(Reuters) Election a Win for Conservative Ideas - Rove

[Up2Late]

Thu Feb 17, 2005 06:02 PM ET

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Karl Rove, the adviser President Bush called "the architect" of the 2004 Republican election win, said on Thursday the November victory was a triumph of conservative ideas and proof the movement had become the dominant force in American politics.

"We are the party and the movement of ideas," Rove, the White House political adviser who was recently named deputy chief of staff, told a celebratory conference of conservative activists meeting at a downtown building named for Ronald Reagan, the former president and conservative hero.

"Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America," Rove said. "Our movement has gone from a small, principled opposition to a broad and inclusive movement that is self-assured, confident, optimistic, forward thinking and ... dominant in American politics today."

Bush gained 51 percent of the vote to beat Democratic challenger John Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, and win a second White House term in November. Republicans also gained seats in both chambers of Congress to solidify their control of U.S. government.
(more at link)
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7666946&src=rss/politicsNews>

(do I need to say how much I hate KKKarl?):mad:

[necso]

1. "a triumph of (using) conservative ideas (as a smokescreen)" /nt

[garybeck]

2. no offense but this article is MSM propoganda we can get anywhere

no offense, but I turned off the TV and stopped reading the newspapers and came to DU so I don't have to read lies and propoganda like that article. the MSM is filled with that stuff!!!

the only purpose of that article being here is to further enrage us!



gary

:grr:

[Up2Late]

4. Sorry, but I'm a strong believer in "Know your enemy"

How can you fight an enemy, if you don't know what he (they) are up to?:smoke:

[garybeck]

5. OK, I'll tell you what they're up to

they lie
they kill
they steal

the "conservative movement" discussed in that article is a LIE. it does not exist. the real movement in this country is the people that voted against, and beat, an incumbent president during wartime.

there is no conservative movement that is taking over america. it's a lie. just like the election results.

peace
gary

[Up2Late]

6. Just so you know, I include the MSM as one of the enemies

I think our last, best hope, is to keep hounding the MSM, or at least those who haven't quite gone, totally, to the dark side yet.

NPR is starting to slip, but they are much more responsive to angry e-mail than most.:hippie:

[fooj]

3. Rove is a bully and a coward.

We'll see how "The Movement" and their "Conservative ideals" get a hoot and holler over the Mangate Scandal when it breaks loose! Looks like they are calling Ms. Condiliar in for questioning again! So much for the restoration of honor and dignity in the WH! Shameless hypocrites!

[sandnsea]

7. Election a win for lies and deceit

That sort of got lost in the election post-mortem too.

[Up2Late]

9. I think that was part of their strategy, if you don't like where...

...the conversation is going, change the subject- i.e. The big, full out push to change Social Security:mad:

[fasttense]

8. They are the party of cheaters.

The movement of ideas you see are how to cheat, lie and manipulate. They have a never ending party of scoundrels. They've gone from minor manipulation of supremes to major manipulation, lying and cheating.

[minorjive]

10. you might enjoy what Conyers said about this

on his blog

2/18/2005 1:20pm

Smart and Smarty-pants

Politics is often long on grandstanding and short on dignity, but two recent events stand out even against the usual Washington ostentation.

Yesterday afternoon, White House strategist Karl Rove pronounced conservatism the "dominant political creed in America." Rove told his supporters at the Conservative Political Action Conference, "the next time one of your smarty-pants liberal friends says to you, 'Well, he didn’t have a mandate,' you tell him of this delicious fact: This president got a higher percentage of the vote than any Democratic candidate for president since 1964." (For more on Rove’s new role in the White House, see Dan Froomkin's column here).

For the moment, let us set aside the "delicious" fact that more citizens voted in opposition to president Bush than against any sitting president in history. What strikes me as a peculiar conceit has less to do with polling, and more to do with the way we choose to govern. Karl Rove, who presumes to set policy with a mandate from the people, also presumes to call at least half of the people "smarty-pants."

On the other side of the nation, in a debate with newly elected DNC Chairman Howard Dean, former Pentagon advisor Richard Perle opened his comments by observing that Democrats "looked at the Democratic Party and chose a physician to lead them." Flippancy was the last thing I expected from the architect of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. This is a man who argued in September 2003 that, within one year, there would be "a grand square in Baghdad named for President Bush." He is not somebody who ought to be making jokes about the viability of party policies. (Our friends at The Raw Story have more comprehensive coverage of the debate here).

There is a difference between partisan pride and outright arrogance, between simply taking office and governing once you get there. The Republican leadership appears to have chosen their own self-worth over civil discourse. We can, and should, do better.

The wrong reaction is to loose our cool. The Pacific University protester who threw a shoe at Richard Perle made his point very clear--and gave our detractors just the excuse they need not to listen to reason.

The right reaction came minutes later. When Perle told the audience that he would "be surprised, yet again, if we do not see a square in Baghdad named after this president," Chairman Dean responded with a message that was simple, forceful, and clear: "Defense is a lot broader than swaggering around saying you're going to kick Saddam's butt."

The contrast between Chairman Dean and the Republican leadership could not have been more plain. We have to choose between principle and presumption, between character and conceit, between smart and, well, smarty-pants.

--J.C.

[Trish1168]

11. Mr. Conyers, if you read DU

I am a fan!! Thanks for standing up for what is right!!

[rumpel]

12. Mr. Conyers rocks

:yourock:

[rumpel]

13. It is not the ideas that won, it is the PR pitch of rove. He is a good

marketer..
the only problem: they're dirty and use outright lies to sell thier product.
Just as they say, if people knew what is happening in the kitchen.....rats

rove's propagandist training school
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/01ABOUTUS/01History.htm

this is from a Gannon related article
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001437.html

More interesting is that he and Karl Rove seem to share a mentor -- a largely under-the-radar wingnut named Morton Blackwell. It seems that "Jeff" also is a graduate of the the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of Journalism -- a conservative propagandist training school that was founded and is run by Blackwell and that operates on an $8 million annual budget which comes from God knows where.


Remember the lame stunt during the Republican National Convention in NYC where many delegates taunted war hero Kerry by wearing purple band-aids that said: “It was just a self-inflicted scratch, but you see I got a Purple Heart for it”? It was Blackwell, a GOP delegate from Virginia, who handed the band-aids out to the conventioneers.


Less well known is that Blackwell -- who was the youngest Barry Goldwater delegate in 1964 -- is also a former national executive director of the College Republicans, who had trained the teen-age Karl Rove to be a “field organizer.” According to a May 2003 New Yorker article, it was Blackwell who urged Rove to shun the growing reliance on pollsters and media consultants and go back to the grassroots. We all know how that turned out.


We'd never heard until tonight of the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of Journalism, which apparently trains hundreds of "Jeff Gannons" every year. They were hiding in plain sight.