunately, people outside Texas looked at this great big state and said "Wow, * must be pretty sharp to run a state that big. I guess he can run a whole country." LOL. So much for assumptions. They should have remembered that the price of Democracy is eternal vigilance and done their homework.

I did my duty. I tried to tell people on the internet that W. wasnt smart enough to be a president. Other people in Texas said the same thing, but people outside Texas wouldnt listen...
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:45 PM
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7. Thank you for trying McCamy
I have noticed a lot of TX folks here at DU....and people like Karl Shultz have clearly been trying for years to let us know.

It is quite shocking to me to think that the avg sheeple can't see it.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:57 PM
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17. Have you ever heard of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome? I'm a social
worker who has seen a lot of FAS and FA effected infants where the baby literally swam in alcohol for 9 months. Watching these FAS children grow up, their brain development very much manifests like *'s language and speech deficits. Could it be Babs' had one too many high balls during *'s gestation? It also results in a very high proclivity to alcoholism in the FAS offspring. Just a theory.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 07:44 PM
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21. He doesn't have the classic presentation of FAS
He has many more of the symptoms related to alcoholism.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:57 PM
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8. In past administrations, presidents were encouraged to...
...use news conferences to explain complex matters to Americans so that they could have better understanding.

In aWol's case, the reverse happens.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:56 PM
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11. It's not * -- it's his handlers who are the evil doers (IMNSHO)
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 03:00 PM by JoMama49
Remember Reagan's last few months? He was either asleep at meetings or pre-senile in his press conferences. The corporatocracy sees this as a good thing, because then they have a straw man out in front who they can manipulate into doing and saying anything they want. They don't care if he embarrasses himself or us, the people, just as long as he doesn't get so bad as to out them!

I believe the Shrub is getting close to this, though, i.e., his answers to that woman about SS! That must have scared the bejessus out of Card & Rove! They don't usually allow him to get into a forum like that: Q&A's from the public -- press conferences they can control, speeches he can read, but no ad libbing or responding to questions, especially from an ever increasingly doubting public who may probe for the details.

Even AOL this morning has a clip of *isms on their front page. If you haven't seen it, it's a hoot to watch (scary too, and very telling). It's called "hilarious goofs" ....

http://tv.channel.aol.com/franchise/top5.adp
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:41 PM
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10. Ever notice that when Bush gives speeches they're always...
mid-day so the population can't see it in it's entirety, and after they edit what was said out of a 30-45 minute speech? -- we end up getting 10-20 seconds out of the entire speech on the "evening news"

Got to hand it to Rove, surely out of 30-40 minutes they're bound to be able to edit/get 10-20 seconds of what could pass as plausible.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:23 PM
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13. Does it matter? Good question.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 04:27 PM by Bill Bored
If Shrub were a Starship Capt., he'd have been relieved of his command by Dr. McCoy or his equivalent long ago. But then, if you work hard enough, it seems that everyone gets to be a Starship Capt. eventually too so that's an ideal world. Ours is not!

Does it matter? Well, if he literally has his finger on the button, it damn well matters!

If planes are heading for some buildings in NYC or DC, it matters too.

If he was supposed to read a briefing on Aug 6, 2001 (for the President's eyes only!) about airplane hijackings that said the hijackers might want to follow the example of the first WTC bombing, and that Al Qaida were casing buildings in lower Manhattan, then it also matters.

But he was given a pass on all this stuff, even by the Democrats, which for the life of me, I can't understand.

On the other hand, if someone else such as Cheney is pulling his strings, it wouldn't matter a damn, would it?

I guess it all boils down to who's really running the show.

When I saw Cheney debate Edwards, even though I was reviled by the man, I remember thinking that at least there's someone with some basic mental competency there. Someone with intact mental faculties who could defend the nation in a real crisis. But of course, Cheney's questionable/evil intent is a big problem! He'd probably only defend those who would vote for him, or who could make him some money -- Red-staters perhaps. The rest of us are expendable.

It's also been suggested that Shrub has Graves disease, which is thyroid-related. Not good either. But if he's not really in charge, it doesn't matter does it?

Who would replace Shrub? Cheney? And Dennis Hastert as VP? Or could Cheney pick Rummy, from whom he stole the VP office to begin with? I don't think this would be much of an improvement.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:49 PM
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14. Could be ADD
Sometimes people who have ADD, who can reason and think and everything else, and may even be extremely intelligent, when put on the spot or in the spotlight cannot form a coherent sentence, not for nothing, no way, no-how. The more important it is, the less likely they are able to do it. Unfortunately, I know far too much about this phenomenon.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:45 PM
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16. Thats not just rambling
Well it is rambling, but look where he pauses and interjects things. It is when he talks (or tries to talk) about changing the way benifits are calculated. He is just trying to not outright say, we are fucking you over, and it is hard to beat around the bush (pun intended)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 07:12 PM
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18. No wonder he needed the "backpack" for the debates.
Don't worry. The covered-up Reagans's mental problems for 8 years, and look how well that administration turned out (ya right)!!

And Nixon's ranting alcoholic binges and "F**k the Jews" attitude were no problem at all. Just look at how well that adminsitration turned out.

Shrubya knows he's God's special crusader, so he doesn't have to talk right.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 07:41 PM
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20. Bush, God's special crusader? --
Bush? -- Rove's sick lil puppy!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 07:39 PM
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19. "The Prez’s Mental Problems: Does it Matter?"
I wonder what Bush's mental state will be when Sr. Bush drops dead?

I wonder about what his challendeged mental state of mind will be at that point as Bush Sr. doesn't appear as though he'll make it thru jr's 4 years.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:32 PM
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23. Why do you say that? Is he ill?
I have seen a couple people mention this, but I haven't read anything anywhere. Is there an article somewhere about this?
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:28 PM
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22. You know for a while I thought it was ME!
I just can NEVER follow him, but I ACTUALLY do occasionally have bouts of thyroid storm that cause reasoning difficulties. Since I stopped listening to bush and started listening to everybody BUT bush, I can honestly say I have not experienced a problem with reasoning.
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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:56 PM
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25. I also have heard **sh may have Graves disease which may explain
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 10:59 PM by blue4barb
some of his behaviors. I think mommie dearest also has Graves disease. Honestly, I think he has a lot wrong with him and it's kind of interesting to psychoanalyze such a warped person.
Even a layman like me can find tons of possible personality/physical disorders with him.

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seaclyr Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:19 PM
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28. I believe his father was diagnosed with Grave's disease
and I too have heard the suggestion that GW may have it.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:21 PM
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30. Both of his parents have Graves disease.
I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. It usually manifests in the exact opposite of Graves, but it has a weird way of going high or low at the most odd moments. I have had it for so long I can now recognize mental symptoms before the damned test can confirm a problem. I actually have to wait for a while and keep telling myself I may be feeling shitty, but my doctors will just tell me it's nothing unless I wait a few weeks. It sucks to have this crap but I can't imagine letting it go completely untreated. Fuzzy math, and logic are the first symptoms I recognize, but I actually have to wait until I have muscle aches and other issues for the test to show my doctors I haven't lost my mind!
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seaclyr Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:11 PM
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26. I would say ADD plus a personality disorder plus...
ADD for sure. I believe his brother Neil has ADD and the family contributes to ADD causes.
A personality disorder very likely, probably narcissistic personality disorder or a mixed personality disorder. Some of the features of narcissistic personality disorder may overlap with the ADD - for example people with ADD often hate to be questioned, in the same way a narcissist does.
What about the religious stuff, is that a symptom of something? Very likely narcissism again. Perhaps the author Martin Amis had it about right when he concluded that Saddam (not religious, or at least not very) was likely to be saner than George W. Oh well.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:16 PM
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27. This really happened...
...while I was watching the inauguration. I dosed off & dreamed that Bush was riding in a short yellow school bus (you know -- the kind employed by special needs schools). He was sitting in the middle of the bus on the right hand side (go figure) looking out the window, while the bus was going uphill.

I didn't get a glimpse of the driver, but it's no surprise that Bush was a passanger.
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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:31 PM
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29. I would tend to call any dream with **sh a nightmare.
Lots of symbolism in your dream. Too bad his special needs are to the detriment of the whole world.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:24 PM
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31. Dyslexai is nto a mnetla disordre, it just means he can't read.
:-)
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