What are the implications of this documented case of switching??

[berniew1]

Most people have focused mainly on vote switching from Kerry to Bush and the presidential race. But there was widespread vote switching that may have affected a lot more races than the Presidential race- based on the following EIRS case, which is the most completely documented case, and has an affidavit with 2 witnesses.


(this is a summary of the affidavit testimony posted by Enomer in an earlier thread)
EP Hearing(affidavit), voter Suzanne Goldstein in precinct 4176 of Palm Beach County on machine 21660, voted for Democratic candidates and could see check marks by their names. But when she got to review screen all the results were republican, starting with Bush and Martinez. Called the poll worker and EP and had poll worker Tony Enos and lawyer Jeffrey Stein confirm that Democrats were voted for but Review Screen showed all Republicans checked. Mr. Enos suggested that she finalize the vote as it was and that the original punch would likely override the review screen results. But voter insisted on voting on a different machine and suggested that they take the faulty machine out of service. The new machine appeared to function properly.
**********
In Florida, many cases of switching from Castor(Dem) in the U.S. Senate race were also reported, but not many candidates other than president or U.S. senate were mentioned to be involved in vote switching. But since it was documented that this case had switching for all races, is it likely that a lot more reported cases also had switching for more races and only got as far as seeing the Predidential race switched and not focused on lower level races???
And the number of cases that saw switch from Kerry and Castor was also not the total of switching from Castor but that many from the reporting sample were not noticed after the problem with President was noticed?


Any others out there who experienced switching with an opinion on this, and total implications for the election???

[k8conant]

1. Looked as if this election was totally cooked...

I always figured Martinez got in by fraud.

[berniew1]

2. Documentation of widespread vote machine fraud in Florida: link

Documentation of widespread touchscreen machine fraud in big coastal Florida counties along with systematic dirty tricks and widespread manipulation of registrations, absentee ballots, and provisional ballots- especially in minority precincts of many counties.

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[emlev]

3. I talked to an Election Protection lawyer in Albuquerque...

whose own vote for a ballot measure (or whatever they're called there) was switched when he got to the review screen. It's the only report like that I've heard, but I haven't searched the EIRS for that stuff.

Very, very interesting...

[berniew1]

6. New Mexico was one of worst states. Most obvious that Kerry won.

New Mexico had documented touchscreen fraud, phantom votes(stuffing the ballot box), dirty tricks, and major suppression of minorities
(Indians and poor hispanics).

New Mexico TS & DT & Suppr
http://shadowbox.i8.com/newmex.pdf
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf
http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

Its clear Kerry won New Mexico, but even the Dem Gov. & Sec. of State there(who did an extremely bad job in the election) fought a recount asked for by the Greens- apparently since it would reflect poorly on their record, and they have higher ambitions.

[Melissa G]

4. kick!

[KaliTracy]

5. Ohio had districts that voted for * but had also voted for

Underfunded Progressive Minority Female Candidate (Connally) for Ohio Supreme Court from Cleveland instead of Republican Moyers. There were MORE Connally votes than Kerry Votes in many districts (such as Warren County -- Home of the Orange Terrorist Threat Lockdown).

here are just a few articles -- the real research is probably elsewhere (there were some after-election canvessing in several counties, but I don't know if the results have been published yet)

Seven key reasons why the vote must be challenged at the electoral college
by Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow/PUSH Coalition
January 3, 2005
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1066

Kerry votes switched to Bush and ballots pre-punched for Bush
by Dr. Werner Lange
December 24, 2004
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1032

Kerry Supports Ohio Vote Investigation, Jackson says
by Steven Rosenfeld
November 28, 2004
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

[berniew1]

7. More doc. on Ohio vote machine fraud, systematic dirty tricks, suppression

Ohio TS & DT & Suppr http://www.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
TS http://www.flcv.com/mahonts.html
Suppr http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19 articles
DT http://www.flcv.com/cuyahodt.html
Suppr http://www.flcv.com/cuyahoga.html
TS,DT,Suppr http://www.flcv.com/franklin.html
DT, Suppr http://www.flcv.com/hamilton.html
DT, Suppr http://www.flcv.com/mahonot.html
DT, Suppr http://www.flcv.com/lucasoh.html
DT, Suppr http://www.flcv.com/summitoh.html
DT, Suppr http://www.flcv.com/montgomo.html
TS,DT,Suppr http://www.flcv.com/ohiocnty.html
Suppr http://shadowbox.i8.com/Suppression/ohio/ohiomachines.htm

Fraud http://www.flcv.com/greenrc.html

[berniew1]

8. Documentation of vote machine fraud & dirty tricks in over 20 states

Documentation of touchscreen machine fraud in over 10 states, systematic dirty tricks and manipulation of registrations, ballots, straight party vote fraud, other fraud, counting proceedures, absentee ballots, and provisional ballots in over 20 states

http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

[Wilms]

12. "touchscreen machine"

berniew,

When you use the term "touchscreen machine" do you mean:

1. A DRE with no VVPB generated?

2. A DRE with a VVPB generated?

3. A "Touch Screen Ballot Marker" with no DRE?

4. Some combo of the above?

Thanks,

Wilms

[KaliTracy]

9. bernie1 -- how can we get this out to People --not via media, but directly

to people? I've given away several of Conyers' reports but short of printing all of this up and dropping it from the sky (athough a tempting idea) -- what suggestions do you have to get the word out?

[MissWaverly]

11. we need to boil it down to talking points

Listen, I noticed that what we say shows up on the RW blogs and the MSM, I think that people can't digest too much info just a few simple facts, like could we state how many democrats voted vs. how many republicans across the country on Nov. 2nd, if there is not an official national results link, maybe we could all send in on 1 thread the turnout for our state for 1 our math gurus to boil down to 1 set simple nos. I think that if people saw a simple fact 10x dem vs 5x republicans voted across the US, it would really have an impact, I was listening to Sirius and what really shakes the republicans is that Dems raised more money than republicans this time, and that we spent much more on Ohio than they did, it gives what we are saying more credence.

[Samantha]

13. Write a book

How many people who have participated in this thread could not at this suggestion start automatically ticking off the table of contents? You could divide the chapters among the participants who specialized in certain areas, and ask them to collaborate in a draft.

Find an editor, a lawyer and publisher.

I thought two years after election 2000 I had learned so much about how to steal an election, I could probably do it should I be so inclined. Here we are nearly four years later, and people around me are openly saying this. The American people who have no idea how elections are run in this country will never get this info from the cable news. Many of these people have no computer and are not accesing these internet sites. Educate them. Write your book. It will be your DU legacy.

[KaliTracy]

17. yeah...thought about that -- would probably have to be self-published

though.... I like the idea of each person writing a chapter -- that could work if we had a good editor.

[roseBudd]

30. Help me finish bushcheated04.com, then the masses will become

informed, as they laugh and forward on to their friends, and then those friends forward to their friends.

It is almost there. Needs a couple sentences and a 1 paragrap
http://edwardsdavid.com/uploader/indexx.html

Even if you dropped the Conyers report out of an airplane people would not read it. It is too long and too boring. It is important work and needs to be documented, but it is no way to persuade.

[MissWaverly]

10. I know the machine I voted on only switched for prez

The machine I voted on keep defaulting to Bush, despite the fact that I kept trying to vote for Kerry, this happened 5x, and on the 6th time the light next to Kerry lit up and stayed lit. All the other boxes next to the democrats I voted for in Baltimore MD, did not have this problem.

[BushSpeak]

14. Can you get the results for individual machines?

Working on the hypothesis that only certain machines were rigged, it would be interesting to check the individual results to see if all the machines in the same voting place had the same approximate percentages.

Normally, the same tendencies should show up on all the machines. If not, it would help weed out the black sheep and establish a basis for a more detailed examination.

At least, it help in understanding how the vote was rigged, one way or the other.

Now, if only the machine data were made public!

[berniew1]

15. Many of the reports give the precinct; and I've done analysis for PB cty

http://www.flcv.com/pbpranal.html
http://www.flcv.com/pbvsum.html
http://www.flcv.com/pbvdata.html


Palm Beach County
I compared percent Dem in 2000 and 2004 for precincts with reported switching in 2004; and found decrease of 6.8% average. Not perfect measure but some basis; According to exit polls Kerry got higher percent in 2004 than Gore in 2000; so swing may have been more.

I also compared percent turnout in 2004 to same for 2000 in precincts with long lines/machine problems and got 7.8% reduction in 2004 compared to 2000.

There were more problems in Broward than Palm Beach but I can't get all the data needed to do analysis for Broward. S.O.E. there not cooperative, doesn't supply needed info.

[berniew1]

16. Trying to figure out this one? is it default to blank or something else?

For those with experience, some machines are programmed default to blank rather than default to Kerry to reduce a pattern that can be seen by those who understand computer default patterns. This one is not clear what the pattern is because of english apparently not first language. What do you think the default pattern is?

055103 11/10/04, 10:26 AM, PST, Machine Problem, St George Community, Ft Lauderdale, Broward County, Florida, I voted for Kerry and after the screen ask me to write in my vote. I ask a poll worker to assist me. The pollworker ask the repairman and I was allowed to vote.

[MissWaverly]

19. not only this angle

what is being covered up is that votes went missing after the memory cards were read, I think that everyone at the local and state levels know that a lot of votes were lost, but these DRE's were pushed through at great expense and that they are afraid of the wrath of the taxpayer who is picking up the tab. Not only did the machine keep defaulting for Bush when I voted in Baltimore, but the total for my precinct was only 944 votes all day at my precinct. Where my sister worked as a poll worker the vote was 2100. (Of course that was in a Republican suburb). But I had to wait 2 hours to vote, I estimated that there were between 350 to 450 voters just while I was there at my polling place, others who voted at my precinct at various times reported that it was packed. Good votes that were thrown away and how is this going to be fixed in 2008 as long as private companies control the machines???? I have just been called to jury duty, I really don't even feel like going, why is it that I am first on the list to call for tax increases or my civic duty, but I don't have the right to vote???

[berniew1]

20. What county and what type of equipment were you using that defaulted?

and why didn't you report it to the Election Protection hotline??
I'm not aware of any switching that was reported in Maryland, though there were other types of problems reported.

Its still possible I think, to file a report with EP if you know your precinct and time you voted, what happened,etc.
EP has just had hearings in Florida, and previously in Ohio and they are still accepting reports of problems.

EP in Florida [e-mail]
[e-mail]

[MissWaverly]

22. Data from Maryland elections

Here's the scoop! I thought I had reported it via Votersunite, but
I will send an e-mail to the addresses that you cited, I am still pissed off, especially as I waited for 2 hours to vote in Baltimore City, Cong. District 7, Precinct 005-09, 3500 Hillen Road, Balimore, MD. I have the excel file from Baltimore City, but I don't know how to send as a pdf file in this format. Miss Waverly

reports of irregularities in Maryland
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=da...
More, see this and the pdf link at it's page bottom:
http://www.votersunite.org/info/content/mess-up_122104....
http://www.flcv.com/maryland.html

Type of voting machines used in Maryland
Baltimore City AVC Advantage Model 315 (Sequoia), this was the
same machine that caused all the problems in Washington State.
rest of Maryland used AccuVote-TS Model ES-2000 (Diebold)
the link
www.elections.state.md.us/citizens/voting_systems/md_voting_systems.html

My humble statistics from no math whiz!
Kerry won with 1,334,493 which is a lead of only 309,790 in Maryland
Bush had 1,024,703
Here's why it is BS, these are registered voters who voted in the entire STATE of MARYLAND
1,340,778 78.89% of registered Dems voted
733,643 81.37% of registered Republicans voted
5,415 72.36% of registered Greens voted
16,182 67.39% of registered Libs voted
236 79.73% of registered Constitution party voted???
8 72.73% of registered Populists voted
299,529 68.52% of registered Independents voted

Results from Baltimore County
data is from the Baltimore County election summary
in Baltimore county (Diebold machines), it gets more interesting.
Bush 166,051 (46.98%) with 1,089 blank votes for prez
Kerry 182,474 (51.62%)
Mikulski (dem senator) 217,688 (62.72%)
C.J. Pipkin (rep challenger for sen) 124,092 (35.75%)
blank votes for senate race 7,498
US congress (2)
C.A. Ruppersberger (Dem) 96,723 (65.77%)
Jane Brooks (Rep) 46,236 (31.44%)
with blank votes of 7,447
Now you see that Bush consistently receives a higher percentage of the votes than the Republican challengers and in Baltimore County,
not only are candidates not riding Bush's coattails, people are only voting republican at the top of the ticket and not bothering to vote at all further down on the ballot!


Now, I KNOW that the Democrats I talked to DID not vote for Bush, now even if every single Republican voted for Bush, of all the Independents in the entire state all but 8,469 would have had to vote for Bush for him to get that number of votes, I can tell you these are fake nos. We need to open up the machines! No more years.

http://www.elections.state.md.us/SBE_Election/turnout/t...

[berniew1]

23. Voters Unite does have cases of touchscreen switching reported for Marylan

[MissWaverly]

24. Hooray, glad it's on record

What a relief, sometimes I feel like I just keep shouting down a well, hope you liked the excel file I sent you with the precinct results for Baltimore City, that's where I got the 944 votes all day for my precinct after waiting for 2 hours to vote, and it was packed with people the entire day according to my neighbors, they all had long waits. I estimated that there were at least 400 people there when I was waiting, the line extended from the door of the school gym to the 2 card tables to the voting booths was in a candy cane shape of approximately 50 feet, plus people waiting all the way down the concrete ramp which was at least another 300 feet (those would have been the people in front of me), but as I move up others took my place, so I say conservatively, there were at least 400 while I was there and yet there were only 944 recorded votes for the entire day.

[berniew1]

21. There were major efforts to suppress votes in precincts that were expected

to have high Dem votes like minority precincts and college precincts.
This is documented by the EIRS reports in over 20 states:
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

along with the touchscreen fraud

[Bill Bored]

27. Seems like it defaulted to a write-in. nt

[Wilms]

18. kick n/t

[Liberty Belle]

25. I wonder if we could find vote-switching in a GOP primary.

If we could convince Republicans that they could be removed from office by rigged machines in a primary election if they cross the Busheviks, perhaps we could win some converts to the voting reform movement.

[Wilms]

26. Yup

This is non-partisan in that very sense.

I'd play it. I do.

[berniew1]

28. There was documented vote switching in 2002 Florida Gov. race where Jeb wa

was elected.

www.votersunite.org

[skids]

29. Bingo!

Contested Republican primaries, coming in 2006 and 2008 at a Diebold console near you. Let's be ready to point out if anything squirrelly happens in 2006. That's only a year and a few months at this point, folks, since primaries are earlier.

[sacxtra]

31. Allow me access and I will FUCK YOUR ELECTION

Give me legal access to any part of the following system.

I WILL CRACK THE BASTARD.