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Sandy_0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:37 PM
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One more time - How TABULATORS contributed to fraud 2004
There are a TABULATORS made by a number of different companies, (including the well known GEMS TABULATOR, by Diebold) but they all worked this way. The kind of ballot didn't matter. It could have been paperless electronic (which does have problems of its own), punch card ballot, optical scan ballot, provisional ballots (many of which were not counted at all), other paper ballots, absentee ballots, military absentee ballots etc. ALL BALLOTS! The ballots were counted locally, in each precinct. Those totals were then sent to the central TABULATOR in each county from all the precincts.

The totals were then tallied by the TABULATORS all of which are regular computers with a windows OS and if you have ever worked with a computer, you know how easily the final tabulation would have been manipulated. Some systems were remotely controlled, others had a default set for Bush that would kick in after a predetermined number of Kerry votes. All were connected to modems and could be hacked. No matter what method was used, the totals could be changed, and according to the unaltered exit polls, were changed without leaving a trace to the untrained examiner or election observer.

These TABULATORS tally as many as two million votes at a time. These tallies are what were given as the final number of votes. Basically, as the exit polls were being taken, the local precincts were able to add up the number of votes for each candidate and at that point, at the precinct level, the exit polls and the results agreed. It wasn't until the individual precincts sent their results to be tallied by the Central TABULATOR that a discrepancy occurred between the results and the exit polls.

Now, with all forms of ballots, with the exception of the paperless touch screen voting machines, there are still ballots that can be recounted by hand. If those raw figures from each precinct are collected without their going through the Central TABULATOR, the true results can be discovered.

TABULATORS didn't just affect the outcome of the presidential race but those the house and senate as well. There was no mandate for any of the candidates. There was only what the TABULATORS in thirty states presented. The TABULATORS decided the election.

This explanation is overly simplified, but it is effective in bringing some understanding to those who do not realize the importance of the TABULATORS in the election fraud of 2004. That understanding may then bring about the willingness to discover the technical aspects of the TABULATORS.

This is a detailed explanation of the technical side of the issue. It's all spelled out clearly here.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevotedemo.htm

I posted the description of the way the TABULATORS contributed to the election fraud as a simplified way of getting the attention of the people who can do something to straighten out our election system. It's meant to be easy to read, not to be precise. That link I posted above is detailed and accurate, but not likely to cause legislators to take the time to read and absorb all that information unless we can grab their interest with an outline. That's what I am attempting to do with this post.

If any of you feel it could be helpful and want to use it, change it around, or manipulate it in any way to use in helping to explain the problem, I would be more than happy for you to do so.


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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:40 PM
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1. Shelley outlawed modems for CA, but I still believe the tabulators are key
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Sandy_0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:48 PM
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2. They were in 37 states
So you can imagine how many votes were manipulated
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:57 PM
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3. Is there a correlation
between the exit poll deviations to bush and these tabulators? Were exit polls in the states that didn't have these tabulators accurate?
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Sandy_0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:29 PM
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4. I'm not an expert
I simply worked out (over a period of time) a way to explain how the tabulators contributed to the fraud. The role of the tabulators in the election fraud seemed to be the most difficult thing for people to understand.
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Sandy_0 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:32 PM
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5. It's a start
Why don't you take it from here. You seem to have a much broader knowledge of the overall picture than I do.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:02 PM
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6. I have almost no understanding of statistics or tabulators...
but it would be an interesting study. If states with the tabulators have a higher discrepancy than those without...that would be something. Do you have a list that says which states used them? I might be able to find someone to look at them.
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sacxtra Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:24 PM
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7. PAPER BALLOT, DIGITIZED DATA IS A FELONY
The moment your vote was digitized in ANY format a FELONY was commited because your vote traveled at 3e8 (Speed of light) and disappeared.

YOu now need to fill out an election / fraud complaint form.

In it you need to say your vote was not counted. That the poll worker failed to audit it, because he / she could not physically look at it. because nobody knows what happened to it.

Your right to vote was violated.

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ChrisPhx Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:59 PM
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8. Exit polls and hackability of tabulator = Enough!
Link below to an article about a report released by the exit poll people (those who did them), and how everything but their stated conclusions supported the theory (fact as far as I'm concerned) of a stolen election. (link found on M. Moore's site)

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970/




Regarding the herrin hack the vote demo article:

This shows that the tabulator CAN be hacked. It doesn't prove that it WAS hacked. Still it is One piece of the puzzle.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevotedemo.htm


For me it is sufficient to know that the tabulator can be hacked, that it was used in 37 states, that exit polls showed Kerry winning, and that thousands of irregularities were reported.

That is enough for me to not be willing to trust the electronic voting system.





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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 12:01 AM
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9. Documentation on swings due to tabulators at following links:
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html
http://www.flcv.com/greenrc.html
http://www.votersunite.org messups and by state


see major tabulator swings of Dem straight party votes due to tabulator programming/glitches in many states in
ussumall

this was major swing; and there are several other types identified that had major swings- including the touchscreen fraud identified in 15 states in ussumall

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 07:11 AM
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10. Holt's Bill addresses software issues that seem to cover tabulators.
Clinton/Boxer could wind up doing that, too.

But, Clinton/Boxer/Graham's Bill last year had software security provisions dropped in committee.

I'd like to know what that was about.
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