H F Ahmanson the money man for Todd And Bob

[FogerRox]

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http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_AHMANSON_HOWARD_F

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. What does this post mean?

[Amaryllis]

2. Who are Todd and Bob?

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. Bob and Todd Urosevitch...

I imagine.

[Maat]

4. I know Ahmanson is notorious around here in SoCal for ..

funding Issa, who, in turn, funded the Gov. Davis recall (we were then saddled with the Governator, Karl Rove's friend).

But why are Bob and Todd Urosevitch (or whatever) important?

Just need help making the connection.

[Andy_Stephenson]

6. Presidents of

Diebold and ES&S

Thats why they are important.

[Maat]

8. Oh ... thanks.

That makes sense.

Take care!

[glitch]

5. Looks like Washington Mutual has merged with some Ahmanson holdings

Hopefully the WAMU culture overrides anything Ahmanson.

[BeFree]

7. Names of Savings and loan sharks

One simply must wonder, shouldn't one, how many of the names below have a history dating back to the reagan era savings and loan disaster? Or have been in recent "Shark eats savers" news articles?

New American Holdings Inc. - Merger
Keystone Holdings Inc. - Merger 1997/10/01
Summit Bancorp Inc. (Bellevue, Washington) - Merger 1994/11/15
PNC Mortgage Bank N.A. - Merger 2001/01/01
Pacific First Financial Corp. - Merger
Great Western Financial Corp. - Merger 1997/07/01
H.F. Ahmanson and Co . - Merger 1998/11/17
American Savings and Loan Association - Merger
Great Western Bank F.S.B. - Merger
Bank United Corp. - Merger 2001/02/09
Fleet Mortgage Corp. - Acquisition
Long Beach Financial Corp. - Merger 1999/12/31
WaMu - Does Business as Name
Fleet Mortgage Corp. - Merger 2001/06/01
Dime Bancorp Inc. - Acquisition 2001/11/28
HomeSide Lending Inc. - Acquisition 2002/10/01
BNKU Holdings Inc. - Merger
Dime Savings Bank of New York F.S.B. - Merger
PNC Mortgage Corporation of America - Merger
Fleet Real Estate Mortgage - Merger
Ahmanson Commercial Development Co. - Merger

[Stevepol]

9. Does this suggest voting machine trouble for the WA area?

Are Diebold and ES&S about to make more inroads into the vote counting sector of the WA market? Snohomish County already uses touchscreens w/o paper does it not?

[Carl Brennan]

10. Ah, who cares?

somebody else will do the research. I'll just wait and see what they turn up.

You fucking lazy assholes.

[FogerRox]

11. LOL Carl--Ahmanson was the venture cap guy who funded AIS

which bought part of BRC and then became ES&S. According to Lyn Landes site---that is the conection that I havent been able to verify thru means othar than what Lyn used. i'm off work monday so the day will be ----spent on that and more.

Peace Roj

Edit---Funny thing about AIS it seems its still around--161 N. Clark in Chicago----same addy as Accenture----

[FogerRox]

12. Kick-a-rooni

[bailey77]

14. That is a different AIS

The old AIS was from Omaha and the founders, principals, and business model is unrelated.

[FogerRox]

26. Computer Programming Services>> AIS

Hey bailey77 who else is 2 floors from this office?

161 N Clark,13th Fl.
Chicago, Illinois
60601
United States
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Business
Commercial Art & Graphic Design




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7336 - Commercial Art & Graphic Design
7371 - Computer Programming Services

NAICS Codes
541430 - Graphic Design Services
541511 - Custom Computer Programming Services

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Private Company, Headquarters Location

URL
http://www.ais.net

Email Address
[e-mail]
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Jump over to Accenture. Which is a subsidiary of Accenture Inc. OF GA.
AS is Accenture LLC.
While Accenture Inc. is a subsiderary of Accenture Ltd. of Bremuda.

ALL 3 --Accenture--Accenture LLC---Accenture LTD --have thier offices at:


161 N Clark,11th Fl.
Chicago, Illinois
60601
United States

[bailey77]

15. Best place to verify the connections is through Factiva

It is a subscription database available in many libraries. Lexis-Nexis is also helpful.

Harris broke the Ahmanson, the Hagel, and the Urosevich stories, and all were pieced together from a series of Factiva.com news searches (back then, in 2002, it was called DJInteractive).

The easiest way to go about it is to put in the search term and then have it sort from oldest to newest. Be aware that the Omaha World-Herald seems to be purging some of these articles, so grab them while you still can.

[bailey77]

13. Howard F. Ahmanson is a cousin of the voting machine funders

William and Robert Ahmanson were the funders of AIS, beginning in 1984 and until 1987. This story was broken by Bev Harris in October 2002, and in the cease & desist letter she received from ES&S on Oct. 23, 2002, it specified that the Ahmansons were no longer involved and had sold their shares in 1987.

William and Robert funded moderate endeavors and the arts. Howard F. Ahmanson, a cousin, is the radical one. No one has yet tied Howard to the voting machine company except through his cousins, William and Robert.

There is one reference to a Robert Ahmanson in connection with Howard, but it turns out to be a typo, and references Howard's wife, Roberta.

Todd Urosevich and Bob Urosevich founded Data Mark Systems, which became American Information Systems (AIS); they sought funding from William and Robert Ahmanson in 1984. The Ahmansons sold their shares in 1987 to the Omaha World-Herald and the McCarthy Group. In 1997, AIS purchased Business Records Corp (BRC) and changed its name to Election Systems & Software.

Todd Urosevich is still with ES&S; Bob Urosevich left in 1994, his position was taken by Chuck Hagel, whose campaign finance manager, Michael McCarthy of the McCarthy Group, was an owner. Bob Urosevich founded I-Mark Systems, which is still found in Diebold source code as an originator of some of the code.

I-Mark Systems was merged or purchased by Global Election Systems in 1996, and Bob Urosevich eventually became the CEO there. When Diebold bought Global Election Systems in January 2003, Bob Urosevich became the president of Diebold Election Systems, until he was canned in July of 2004 following a devastating dumpster dive by Black Box Voting investigator Kathleen Wynne.

For a period of seven years, the Urosevich brothers controlled up to 80 percent of the elections in the U.S.

Like it or not, it was Bev Harris who broke the story of the Urosevich brothers as well, documenting the relationship in a story on October 10, 2002.

Landes and Harris collaborated on research quite a bit in 2002 and early 2003. Landes identified the relationship of the Rales brothers (corporate raiders) to voting systems, and also did original and outstanding work documenting conflict of interest with the SAIC. It was Landes who researched and broke the story of Avi Rubin's conflict of interest with VoteHere, a story picked up in the national press. She continues to make news, most recently by filing a federal case against voting machines.

Best,

Erin

[FogerRox]

16. Lyns site has it slightly different

1999 AIS bought part of BRC to become ES&S
DATA Mark - 1979 became AIS 1980


Next i'm looking at The Chalcedon Institute---the 501 c3

[FogerRox]

17. Ahmanson is connected to Hunt , Haroldson Laffyette

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_HUNT_HAROLDSON_LAFAYETTE

And to the Scaife Foundation-
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_SCAIFE_FOUNDATION_
As is Irving Kristol & J. Coors


Which them led me to try Richard Mellon himself.
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_SCAIFE_RICHARD_MELLON
All the usual suspects show on this one.

Nothing on the money bag brothers William and Robert.
But lets try the DELOITTE TOUCHE (ACCOUNTING FIRM).
Dun & Bradstreet's 2004 "Million Dollar Directory" Lists ES&S as using this accounting firm.

A Search on Deloitte & Touche comes up with---

Deloitte Suit Given Trial Date
Mark Maremont. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Dec 21, 2004. p. A.11

2. Deloitte Faces $2 Billion Claim Over Audits of Reinsurance Firm
Mark Maremont. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Nov 11, 2004. p. A.1


3. Parmalat Sues Two Former Auditors for $10 Billion
David Reilly and Alessandra Galloni. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Aug 19, 2004. p. A.3


4. BCCI Stars in Yet Another Drama; Liquidators Sue Regulator In Britain for Failing To Heed Doubts Over Bank
Gonzalo Vina. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Jan 12, 2004. p. A.12


5. Pennsylvania Charges Deloitte Contributed to Insurer's Failure
Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Oct 14, 2003. p. C.11


6. ING Sues Deloitte And J.P. Morgan
New York Times (Late Edition (East Coast)). New York, N.Y.: Sep 23, 2003. p. C.15


7. ING Sues J.P. Morgan, Deloitte & Touche
Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Sep 23, 2003. p. B.6


8. Financial Services Brief -- Deloitte & Touche LLP: Pennsylvania Court Clears Way For State to Proceed With Suit
Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: May 30, 2003. p. B.7


9. Deloitte & Touche Will Pay $23 Million To Settle Claims
Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Feb 21, 2003. p. C.13


10. Andersen Ex-Employees File Suit Against Accounting Firms
By Cassell Bryan-Low. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Nov 13, 2002. p. D.2



Adelphia Sues Its Former Accountants, Citing Negligence
GERALDINE FABRIKANT with ANDREW ROSS SORKIN. New York Times (Late Edition (East Coast)). New York, N.Y.: Nov 7, 2002. p. C.17


12. The Economy: Adelphia Sues Deloitte & Touche, Accusing Former Auditor of Fraud
By Robert Frank. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Nov 7, 2002. p. A.2


13. Pennsylvania Regulators Sue Deloitte & Touche in the Collapse of Reliance Insurance
Joseph B. Treaster. New York Times (Late Edition (East Coast)). New York, N.Y.: Oct 17, 2002. p. C.2


14. Deloitte & Touche LLP Is Sued Over Reliance Insurance Audits
By Christopher Oster. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Oct 17, 2002. p. C.13


15. Deloitte, Adelphia Are Squaring Off In a Blame Game
By Robert Frank. Wall Street Journal (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Jul 10, 2002. p. C.1


And thats not even the first 2 pages

I wonder who else uses Deloitte & Touche LLP ?

[FogerRox]

18. NYT article on Ahmanson

The New York Times, May 22, 2004 pA1(L) col 05 (38 col in)
Conservative Group Amplifies Voice of Protestant Orthodoxy. (National Desk) Laurie Goodstein; David D. Kirkpatrick.
Full Text: COPYRIGHT 2004 The New York Times Company

As Presbyterians prepare to gather for their General Assembly in Richmond, Va., next month, a band of determined conservatives is advancing a plan to split the church along liberal and orthodox
<Snip>

the Institute on Religion and Democracy, a small organization based in Washington, has helped incubate traditionalist insurrections against the liberal politics of the denomination's leaders.

With financing from a handful of conservative donors, including the Scaife family foundations, the Bradley and Olin Foundations and Howard and Roberta Ahmanson's Fieldstead & Company, the 23-year-old institute is now playing a pivotal role
<snip>

For their part, the institute and its allies say they are saving the denominations from themselves by agitating for a return to biblical orthodoxy.

<snip>
Mrs. Knippers and Mrs. Ahmanson noted that the impetus for the founding of the institute came from a labor union activist, not right-wing financiers. Mrs. Knippers said the initial idea came from David Jessup, a staunchly anti-Communist union activist and Methodist who objected to church aid to Vietnam and Nicaragua under their leftist regimes.

The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, a Roman Catholic priest and former Lutheran minister, wrote its founding statement, and other neoconservatives joined an advisory board. (In addition to Father Neuhaus, the institute's board of directors currently includes Mary Ellen Bork, wife of Judge Robert H. Bork; Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard and Fox News; and Michael Novak of the American Enterprise Institute.)

Ms. Knippers, who spoke during two interviews in the last three months, said that during the 1980's the institute's initial budget of about $300,000 came from a few conservative foundations, including the Scaife family foundations, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation and the John M. Olin Foundation, as well as from the Ahmansons' philanthropic arm, Fieldstead & Company.

Some conservative foundations said they supported the institute as a broader effort to build a conservative infrastructure in many fields after decades of liberal ascendancy had shut out the right.

James Piereson, executive director of the Olin Foundation,
<snip>

Mrs. Ahmanson, who is Presbyterian, said she and her husband, who is Episcopalian, were motivated mainly by theological concerns. ''My husband and I are what we call classical Christians,'' Mrs. Ahmanson said, explaining their view that Christians should stick to the fifth century St. Vincent of Lerins's orthodox standard of ''what has been held everywhere in every time by everyone.'' She added, ''It is only in the last hundred years or so that there has been an elite, if you will, who have argued with that.''

[Moderator]

31. FogerRox

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DU Moderator

[harmonyguy]

22. I wonder who else uses Deloitte & Touche LLP ?

Well, with 120,000 employees operating in 150 coutries, you can bet that a LOT of different companies do. They ARE big!

http://www.deloitte.com
HG

[FogerRox]

27. BRC was broken up via a D.O.J. order.

[FogerRox]

30. Well I found a contradiction on Lyns site

She also says that BRC was broken up in 97

[Bill Bored]

19. AND...GEMS can import election results from both IMark and BRC Op Scans nt

[roseBudd]

20. I'm rich, republican and I count your votes. You can trust me, really...

[JunkYardDogg]

21. Howard Ahmanson was a Board Member of the Chalcedon Foundation

The Chalcedon Foundation is a Christian Reconstructionist Group
True believers in many Christian Extremist Reconstructionist
tenets. They believe in strict adherence to Early Biblical
Punishments, always involving Death to anything and everything
different than their beliefs. Like homosexuals and many other things.
See the YuricaReport on Dominionism

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

In 1986, Pat Robertson, on the 700 Club said that the Religious
Right should control the Electronic Voting Equipment.
In 1986, Howard Ahmanson put up the Seed money for the ES&S precursor.
If it wasn't for the Ahmanson Money, the Chalcedon Foundation would be just another loon wacked out Religious Extremist Kool Aid Kult.
With the Ahmanson ( Home Savings and Loan inheritance ) money, they have grown into an Evil Monster impacting America.

[FogerRox]

23. Howard Ahmanson JR. the first one died in IRRC 1968

[JunkYardDogg]

24. Roger that!!

n/t

[FogerRox]

25. From the International Directory of Company Histories Published by

St James Press.

HOward Fieldstead Ahmanson was born in 1906. Founded H F Ahmanson & Company in 1927, he graduated from USC in 1928. Thru the depression of the 1930's the company prospered by dealing with foreclosures. While traveling in Belgium in 1968 he died of a Heart Attack.

Hey Baily 77-- is this the typo?
The New York Times, May 22, 2004 pA1(L) col 05 (38 col in)
Conservative Group Amplifies Voice of Protestant Orthodoxy. (National Desk) Laurie Goodstein; David D. Kirkpatrick.
Full Text: COPYRIGHT 2004 The New York Times Company

As Presbyterians prepare to gather for their General Assembly in Richmond, Va., next month, a band of determined conservatives is advancing a plan to split the church along liberal and orthodox
<Snip>

the Institute on Religion and Democracy, a small organization based in Washington, has helped incubate traditionalist insurrections against the liberal politics of the denomination's leaders.

With financing from a handful of conservative donors, including the Scaife family foundations, the Bradley and Olin Foundations and Howard and Roberta Ahmanson's Fieldstead & Company

[JunkYardDogg]

28. Interesting Info

How come all thees Lucky Sperm Juniors are
so devoid of Morals and Ethics and Accountability ?

[FogerRox]

29. Thats why they are part of the

Corporate Neo Con Cristo Zombie death Cult brigade.

>wink<

[LatePeriduct]

32. I know this one runs real deep.

Howard J. Ahmanson is supposed to be the actual son of Howard F. Ahmanson who owns the coalition of voting companies.

He Ahmanson is a senior executive in the highest cult network in the world, Council for National Policy/Fellowship Family house of Arlington Viriginia.

That guy has been involved in every religious circle you can name, making the reports of Wayne Madsen and others that much more serious. They had to have known right from the start how to fraud the constitution.