I Believe.

[bleever]

I believe a few things are true at this moment in history.

First, that the theft of the election of 2004 continues to grow more evident and obvious, and that the grand forces of history are joined with the energy of a great many passionate Americans who won’t rest under the rotten mantle that has settled upon us.

Second, that the anti-democratic forces that have managed to gain a grip on the three branches of our federal government, intimidate the press out of being the watchdogs they have historically been, and who brought us to war on the basis of lies and their ability to game all the national and international systems, have made a fatal error.

They have underestimated the decency of Americans.

You can’t really blame them; they themselves don’t possess that decency.

The decency to say that any system that allows innocent people to be tortured to death, because of our suffering and fear, is not what we stand for.

The decency to see the wisdom of the way the U.S. Constitution apportions the power to send American men and women onto the battlefield of war.

The decency to actually believe that it should be the decision of the people, through their votes, to choose their government.

And as surely as I know that they would effectively destroy the two-party system, I know and believe that they are failing. Because they don’t understand the decency of America and what it really stands for, and really thrives on.

Americans don’t roll over. Not for terrorists. And not for those who think that they can wrest the miracle of representative democracy from the people of this nation. Go ahead: read Machiavelli. Study all the greatest bosses, kaisers, caesers, emperors, and consolidators of power. Do your best. One problem: power resides in the people. If you try to gather it all unto yourself, it’s going to spill back out.

The months since the election have been abundant with fruit for everyone who, seeing the election stolen, breathed deep, got mad, and knew that justice would eventually prevail.


I Believe.

[ClassWarrior]

1. This is a sight for sore eyes.

I Believe, bleev.

Never Give Up.

[bleever]

4. I think I will...Never. Give. Up.

Not even tempted to!

Hey bro. Gee, is it just me, or did the prezdent sound a little dopey?

I mean, I know it's hard work and all, but shouldn't a guy who's the prezdent at least sound like he did his homework when the teacher calls on him?

:hi:

[ValentinoM]

50. I BELIEVE!! I can't let it go,

I have to believe no matter what anyone says.. The election was stolen, or everything we believe in is too far out from the mainstream thought of our own neighbors.. I don't believe that!

[bleever]

57. Welcome to DU, ValentinoM! This is the right place

for anyone who refuses to let cynicism get in the way of truth, justice, and the REAL American way.

:thumbsup:

[New Earth]

52. bleev's your kid brother right?

:hi:

[bleever]

58. He's my brother; we just have different parents, and have never met.

Nice to see you, Faye!

[texpatriot2004]

336. Hey ClassWarrior, I will never give up. I still believe. Glad to see

you and Bleever. This is my first time to seek out this thread in a long time. I believe.:kick:

[dave502d]

2. Well said. n/t

[Melissa G]

3. I believe in the eventual triumph of love, light and goodness! n/t

[RevCheesehead]

5. I believe.

I believe that no matter how dark the darkness seems, there is always light which encourages and beckons us, giving us hope.

I believe that deep in our hearts, we all really know how horribly corrupt our leaders have become; and those with a conscience will take a stand for what is right, honest, and true.

I believe that DU has some of the finest people I know, whom I am honored to call friend. These friends offer hope, encouragement, and love, and my life is greatly enriched by knowing them.

To the ties that bind: :toast:
Never Give Up: :hug:
and
Keep your knees loose. :loveya:

[tiptoe]

99. BELIEVERS: Vote for higher visibility of "2004 Election Forum"

Should the 2004 Election Forum be placed back on the main forum page? (Poll)



...and incorporate the poll link into your own messages, so many more DU-ers will have access to the poll and be empowered to vote.



==================================================

1) <Right-Click> the link above, select <Copy Shortcut> and <ctrl-V> to paste the link into your messages (for unlabeled URL)
Above the link add: "Should the 2004 Election Forum be placed back on the main forum? (Poll)"

or

2)
Highlight-Copy-and-paste the following text into your messages and then Replace the "<>" with "[]"

<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... " target="_blank"> Should the 2004 Election Forum be placed back on the main forum page?</a> (Poll)

[dchill]

6. I believe...

...in the accuracy of the 2004 state and national exit polls over the "official results" of the unrecountable black boxes and the Karl Rove exit polls.

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dchill]

8. I still believe...

Actually, pre-election polls had Kerry winning OH and FL.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x330449

What factual basis to you have to claim, "This election was not stolen?" I BELIEVE it was, and every fact I learn strengthens that belief.

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. I live in Florida.

In a county with early voting.

In a county with optical scan ballots.

In a county that is weighted towards Republicans.

Kerry smacked down Bush hard in the early voting.

The pre-election polls in Florida as of the weekend before election day had Kerry by a fraction of a percentage point over Bush. i.e. too close to call.

Can you imagine the Red Sox winning, but no one was allowed in the stadium, the game wasn't televised and George Steinbrenner controlled the scoreboard?

[Catamount]

18. I'm with you P.P.

Wake up Deanathon!
:eyes:

[dchill]

29. Thanks for the assist, Pacifist Patriot,

...now where'd that Deanathon go???

[KaryninMiami]

236. I too live in Florida - it was rigged. Period. But we have a chance here-

Getting whistle-blower Clint Curtis on the ballot in District 24 is it- our chance to propel election rigging into the mainstream media- something many of us have been trying to do for years. Clint will be running against Tom Feeney- one of the most corrupt politicians in America and the elected official who hired him to design a program that could flip the votes without detection. How could the media resist this story? But we need to get him on the ballot first and then continue to support his campaign.

That's why we need your help- and everyone's support!

Help Get Clint Curtis on the Ballot!!! Please donate today!

www.clintcurtis.com.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Exit polls aren't the only evidence.

Republicans have stolen races in at least the 2000, 2002 and 2004 election cycles.

[meganmonkey]

9. I believe

I believe that if there is anything worth fighting for in this time in which we live, it is GETTING OUR DEMOCRACY BACK. There are a hundred ways to do it, or more, and Election Reform is one of the most important.

I am so grateful for the people who are working their asses off on it. I am doing a little bit, here and there, but the heroes are the ones who are really devoted to it full time.

So THANK YOU to those heroes (you know who you are) and to everyone who is doing a little bit here and there, like me, because TOGETHER WE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

:patriot:

[MelissaB]

11. I believe!

I do! I do! I do!

I believe so much that I'm nominating this wonderful thread. We only need one more to share it with all of DU. :)

[meganmonkey]

12. And we don't need to stop at three!

;)

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. I believe that humans can transcend the artificial limits set by fear.

I believe, I believe, I believe!

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. Oh bleev, it's so good to see you and this thread too

It's like a super double-deal! :pals:

Recommended and kicked and bookmarked for lifting tired democracy warrior spirits.

I will post updates with links to related hope-inducing threads, sort of kick-plus.

edited to add: would you please add a link to the earlier "I Believe" thread?

[Catamount]

17. Great Post! I believe too!

:bounce:

[fooj]

19. Hope sustains us!

I will never give up! Never!:patriot:


peace.

[mopinko]

20. i believe we are the media now.

failure is impossible.

[abbiehoff]

21. I believe

truth will triumph.

Thanks Bleever!!!

[Der Blaue Engel]

22. I believe flying monkeys really hate it when they see us believin'

So, guess what, monkeys? I BELIEVE!

Why does it scare them so much, I wonder, that we believe? Why are the sore winners so afraid?

Here's to all the little monkeys who flap their wings! :toast: Thanks for showing us all we're on the right track! :hi:

[sparky_in_ma]

23. I believe

that it's time for another "Deep Throat" to give us a repeat of the Nixon years.:evilgrin: That sequel would be worth watching.


(not the movie, the person)

[seito]

24. I Believe

Most of us fight because we know that there is a terrible rift in this country that threatens to destroy all that is right and just and good. We come from every walk of life, and we are united in our concern for this country. We hold the deepest respect for our fellow citizens and everyone else that happens to share this planet with us.

The circumstances that brought us all together are unfortunate indeed. The forces that have come to control our corporations, our government and our media seem to know no limits. Fortunately, the arrogance that brought these thieves to power will be their own undoing.

America will survive this because concerned citizens will not stand idly by and allow tyranny to continue, unchecked. This is a fight we did not ask for and would have preferred not to fight. We are veterans and soldiers and students and hard working citizens. We love our families and we love this country.

We believe that the Constitution was put in place for a reason. We believe that every citizen's right to vote is sacred and must be protected. We believe that no person is above the law, no matter how charismatic (or not) they may appear. We believe that treason is treason, no matter what political party is in power. We believe that we have been called to protect the freedoms that we have come to enjoy. We will not fail in this noble calling.

We will Never Give Up.

I Believe

PS Thanks Bleever for keeping "I Believe" alive :yourock:

[Amaryllis]

26. We have decided what we will do with the time that is given us:

“Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again.”
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo.
“So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

[bleever]

28. That's an inspiring and touching reference, Amaryllis.

And in this land, we admire the WWII generation because they decided to stand up and do what was needed.

I know many of us take them as an inspiration.


:thumbsup:

[bleever]

27. Perfect: "America will survive this because concerned citizens will not

stand idly by and allow tyranny to continue, unchecked."

Thanks to you, seito, for being one of the people who makes me think that they picked the last people they should have tried to pull this shit on.

:thumbsup:

[CC]

25. I Believe

And will never give up.

[Patsy Stone]

30. I Believe

I still believe all of it. :hi:

[denese]

31. I believe too

You are right bleever, they underestimated us.
A dangerous error on their part.
I believe the time of reckoning is at hand.
The truth will always find it's way out of the darkness and into the light.
Never Giving Up.
Denese

[Cassius23]

32. Quote from "Return of the King"

Replace Men with people/something more gender neutral and I think it's quite apt for the thread.

Said by Aragorn

"My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

And yes, I am that much of a geek that I googled and found the whole quote.

[bleever]

34. Welcome to DU, Cassius23, and thank you for that great quote.

:thumbsup:

[kster]

33. I believe KERRYS BACK !

GO GET THEM JOHN!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3768469

[LeahD]

36. Yes, he is.

Actually, I believe he never went away!

I believe he never gave up.

I believe that the perfect storm might be brewing, and Monday could be a very interesting day!

[zann725]

42. He never did go away. He has far too much integrity and conscience.

While others bashed him for what appeared to be 'inaction,' he simply was waiting...

Everything in Life is timing. He's an "old" enough Soul to patiently await the right time...NOW.

[autorank]

38. You're right. Lay 'em out John, kick some ass.

[merh]

35. I believe

I believe we have made a difference and we can continue to make a difference! Never give up, not ever.

:patriot: I DU Believe! :patriot:



(thanks bleever, my favorite believer! :hug)

[sparky_in_ma]

37. I believe

working for positive change always makes a difference. It may not be measurable right away, but if we keep plugging away it CAN happen.:-)

[merh]

40. I believe you are right sparky!

:hug: And I think you are wonderful! :loveya:

[Turn CO Blue]

39. I believe. NGU. Carry on! We're "getting" it. n/t

[BeFree]

41. I Believe

That even moderate Dems are beginning to see our point. It surprised me when several said they thought our country was truly endangered.

There be hope, Mates, I Believe we are not so all alone. And I do Believe this thread has picked me up!

[EFerrari]

43. I believe in the strength , will and ability of this community

to succeed in whatever we take on together.

I believe.

[bleever]

44. I believe that it's actually getting easier to believe

that justice for the theft of the 2004 election will surely come.

At first, it was a matter of faith for many of us.

Faith generated action and conversation.

Action and conversation, through persistance, generated more action and conversation. And to an anti-democratic cabal that seeks to control the system, and thwart anything resembling checks and balances (the root of the genius of our founders), action and conversation are poison. They count on us shutting up, moving on, and not making waves.

But I see the people who gather here at DU, and who post on this thread, and I feel invigorated by the force and perseverence of the people who know that the smallest voice down in Whoville might be the one that makes the difference in all of us being heard.

Thank you to all the remarkable people at DU, and to all of the people who've posted here, who inspire me, and make me know that we are correct when we say, We Believe.


:thumbsup:

[bleever]

45. The "I Believe" archives. Five earlier threads, starting with Doohickie's

first one, started just a few days after the stolen election. These five "I Believe" threads had a total of 1985 responses. And with the latest thread, we've passed the 2000 mark. It makes me very proud to be a part of this, and to know you all.


11.12.04: 802 responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=46764



12.15.04: 441 responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=166109



1.8.05: 265 responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=270782



1.19.05: 226 responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=293810



2.12.05: 251 responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=325629


Clearly, we are Not. Giving. Up.


:patriot:

[Doohickie]

46. Of course, I BELIEVE

I believe in righteousness and justice. Sooner or later, these will catch up to the shrub.

I am Doohickie, and I approve this message.

[bleever]

47. You started all this, Doohickie.

Thanks!


:toast:

[Patsy Stone]

48. I Believe

Bob's right: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

[LeahD]

49. Oh, I Believe

the times they are a changin'!

The veneer is cracking.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[bunny planet]

51. I believe in the 'Downing' of the Preznit.

He is going Downing down down.

Chimpeachment now!

I believe.

[LeahD]

54. I Believe the Sound of the Word "Chimpeachment"

is music to my ears.

[bleever]

59. "The 'Downing' of the Preznit." LOL.

That's floatacular, bunny.

:loveya:

[denese]

53. kicking back to the top

Because I DU believe!
:kick:

[bleever]

56. It's always nice to see you here, denese.

Thanks for being another real believer!

We're seeing lots of reasons to believe.

:hi:

[denese]

60. well thank you bleever

I think I am up to a whopping eighty posts now :-)
Most all of them have been in an "I Believe" thread.
Knowing I have fellow believers has sustained me though this dark time.
I believe more people are waking up every day.
Things will be set right.
I have to believe it.

[autorank]

55. I believe we're kicking some serious ass in a righteous sort of way.

If you know what i'm sayin'...all in the broader effort to both refine and defend our knowledge.

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[BeFree]

61. Freepers are reading us

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1418048/posts?page=102#102

That link takes you to a post by Bev Harris, smack-dab in the middle of a thread about this thread. Scroll to the top of that page or follow the rest of the thread to see what a bunch of America haters they are.

Our thread talks about conserving democracy and restoring the government to being answerable and responsible to a free people. Some freepers, otoh, are aghast at such revolutionary talk. They like the fact that the government is getting away with murder, possible vote stealing, and limiting the right of individuals to speak freely. In short, the freepers have gone totally against what they pretend to stand for: A Free Republic.

Can you say Hypocrisy? That is what we are dealing with, my brothers and sisters, pure hypocrisy from those flag waving, jack-booted thugs who infest freeperville.

[bleever]

62. Well...that was an interesting trip through a land of spitballs,

putdowns, and sniggling back-of-the-classroom crack-up-your-buddies retorts.

Jefferson, Madison, Articles of Confederation, Continental Congress, separation of powers, checks and balances, three co-equal branches of government, the power to declare war...to heck with that stuff. I'm a stupid-head. I read it over there where the folks think that the two-party system is one party too many.

Only they didn't come up with "stupid-head". That's all mine, baby.

I guess we should be grateful for the attention, when they really should be dancing around in joy at how their president has made everything all perfect, now that he has all three branches in hand. I can't believe anything could distract them from the crazy-wild non-stop victory party they should be having.

Here's why I admit to "stupid-head": I don't understand the "sore winner" phenomenon. What the heck is that about, anyway?


:shrug:

[BeFree]

63. Sore winners

It's all part of their MO: Kick a good man when he's down.

Interesting that we see our words spread across the freepers screens. Ya gotta hand it to that Peanut butter and Jelly-comic dude over there. He has mamnaged to put more of our words up for them to read than all the banned DUers combined. I want to thank that pb&J-comical dude for doing so, he's done us a favor.

[denese]

64. How clever of the freepers!

Getting my dad to read an "I believe" thread that way.
They should be very careful which words they select to put over there. Some of these beautiful posts might jump start some long dormant brains at Free Republic.
If people start thinking for themselves, that's going to be a real problem for their president.
(HI Dad!)
denese

[LeahD]

65. I Believe the Pinocchio Preznit

built his house of cards
on a foundation of fear, deceipt and lies.
He didn't foresee that someday...
ripples of facts,
waves of truth
would be lapping at his door.

As bleever said, we
"breathed deep, got mad,
and knew that eventually
justice would prevail."

We HAVE made a difference!

Looking forward to the pure, sweet light of truth shining brightly at Conyers' hearing.

NGU!

[autorank]

66. If you want to really BELIEVE today, go read this, completely.

From GettysbergII. There is a radio-active nugget inside his text that will bring a smile to your face.

I believe we will prevail.

[bleever]

67. Link?

(That's what happens when you post late at night)

:hi:

[autorank]

68. LINK to inspirational threat!!!

Great Link by GettysbergII

[FogerRox]

69. I beleive they can have my voting rights, when they pry them from my cold

dead hands--

I gotta belief thats pure and true--
in my red, and white, and Blue---
If you wanna join my crew---
Saving democracy is what I do--

[dalloway]

70. time to believe again!

I originally signed on to DU just to post on Doohickie's original thread.

Doohickie, do you ever come around any more? You should be proud. And you too, bleever, for never letting this thread die.

The believing goes on, in one, long, continuous chain, giving us hope when we want to despair, lifting our spirits when yet another promise goes unfulfilled, but--most of all--giving us all the ability to return again and again to hope and pray and believe that ultimately the Good and the Just will prevail.

[bleever]

72. Look upthread for Doohickie. "Of course I BELIEVE."

If this all falls apart: HE'S Spartacus.


:rofl:

[Doohickie]

78. Yes, I come around now and again.

Life has a way of keeping me away from this board sometimes.... but I still believe.

[Independent_Liberal]

71. I'm still a believer!

I'm still here and I still believe!

[bleever]

73. Now more than ever. And it's people's belief that things

can be made right that has made it happen.

It will keep happening.


:patriot:

[LeahD]

74. Please let it be so...

that the Democrats will be releasing a bombshell of a report about the election fraud in Ohio.

I believe that more people will join us. We can never have too many believers.

[kster]

75. I believe, Bush is Hitler

And the neo-cons Republicans are the Nazis. And we need to make John Kerry Eisenhower and the Democratic Party the Allied troops, and I believe it's time to kick some Republican ass.

I approve of this message.

[byronius]

76. I believe.

[dalloway]

77. Turning 300 on I believe

I just noted my post count turning over to 300 and figured I'd come back here.

On the eve of Conyers' forum, what better way to turn 300 than by believing????

[Doohickie]

79. Way to go, dalloway!

Keep them posts a-comin'!

My wet-dream-fantasy-wish is that when Kerry eventually blows the lid off the Bush corruption and overturns the election. He seeks out the guy who believed all along and has the guy stand beside him at the press conference. (I hope some of his people still read here once in a while.)

[LeahD]

80. I Believe the undercurrent of discontent

is rising to the surface and making waves.

Batten down the hatches, *, I do believe you're in for a wild ride from here on out.

[Independent_Liberal]

81. I believe they'll be going down shortly...

Yesterday was a big day. It was a step in the right direction. I think it will help get the ball rolling.

[Wow]

82. We can hope for that!

[meganmonkey]

83. "All the great ages have been ages of belief."

R.W. Emerson.

[LeahD]

84. I absolutely believe that...

"All that is gold does not glitter.
Not all those who wander are lost.
The old that is strong does not wither.
Deep roots are not touched by the frost."

I have deep roots and survived the dark, cold days of winter after the election, and I did not give up.

I will NGU, because I Believe.

[bleever]

87. That was really nice.

Thanks! Like a breath of fresh air.

NGU.

[LeahD]

88. One of my favorites from Tolkien...

...it's become somewhat of a mantra for me, and I find myself repeating it from time to time.

Thank you, bleever.

NGU

[byronius]

85. I don't just believe. I KNOW.

When this cycle turns -- lemme tell ya -- rrrrrr ---

[Independent_Liberal]

86. Chimpeach the Shrub!

You heard me!

:)

[Independent_Liberal]

89. Gotta give this a kick!

And yes, I still believe!

[zann725]

90. I still believe. Repugs are 'on the run'...on the defensive...and losing

ground quick.

Keep hope alive!

Kick!

[LeahD]

91. I Believe I liked it better in the old days....

when the I Believe thread didn't drop off Page 1.

[denese]

92. I agree 100%

Never give up!

[LeahD]

97. NGU

and a big kick!

:kick:

[Joe for Clark]

93. We will win, eventually.

Hopefully, not too late.

If you believe, like many of us that this election was fraudulent at its heart, then believe in american people that we will not fold. We never have in the past--and we won't now.

And Karma is a bitch.

Joe

[denese]

94. Hi Joe

A lot of us don't believe, we KNOW the election was fraudulent.
Time to get the squatter out of OUR house.
Hope you're right about Karma, it sure has been a long time coming.
Denese

[Der Blaue Engel]

95. I still believe, and they can't take that away from me

Wonderful to see this thread again. :)

Welcome to DU, Joe for Clark and Denese! :hi:

[denese]

96. Well, thank you

It's always nice to be welcomed.
Denese

[txindy]

98. I believed I'd find this thread!

And look who's started it! :applause: Hey, Bleev!

I believe the tragedies in London today will not distract those of us with determination to see the guilty pursued. ALL of the guilty.

I believe Turdblossom is about to hit the proverbial fan and that the WH is going to need some industrial-strength powerwashing after he does.

I believe that the pResident shouldn't ride his bike without his training wheels and NEVER after a hard rain. The putz.


And, unfortunately, I believe that here in Texas there are far too many dittoheads and falafel boy worshippers, resulting in a whole passel of these:


I believe I am seriously tired of that.

I want my country back. And what's the magic word? NOW.

I believe someone's about to Rove into serious trouble and the dominos will begin to fall. Sociopaths with power do not stick together.

I believe.

:patriot:

[bleever]

101. "Sociopaths with power do not stick together."

Woo hoo, txindy's back!

So nice to see you here, and have the pleasure of your company and finely-crafted words and graphics. It's like finally having milk after eating dry cereal.

Time for us to get our country back. And while there may seem to be a lull in the work of exposing the theft of the election, we need only remember the months of silence on the Plame case, when people were shaking their heads and saying it was going nowhere.

This will serve to expedite the exposure of the stolen election, because once you find root rot, you know that every last Blossom is doomed.


Sorry about the local chimps, tx, but you know you're truly appreciated here.


:toast:

[Patsy Stone]

100. I believe

now more than ever.

[merh]

102. I believe!

:patriot:

[autorank]

103. I believe that our time is coming, the intersection of polls down & ...

...explanations/excuses needed to explain how this monster became our ruler. What's the explanation, THE TRUTH. The election was stolen, people will come to that quickly, CM won't be able to stop it and, parallel to that, a few choice and nasty truths once hidden in the past will emerge too! It's coming and we're ready with who, when, why, and how the deed was done in 2000, 2004 and maybe even earlier (never forget "spoilage" as a racist, anti-Democrat tactic).

I believe that the work here will be justified and we will enter the next period of American history justified and responsible as a people because all of our votes will count.

[EFerrari]

104. I believe and in honor of my dear friend, I pledge to act on my belief.

[LeahD]

105. I believe in

voter verified paper ballots,

healthcare for all,

and thousands of people from DU working to save our democracy....

in honor of Andy Stephenson.

[bleever]

106. I believe that all goods things that will inevitably flow from this

effort will stand as tribute to Andy Stephenson, and what he stood for, and what he worked for.



Thanks, bud.



:patriot:



:toast:

[LeahD]

107. Where Have All of the Believers Gone?

:shrug:

Maybe they're just on vacation.

:patriot: NGU!

[bleever]

108. I don't think we're short on believers. In fact, everyone's so excited

about the implosion around Traitorgate and how big media is following it straight to how we were lied into war, that the focus has shifted for now.

I believe that eventually this will all help to expose the theft of the 2004 election even faster than otherwise, as ordinary people realize how criminal this gang of thugs is.

:hi:

[merh]

109. Still here & still believing!

:patriot:


We, the people, will reclaim our nation! :patriot:


Never Give Up! :grouphug:

[i miss america]

110. and I believe ...

it's time to give this wonderful thread a :kick:

[bleever]

111. As the web of lies begins its great unraveling, I believe that

not only will we get our country back, but the crimes that led to the theft of this election will be known to historians in far greater detail than the rumors about the 1960 election. Far greater detail.

Mark Crispin Miller's book is another excellent step.

Remember: everyone said that by this time, we'd either have shut up, or we'd be ignored as nuts.

So when we believed back then, we were right. Just like we're right now.


:patriot:

[fooj]

112. Truth is our most powerful weapon!

I'm hanging in and I still believe!

Peace.:patriot:

[EFerrari]

113. I believe people respond to truth.

And Mark's article in Harper's is a wonderful distillation.

I believe people will respond to this truth and take action.

[ScamUSA.Com]

114. Go Sox!

[Gregorian]

115. Those with the gold, rule.

Those with little brains, let them.
The press has been replaced with mouthpieces.
But we have the Constitution. This IS a Democracy.
Long term appointments are our biggest threat, I think.

I saw a show on Brazil, and couldn't help but think that we are on our spiral downward, in this country. Shoot first, steal elections through fraud, censure, and a whole array of things really brought me down. This all congeals when I think that Fitzgerald might, and probably won't, be able to continue his work.

But there is hope. I know it's around here somewhere. Just give me a light.





I love your post. There are absolutes that this country was built upon, and they still stand, or it's not America.

[Ellipsis]

116. ...it's time to kick some ass. n/t

[bleever]

117. Some laugh at belief, thinking it's a poor substitute for proof.

In fact it's the power that makes the truth come out.

Now we've got belief, and a swelling chorus of outrage.

I agree: it's time to kick some ass.


:thumbsup:

[merh]

118. I Believe!

:hi: Hi ya bleever! :hu:

Never Give Up! :patriot:

[Ellipsis]

119. I saw a delightful thing on local news yesterday.

The broadcaster was talking about procurement of voting equipment. He mentioned the need for paper trails... as to insure accuracy, because of the potential hacking. Word is getting out.

Let them laugh. The snowball is a gittin' big...or should I say snow balls.

The writing is still on the wall.

Peace to you, and good night.

[Ellipsis]

262. ASS KICKED!

...looking forward to sequel, when the gavel changes hands in January


I believe.

[Independent_Liberal]

120. Keeping this kicked for all the believers out there!

I STILL BELIEVE!

:)

[texpatriot2004]

126. It's been approx. nine months and 17 days since they cheated

their way into the White House, for the second time in that pathetic excuse of an "election" and I still believe that the house of * will fall. I am still grateful to see this thread and to know that there are other people who believe as I do; others who have seen through this fraud from day one. Right about now I would love it if Kerry and Edwards were to have * by the balls, you know, like some old western movie or one of those 1930's gangster films where the hero says, "here's how it's gonna be" and they usually have something big and bad on the person they are explaining life to. I so wish that would happen. However it happens, I believe it will happen. It's late. It's not too late. It's never too late.

I still believe.

Like Class Warrior says, "NGU"

Peace.

[bleever]

121. Kicking for Cindy, and all the families who've paid a horrific price

because of the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004.

We will never give up in exposing these crimes. Their enormity can be seen in every grieving face.

We believe that just will be done, because we will make sure it is done.


:patriot:

[texpatriot2004]

127. Hi bleever, I still believe too. It's been about 9 months 17 days

since these evildoers cheated their way into the White House, for the second time in that pathetic excuse of an "election" and I still believe that the house of * will fall. I am still grateful to see this thread and to know that there are other people who believe as I do; others who have seen through this fraud from day one. Right about now I would love it if Kerry and Edwards were to have * by the balls, you know, like some old western movie or one of those 1930's gangster films where the hero says, "here's how it's gonna be" and they usually have something big and bad on the person they are explaining life to. I so wish that would happen. However it happens, I believe it will happen. It's late. It's not too late. It's never too late.

I still believe.

Like Class Warrior says, "NGU"

Peace.

[Name removed]

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[meganmonkey]

123. I believe

and that is why I am going to DC on September.

I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE!!!!

:bounce:

:patriot:

[Independent_Liberal]

124. Can't let this slip away!

Gotta give it another kick!

:)

[autorank]

125. I believe...that when * hits the mid 30's in popularity, we will have our

day in the court of public opinion and WE WILL PREVAIL. The evidence is there, we just need an audience. The public cries out for an explanation as to how this crew got in twice...well we have it and they'll believe it! I believe...

[Independent_Liberal]

128. Yes... WE WILL PREVAIL!

:)

[autorank]

129. Since you believe, kick & recommend this ERD thread in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4401317

[texpatriot2004]

130. Kick this thread for everyone who believes that lying, cheating

stealing, selfish bastard will be kicked out of the White House!

Kick it for the families who will never be able to "go on with their lives" in the way they had before Bush slaughtered their children.

Kick it for those who remember the stolen elections!

Kick it for those who remember the bullshit weapons of mass destruction.

Kick it for those who believe corporate interests and greed are ruining our country.

Kick it for so many reasons.

[YvonneCa]

131. Kick... n/t

[YvonneCa]

132. Kick... n/t

[YvonneCa]

133. Kick...

...'cause I believe ! ! ! For so many reasons.:patriot:

[Independent_Liberal]

137. Kick!

[kster]

134. I believe this is what

the electronic voting machines caused check out this video,Its time to take the gloves off and take these voting machines out of our democracy NOW, PBHC, Thanks soup,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4406987

[bleever]

135. Goodness grows and prospers; evil inevitably turns in on itself.

A passage from "Blue at the Mizzen" by Patrick O'Brian struck me as apt with reference to our neo-con junta. The ship in which the main characters are sailing has been followed very closely, for many miles, by a large shark. It is suspected that while he is the only one who swims within sight, there may be many others swimming deeper and out of view.

As a demonstration of shark behavior for the naturalist on board, sailors throw buckets of fish blood over the side: "...and in a split second the white foaming wake was scarlet, a most splendid scarlet for thirty yards astern and in the scarlet sharks raced to the surface, sometimes breaking water, lashing and snapping in a blind frenzy of greed and when it was found that the wounded bleeding prey did not exist they turned on the king shark, the big fellow, and a seething mass of long thin fishes not half his size tore and worried and wrenched him to pieces. It was over in barely a minute."


While I do not expect actual cannibalism, I wouldn't rule out anything with these most ruthless of political operators. I just know that loyalty amongst crooks and sociopaths is not the highest of priorities.

[autorank]

136. I believe bleever...this is entirely accurate!

[texpatriot2004]

138. "Scratch a lie, find a thief" quote from Ray the film about

Ray Charles Robinson

Lots of lies, and lots of thieves in this administration. Bleever is right, there is no loyalty among thieves once the feeding frenzy begins, it's every thief for himself (or herself).

This administration, the lyin' cheatin' no good selfish evil crooks, is now crumbling, one card at a time at first, then the whole house of cards!

Nice to see you Bleever.

[bleever]

139. Nice to see you, texpat.

Still, and increasingly, believing.



NGU.


:patriot:

:hi:

[thebeckerman]

140. I"m glad you believe

I hope you're right.

[bleever]

143. Welcome to DU, thebeckerman.

It's really nice to see you here.

We're all committed to seeing this through. And your work is well appreciated here.

And when we say we believe, we don't say it as a prediction of what might end up happening; we say it as a commitment to being sure that it does happen.

[LeahD]

141. I Believe

the days of * and company controlling the message are over.

The walls are closing in.

And I still believe Kerry won.

[byronius]

142. Closer. Closer...

[texpatriot2004]

145. I believe we are getting closer. I believe we are approaching...

surely and steadfastly. I believe that BushCO has trouble and their little Rethug party too.

[texpatriot2004]

144. I believe that the house of Bush & Co. is beginning to crumble...

I hear the rumble of disgruntled Americans. I believe that Karl Rove will be fired and then go to jail but not necessarily in that order. I believe that Dick Cheney's dirty Halliburton deals will be exposed for what they are. I believe that Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of them will be exposed for the crooked liars that they are. This whole disgusting group will wind up being exposed as the lying crooks that they are. They will go down in history as the worst administration ever. They will be disgraced beyond what I can imagine. They will carry their shame and they will never recovery from it. Every single person who helped them to deceive Americans and others will go down with them. I believe decency will win. I believe that good will conquer evil...even the evil of this administration. I believe that the majority of Americans know that they are lying crooks and that they can see them for what they are. I believe America will be America again. This dark time will pass. This era of evil will end soon, sooner than I think. I believe that Bleever is right when he says we will make it happen. We believers are all apart of this momentum...we have been all along. I believe that Americans can do better. I believe that Gore won in 2000 and Kerry won in 2004. I believe that this will be common knowledge and undeniable fact known by people all over the world. I can see the humiliated * and his humiliated cohorts who won't be able to spin there way out of this falling from high and hard.

[LeahD]

146. I believe there is hope for our country,

because on this day in Crawford, those at Camp Casey
and Camp Quall found common ground and came
together for a candle light vigil.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4502940

I Believe we will elect Democratic leaders in 2006
and 2008, and America will be America again.

We WILL make it happen!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[texpatriot2004]

147. I believe Bush WILL be impeached! I believe that it can be done.

I believe that I will see him impeached. It's like in Lord of the Rings, I think it was the second one, when Gandolf and the crew were in the cave running from the monster dragon thing and Gandolf turned to face the dragon at the bridge and with all of his might and sheer force of his will said, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS." That's how I feel. Bush shall not succeed in ruining America with his selfishness, greed and stupidity. I will not allow it. I will believe in something other than disaster for this country. In my mind's eye I will believe that Bush is being impeached. I will dream of it and maybe others will dream of it too. What's your vision? "...Without vision, the people perish..." I am not sure what book or verse to quote, but it's from the good book. The one that the Rethugs don't own. So, I will choose to believe, right now, that this madness stops here! That EVIL Bush shall not pass!

[bleever]

148. And now even the wind and rain conspire to see *'s reign revealed

as a massive failure of leadership.

So much suffering that could have been avoided.

Let there be justice.

[autorank]

149. I believe that the Truth Is All we want..and we won't stop until we get it

:dem:

[LeahD]

150. When we see pain and suffering,

and grim news assaults us from every angle,
we will NOT give up.

When our government fails us,
we will be there for each other.

We will NEVER, EVER give up!

:grouphug:

On edit, grammar.

[texpatriot2004]

151. I believe Bush is a miserable, colossal failure. n/t

[texpatriot2004]

152. Tonight I believe that even Republicans are seeing this colossal

failure too. I believe that my Federal Government has failed me and millions of others too. I find it hard to wrap my mind around that. How could my Government fail me in such a colossal and public way. I am no safer now. I knew that but not to the extent that I do now after watching this complete and utter failure of a response to Katrina victims. I am disgusted by the lack of decency, humanity and "Christianity" that the people working in my Federal Government have exhibited. There are some good things. I believe they cannot spin their way out of this. I believe we got at least some of our press back. I believe that BushCo won't recover from this disaster.

[LeahD]

153. And, I believe there are so many people

who regret that they didn't vote for Kerry.

:cry:

[texpatriot2004]

154. True, yet I also believe so many people voted for Kerry and their

votes were stolen. I believe that millions of people right now regret that we have "president" incompetence running the country. I believe that they cannot put a lid on this problem; they cannot contain it, or manage it, it's too big and too horrible. The "president" let his own people drown and die from lack of water. This is the man who brags and brags about "keeping us safer here at home." Days away from the four year anniversary of 9-11 and they can't respond to a disaster that comes with a warning and lead time. How pathetic is that! I believe they won't be able to spin this. Thank God.

[Patsy Stone]

155. I Believe

This thread keeds a good kick today.

NGU!

[texpatriot2004]

156. I believe change gonna come...I can feel the winds of change

after Hurricane Katrina and it doesn't look good for wimpy. Things are shifting...it is palpable. It's in the air. Katrina is the last straw, the one that broke the weasel's back.

[bleever]

157. Big rain gonna wash away the bullshit hiding all the lies this

gang has used to hijack American democracy.

[texpatriot2004]

159. Hijacking your own country is heinous. Murder. Treason the real

kind, not the planted intern kind.

[demodonkey]

158. I believe that We Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For.

I believe that we WILL Save Our Democracy.

And I believe in my friend Bernie.

[LeahD]

160. Yes, we will! n/t

[Ellipsis]

161. I believe.

So does Jimmy Carter.

peace

...and Hiya Frank.

[bleever]

162. I believe now more than ever, and so do more people every day.

Justice will prevail. This time of witches, to borrow Thomas Jefferson's phrase, is passing.

Failure is the option of least persistence. Not doing that.

Not giving up.


:patriot:

[Ellipsis]

165. "Failure is the option of least persistence" I like that.

:thumbsup:

[bleever]

172. Tip of the hat to seito.

It's from seito's sig line, and it may be one of the most eloquent lines I've encountered in the last 11 months.

I believe that persistence is beginning to be rewarded!

[byronius]

163. Becoming more fact with every passing day, bleever.

[bleever]

167. It's amazing to watch. Witnessing the rebirth of the power of

We, the People.

[jarnocan]

164. CARTER says Gore won in 2000!

"...There is "no doubt in my mind that Gore won the election," the erstwhile President declared, saying the 2000 election process "failed abysmally.....
In the question and answer session of his talk intended to discuss the Baker-Carter commission report on election reform,"

BTW-"Carter founded FEMA in 1979". http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Carter_says_Gore_won_2000_el_0922.html
Check this out- might even want to post it as a new thread.

I hope they will talk about 2004 next. http://vvlobbydays.blogspot.com

[bleever]

166. Thanks, jarnocan, and a long-belated welcome to DU.

I want to hear Carter talk more about 2004. He already had stated that it didn't meet the standards to even be monitored by the Carter Center.

[autorank]

168. I believe Bush will be "resigned" and so will Cheney.

I believe thatin the midst of this, the election fraud story will break.

I bleieve that the country will be in one hell of an uproar.

Rokken!

[bleever]

169. Just rebuilt my back deck. Once you start to find the rotted, soft spots

you don't stop til you get back to what's still solid.

This election is spongier than a dry-rotted termite condo that's pretending to be a supporting beam.


Buh-bye.

[Der Blaue Engel]

170. Bless this thread!

So wonderful to see our belief still going strong.

I believe their house of cards has begun to crumble. I've begun to hope again. :)

[Der Blaue Engel]

171. I believe it's time for some I Believe

Come on, believers, where ya hidin'? I believe we're closer to seeing some light at the end of the tunnel than we've been in a long time.

Indictments are being passed out among the Republicans like it's trick-or-treat...and this time, no treats for them!

KKKarl seems preoccupied with something...Chimpy's messages are more garbled and absurd every day. It's like he's waiting for the cues in his earpiece and nothing's coming.

I believe Camp Casey and the DC march scared them silly. They're all off message.

Heads are going to roll. I believe it.

[bleever]

173. I believe the correct response is BINGO! You put it very succinctly.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes!

And I believe it too.

[Melissa G]

174. I Believe it is time for some Serious Popcorn with my Friends..

I'm thinking Cheddar is a good flavor...in honor of all the rats that are scurrying for cover..I have my feet up and am watching the show. I DO Believe it is gonna be a GOOD One!!!:popcorn:

[texpatriot2004]

175. I believe. I am a believer and I am here with my popcorn too.

:popcorn:

[bleever]

176. I believe we're going to need drinks too.

:toast:

To those who believe, and help make it so.

[texpatriot2004]

177. Cheers Bleever and all believers. All this popcorn makes me

thirsty. You're right Bleever we need drinks. :toast:

[byronius]

178. Cold and frosty. It's like the first day of summer.

[LeahD]

180. Yes, I believe there IS light at the end of the tunnel,

and I eagerly await Fitzgerald's announcement.
The journey to justice has taken so long.

I'm ready for the house lights to dim,
the curtains to open, and the main feature
to start rolling on the screen!

And, I'll be munching popcorn too! :popcorn:

To all the believers, thank you for
the encouragement to keep believin'.

[autorank]

179. I believe you are right on target:)

[bleever]

188. Who imagined that Project X would have this kind of success?

:toast:

[Kip Humphrey]

242. I believe they will have to wrest my black marble chip* from my cold dead

hands! (*reference to the way Athenians voted in the first Democracy)

I believe in the unsung, selfless patriots and heroes of Democracy you find here in DU/ERD and elsewhere in the Election Reform/Democracy movement. I believe: One day (and its only a matter of when), the history books will say of this band of heroes, "Thanks to these patriots, Americans are free!"

Thank you, Bleever. Your "I Believe" posts always renew my spirit.

[YvonneCa]

181. Out here in California...

...and I still BELIEVE ! !:patriot:

[Patsy Stone]

182. Still

Now more than ever.

I also believe that as one domino starts to fall, the others will follow. I believe before all is said and done, each one of their criminal acts will come to light -- including the two stolen elections.

[anaxarchos]

183. My first "belief"...

I sure hope I don't drag in a bunch of people saying "we don't believe" in with me....

cheers bleever

[bleever]

186. LOL! Thanks, anaxarchos.

And thanks for all your work here.

[Mister Ed]

184. The murmer is spreading, growing louder: "The Emperor has no clothes!"

[bleever]

187. It's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

:thumbsup:

[Ellipsis]

185. I believe our numbers are growing.

I beleive those who have faded away after the election are coming back.
I believe I see more sarcasm from the mainstream media.

...and I believe..... Ann Colter is T-O-A-S-T.

[texpatriot2004]

189. 11 Months and 14 days since Nov. 2, '04 and I still believe and

I will never get over it.

[texpatriot2004]

190. October 23, 2005 I believe that the issue of election fraud is now

coming out. I believe that it will be revealed just like every other foul and wicked scandal that is right this very moment upon this evil regime. I had a dream of it too. There was a group discussion, people who had followed that lying lunatic * and his bunch were sitting and listening in shock and horror at all of the lies, they were seeing it for themselves, they were understanding what happened, they were stunned to know the reality of the issues. Election fraud was coming out. It was going to be revealed. That was going to put the icing on the cake, seal the deal, put the final nail in the coffin...

Oh yes, I believe we shall overcome. I believe that we will begin again. I believe that treason is not a partisan issue. I believe that we can do better and we will. I believe what John Kerry and John Edwards said last year this time, "Hope is on the way. Help is on the way." They knew what they were dealing with and they knew who they were dealing with.

I remember the gigantic crowds that packed in all over the country to see them. I remember who won the debates. I remember who was "presidential." I remember and I will never forget. The Democrats won in 2004 just like they did in 2000. It's not about our "message" or our "campaign" or anything else. It's about FRAUD.

I believe the truth will be told, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help us God.

[sunshinekathy]

191. I think you're all fooling yourselves - you need to make it happen

Everyone in America could know that our elections are being rigged and the vast majority of them could be against it happening

and

our elections will still be rigged again.

You are fooling yourself if you think embarassment or public knowledge will stop it when election systems in a vast majority of states give carte blanche to tamper with elections without leaving a trace of evidence and without any routine independent audits to detect or correct errors introduced by insiders.

Its the same pollyanna view that made Common Cause make our election systems a hundred times worse by formulating and passing the biggest boondoggle for election tamperers ever - the HAVA act.

If you WANT to stop election rigging you have to commit money and time and commit it FAST before its too late to a project that actually has a hope of ensuring that accurately elected candidates are sworn into office after the Nov 2006 election.

http://electionarchive.org

If you folks naively allow another election to be rigged and you aren't awake enough to realize that US house and senate and state house and senate and governor's races have also been rigged for a decade now, and you haven't realized that the Common Cause solution HAVA has now made many many more entire states and counties easily riggable with Diebolds and Sequoia and a myriad of other ways, and you let the November 2006 election be rigged because you don't get up off your duff and do something EFFECTIVE - then the courts will also become packed and it may be too late to fix afterwards. Are you not aware that the US is in so much debt now that our entire government is getting closer to collapse?

This pollyanna view will not help anything. Stop doing pot or get your brain straight!

We must raise the funds to build a national election data archive to instantly collect and analyze election data and we must fight legal battles this year prior to that. It will take a big system:

Not one state in America collects the data at the state level, so it has to be collected from over 33,000 separate county and township offices, most of which do not currently release it in the detail that we need it.

Please see this:

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/election_officials/ElectionArchive_advice.pdf

See this:

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvData/US/How2CollectData.pdf

In addition, we must have high-speed Internet servers that are very huge and all the data comes in different file formats and different file types and different arrangements within each file from every county. The high-speed servers must be very big to hold all the data, and they must be redundant, backed up and very secure. The monthly cost simply for server co-location is $250/month and then we need to pay a mininum of $500/month just for sysadmin, but probably $2,000 would be more like it.

Then we have to develop systems that are secure for volunteers to upload the data to the server and systems to index and display the original files. Then the most complex part is the systems to program to parse all the myriad of file types from the numerous original files and get it into the database, then programs to display it.

Just to design the database took many months, because another complexity is that every state has different ways of conducting elections, election procedures, etc. We spent many months doing that with volunteer programmers, but we cannot develop it now without staff: staff both to program it, and also staff to work with volunteers and election officials, and that is before we even consider the programming of statistical analyses.

You might think that writing the over a dozen papers with computer scientists and mathematicians was easy and did not take much time, but just this last history paper took me over 5 weeks day and night working constantly.
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Presidential-Election-2004.pdf

If no one wants to fund the development of the national election data archive then that is really pitiful that no one cares about democracy to implement this project - the only project that has any hope of ensuring that the right candidates are sworn into office by January 2007.

Even IF you other election activists succeed in ensuring that VVPBs are used and even IF you succeed in ensuring that independent audits are always performed - that will not catch all errors that could change election outcome.

If you guys don't start contributing money or time to this effort, you can kiss your democracy goodbye, maybe forever.

I'm sure that a lot of folks in Hitler's time couln't imagine that he could take over from the German Republic either - (with the help of Bush's grandfather).

Please wake up and help restore American democracy by doing something that has a real chance to do that.

Kathy
http://electionarchive.org

[yowzayowzayowza]

192. Plz see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=398182&mesg_id=398362

[texpatriot2004]

193. Believers United. n.t

[texpatriot2004]

194. I believe that when Kerry and Edwards said "Hope is on the way

and Help is on the way" they meant what they said. I believe that they knew, that they were well aware of the path that they were on. In other words, they have a plan for the long haul. I believe they knew the "election" was stolen and that they took that into consideration when they created their plan of action.

Remember, Kerry and Edwards are the last two people that they (Chumpy and Cheeny) should have tried to pull this crap on. Think about it. Kerry the only one to take on Iran Contra and Edwards with his record of taking on and bringing down corporate criminals.

More and more, I know that they knew. I believe. I still believe.

[texpatriot2004]

195. I believe that Kerry and Edwards know that they were robbed of

4 to 8 MILLION votes. I believe they are aware of the fraud.

[texpatriot2004]

196. I believe that believers will be vindicated in the near future...I

believe that it is all coming unraveled now and that election fraud will be one more scandal revealed. I believe that it will all come out in the wash.

I believe.

[bleever]

197. I believe that we are making it happen. And as the intimidation

that has frozen the media and public discourse since 9/11 continues to that, and more and more people, at higher and higher levels, become willing to describe the actions of the administration as "criminal", the molten layer of anger and determination around the stolen election gets closer to erupting through the surface of the national consciousness.

We believe because we act; we act because we believe.

[texpatriot2004]

198. I believe Bleever. I believe that the election fraud will soon be

revealed. I believe that there is plenty of evidence of these two stolen elections and I believe that it will be revealed. What ugly truth to gaze our American eyes upon yet it is the truth that will set us free. We have been sold division by this evil regime; lies, deceptions, false hoods, illusions...they made things appear to one way when in fact they were far from reality.

The time for truth is now. I think that this evidence may already be in the trusted hands of people who can use it for the good of the people, all the people.

I am a believer and I still believe.

[texpatriot2004]

199. Merry Fitzmas Eve to all of the believers. n.t

[texpatriot2004]

200. I believe Harry Reid and the Dems are awesome. I believe they

are true patriots. I believe that they are in the know. I believe that it will all come out in the wash.

[LeahD]

201. I Believe it's time for all Believers to check in and read Bleever's

original post from May 31. It says it all! Thank you, Bleever.

My "Believe-o-meter" has shot up several degrees in the last few days, and I believe justice is just around the corner. Thank you, Fitgerald. Thank you, Reid. Thank you, GAO.

[texpatriot2004]

202. I believe it would be so fantastic if tomorrow 11/2/05 all the data

that has been gathered about the stolen elections would come out. You know, as an anniversary present to all of us who knew then and who researched and educated ourselves about the fraud; to those of us who were heart broken one year ago.

I hope that all the data that has been compiled will be released, announced, spoken of, talked about, etc.

I believe it would be wonderful if on 11/2/05 the Truth would be revealed in a dramatic and public way. That this truth would blow down this house of cards that is our sham government.

I believe that would be poetic justice.

[meganmonkey]

203. I believe we have made some serious progress since this thread

was started, and that is a wonderful thing to ponder.

I believe that we are moving closer to reclaiming our nation from the deMOCKracy that has taken over, and that the thin facade of the bush administration, created with lies, cheating, murder and suppression, is beginning to crack.

I believe I will watch it tumble to the ground and expose them all, and while part of me will celebrate that occasion, I will mourn all of things that have been lost in the meanwhile.

:patriot:

[bleever]

204. I believe this week's revelation that * lied in the Iraq war certification

he sent to Congress makes it a MUCH shorter jump to the idea that he stole the election.

I'm not sure I believe that * will finish this term.


:)

[MelissaB]

205. I still believe!

I'ts been a roller coaster of a week, but I think you're right about the idea of a stolen election. I believe!

:hi:

[bleever]

206. I actually heard Limbaugh refer to the stolen election as a topic

for the Kool-Aid drinkers!


:rofl:

[kster]

208. I believe now that the lies are Surrounded

by the truth there is no way out, * and Cheney are in their last throes. Safety of the troops first, the election theft next, in that order. I'm with you *co will not finish the term.

[Patsy Stone]

207. Wednesday night kick

for believers.

[bleever]

209. I believe in the good people of this forum, and the work we have done.

To all the people here (including those who can't post for themselves), I am extremely thankful.

History will record, in large part thanks to people here, that the election of 2004 was corrupt and illegitimate. And I believe that things will continue to unfold at an accelerating pace.

[EFerrari]

210. I believe that's true, bleever. Can feel the impetus, it's palpable.

I believe this has been one of the most important years in the life of our country and now, the fever has broken.

I believe.

[Amaryllis]

211. Question for you, Bleever! How did you get this thread originallly dated

June to resurrect as a current thread? I am very confused...is it a miracle? Magic?

[bleever]

213. This thread has just never sunk very far, because of the ongoing

responses. So the answer is yes: it's a miracle, and it's magic.

:)

[Amaryllis]

218. Well, I am all for miracles and magic! All we can get...we need it to

defeat the dark side.

[LeahD]

212. I Believe Diebold is in trouble.

I feel a shift, and the tide is turning.

NGU

[Amaryllis]

219. I believe Diebold is in more than trouble! I believe the rats are leaving

the ship. :)

[bleever]

214. I believe our progress is excellent, and that truly inspiring people

continue to work here and elsewhere to make sure the theft of 2004 is completely brought to light.

While there is a long, long way yet to go, nobody (but us) in November 2004 would ever have imagined that we would have gotten this far. We were tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy-theorists, laughed at and mentioned only as fringe kooks in the corporate media. We were supposed to be ashamed, and shut up, or at least stop bothering the sane people. The story was supposed to be DOA.

Instead, the momentum continues to grow, as does the creative activism. We are winning. We will win.


We're never giving up.

[EFerrari]

217. I believe that those truly benighted people have so vastly

underestimated us that it is only a matter of time before they are ousted from power.

I believe in the intelligence of the American people. At times, their generosity gets between them and those that would do them harm. I believe America is a self-correcting experiment.

I believe that we and our children and our grandchildren will protect and defend the values set out in our Constitution. We may trip, but we are circus people. We will find our footing.

I know that we are coming out of a long trauma. I believe we are ready for a new day, willing to to the work, anxious to put right what has been made wrong.

I believe.

:)

:grouphug:

[YvonneCa]

220. Boy, have they EVER...

...underestimated us! " I believe we are ready for a new day, willing to do the work, anxious to put right what has been made wrong." What beautiful and inspiring words...thank you! I believe...and I am READY!:patriot:

[YvonneCa]

215. I believe...

...believers are about to get some high-level support. I posted this, about John Kerry and his recent remarks on the Ed Shultz Show and on Christmas Day on AAR, a couple days ago in another thread:

>>>>

I think he's been gathering evidence for some time now. If you watch his appearances in the past year, you can almost see the transition he's made. I really don't think he WANTED to believe it(the fraud) in the beginning (And, by the way, I didn't either. It's a lot to take in.) But now, it's clear he does. He's a man of conscience. He believes in democracy and the value of citizenship. I don't think his conscience will allow him to just let it go. This is comforting and makes me very grateful... he is a patriotic man and a man who values honor, conscience and duty to country. His words in this interview (AAR on December 25,2005) demonstrate, to me, that he knows the details of what happened in 2004 and he will come forward, if there is proof. Until or unless that happens, I'm willing to trust his judgment. If he does bring this issue forward, with proof, I believe it will be for the purpose of strengthening our election process for "We, the People...".

>>>>>>

Never give up.


http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=display&id=3112




:patriot:

[YvonneCa]

216. kick! n/t

[LeahD]

221. I Believe Everyone Should Remember Jan. 6, 2005

and visit this thread.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2354129&mesg_id=2354129

and read fantastic posts by FMH, bleever, sfexpat2000, autorank and others.

Jan. 6 IS Patriot's Day,
and we should NEVER forget,
and we should NEVER GIVE UP!

[EFerrari]

222. I believe the courage of this community can right our national course.

I believe.

[bleever]

223. I believe we are making great progress on many fronts.

Unlike a year ago, there are actually investigations being done by journalists. Last year: the sound of crickets.

Unlike a year ago, election fraud, voting machines, and the whole election process is an ongoing topic of growing interest in the national media. The stories don't stop coming. It was all supposed to be dead and buried by now.

And the overall mendacity of this administration is now causing them escalating trouble in so many areas, as the flying monkeys come home to roost.


Here's to all of you, and DU; we should all feel proud. And energized.


:toast:

[Ellipsis]

224. I believe in Badnarik & Cobb

...as well as what they represent.

I believe in the dedication, intellect, diversity and passion of the people of the election reform forum.

[Patsy Stone]

225. I believe

It's nice to see this thread show up again!

Good morning, all!

[vince3]

226. They are in trouble

Tom Noe was charged with 53 federal and state offenses on 2/13/06 in Ohio. His wife, Bernadette, was forced to resign from her position as the Lucas County Elections Director shortly after the 2004 election. Their crimes just reinforce the election fraud of 11/02/04. They are the kinds people who ran the election and counted the votes. More and more people are becoming aware of how dirty that election was. The attention this Noe Coingate/Election Fraud Scandal is getting could not come at a worse time for the election crooks in the White House. They are in trouble.

[EFerrari]

227. I believe in our solidarity. I believe it can change this world.

I believe that the force of our collective shoulders to the wheel of a corrupt government will dislodge the usurpers of our public trust.

I believe.

:loveya:

[EFerrari]

228. . . .

:grouphug:

[merh]

229. I believe.

:patriot:

[bleever]

230. Hey, ten months later, and the words of the OP ring truer than ever.

I believe, now more than ever!


:patriot:

[merh]

231. You and me both!

I sure think the OP is a wise soul. :hug:

:patriot:

[YvonneCa]

232. And did you hear Al Gore a couple weeks ago...

...about "The President is breaking the law...repeatedly and persistently "????? His was a great call to stand up for the Constitution. He is calling for "We the people" to stand up...as those in this thread have been doing. I believe we have powerful leaders who now believe! :patriot:


http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=325&Itemid=292

[LeahD]

233. I believe

it's exciting to see two threads
related to election reform on
DU's "Greatest Page!"

:woohoo:

[LeahD]

234. I Believe

the truth about the voting machines cannot be ignored.

A recount stopped in Texas, because of problems with the machines?
Troubles in Illinois?

NGU when it comes to voter verified paper ballots.

[EFerrari]

235. Today, despite the many problems that are showing up everywhere

with the machines -- or maybe because of them, I feel so much hope.

I believe the American people will not allow this corruption of their elections to continue unabated.

I believe.

:kick:

[bleever]

237. Guess what? I still believe.

:toast:

[MelissaB]

238. I'm with you!

I still believe! :toast:

[DemReadingDU]

279. Me too!

[rumpel]

239. OMG

One of the longest surviving threads.

:)

[Kurovski]

240. I believe, and apparently so does Robert Kennedy Jr.! (nt)

[LeahD]

241. I thought after RFK Jr.'s article, believers might pop in here again!

Never stoppin', still believin'!

[bleever]

243. RFK Jr. commemorative kick.

All those longs months ago, it was a matter of faith that this crime would become a matter of public knowledge.

Now it is a matter of fact that skepticism about voting machines is widespread. The ongoing crimes of this administration have brought this country, and the world, to the point where it is no longer unthinkable that they are in the White House illegally, just as we are in Iraq illegally.

Not giving up yet!

:)

[Patsy Stone]

244. Hi!

What are they hiding?

[bleever]

245. Hi! Apparently, they are hiding

anything related to transparent government and actual democracy in the basement, starving them like unwanted stepchildren, while their "real" children (global domination, plutocracy, and war profiteering) and fat and happy on the couch upstairs, watching the teevee.

Some people are still mad, and not going to let them get away with it.

I'm really glad that you are one of them.

:thumbsup:

:hi:

[fooj]

246. Hey bleev...

I believe. NGU! Ever.:patriot:

[Patsy Stone]

247. I believe

No matter how much they want to, they can't destroy the ballot proof in Ohio quite yet.

[LeahD]

248. Yes, very good news today re Ohio.

If Arnebeck still believes, I'm still believin'!
NGU

[althecat]

249. Me too..

[bleever]

250. Thank you, al.

We've come a long way. Thanks for your work with autorank, and all that you do.

:toast:

[texpatriot2004]

251. I believe torture is wrong and Un-American and I believe that

the election fraud of 2004 is coming out now.

[kster]

252. I believe, if we are not willing challenge the Dems and Repug

Politicians and the Media People to a little one on one, fair street fight, That they are going to keep running all over us, They need to be taken to task!!! OURIGHT!1 Enough of their BULLSHT already.

[galloglas]

253. Let today be the birth of

the "ΔΕΜΟΣ".

POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!

[Ellipsis]

314. Amen.

Today was a good day. Biden was a wise thoughtful choice.


To the spirit of ER.:toast:

[In Truth We Trust]

254. I Believe we need Hand Counted Paper ballots NOW!!! or Fascism forever.

[kster]

255. I believe, there is a way to presort those ballots

making the hand counting of them ballots even more efficient!

But whats more important, it is a TRUE 100% VOTER VERIFIED SYSTEM!

[YvonneCa]

256. WOW...this is a sight...

...for sore eyes! The 'I Believe' thread is still going. :) I believe it has been a long two years, but I also believe November 7th will be the beginning of the change we have sought for so long.

I am still fighting and I still believe!:patriot:

[Patsy Stone]

257. I believe

the spirit and determination of Americans to do what's right and good will not be quashed. No matter how hard they try.

[Kip Humphrey]

258. I believe things will get worse before they get better...But I believe

things will get better because we will prevail in the end.

[bleever]

259. Now more than ever, I believe.

If they steal this one, it won't be a a small group of "conspiracy theorists" crying foul. It will be common knowledge that the elections were illegitimate.

I don't know what will happen from that, but I do know that all that has been accomplished in terms of raising public awareness of election fraud in the last two years will bear fruit and be dwarfed by what follows.

Hell yeah, I believe.

[Kurovski]

260. Same here bleever.

People talk to each other in the street about how bad things are...there's no way people are going to believe the Republicans won it this time.

[althecat]

261. I still beleive.....

And I find this encouraging

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=293

[althecat]

263. HELL YEAH!!!!! I BELIEVE QUITE A LOT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2625473&mesg_id=2625473

[keepthemhonest]

264. Holy shitaman!

Hey Bleever,this thread is still alive?! Yeah believers! now let's hope those last two senate races go to us.COme on positive thoughts, everyone.

Anyone else still here? Still believing.I guess our believing took a look longer to get here but the day is here.

NGU

I talked election fraud so much to my repuke sister over the last 2 years, now she this am she is saying " voter fraud." I told her it is not voter fraud it is election fraud and yeah we still don't really know who won by what last night for real because now I am sure that some well intended democrat probably hacked into the machines last night after the repukes were done hacking.tee hee That is just my tin foil hat theory.We were going to win by a ,landslide anyway they just made sure it happened.

[bleever]

265. Hi KTH! The believers are vindicated!

And we're not done yet.

:toast:

[txindy]

267. It took long enough.

But worth the wait.

[bleever]

270. Hey, lookie there:

You replaced your upside-down American flag with the planet Earth!

It's like seeing the first flower of spring.

:)

[keepthemhonest]

276. yippee

Yep still celebrating.Yes job is not over yet.Here's to you and all believers.

[LeahD]

266. I believe we made a difference.

and we're never givin' up.

:patriot:

[YvonneCa]

268. I believe...

...in my country. I believe...we DID make a difference. I also believe we aren't done yet...but what a glorious day! We deserve to take time to savor it, reflect on it, and then get back to work for our country. 2008 is just around the corner.:patriot:

[Patsy Stone]

269. I believe

we won the whole shebang! :toast:

[Melissa G]

271. We Rock! America has remembered itself.. I believe!

:toast: To all those who Never Ever Gave up!

[Patsy Stone]

272. Cheers, darling!

:woohoo:

NGU!

[Melissa G]

274. Love to you, Patsy. The KOEB Never Gave Up!

Maybe their love and good vibes were what really helped motivate KO!
:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

277. That's an incredibly nice thing to say.

But I don't know about all that. I'd settle for him listening to us when we ask him to sit on his damn jacket tails when he does the news!

DUers all over did their part for this amazing accomplishment -- this thread definitely included.

Election Results Forum: :yourock:

:hi:

[bleever]

273. America has remember itself.

That is beautifully felt and expressed, and brought tears to my eyes.


:thumbsup:

[Melissa G]

275. Your beautiful thread was like a light in the darkness...

I loved the way it kept popping up just when i needed to see it most!:hug:

[understandinglife]

278. I believe .... in "We the People ... more than ever.

Thank you, my friend!


BE AMERICA. ---

[YvonneCa]

280. "We, the People..."

...made the difference! We are POWERFUL when we pay attention and take seriously our responsibility as citizens. I believe!!!!:patriot:

[EFerrari]

281. I believe in the industry and the integrity of the election reform movement

and I believe the public is with us, every damn step of the way.

We will secure clean elections.

I believe.

[bleever]

282. The industry HAS been amazing.

The best proof of the integrity, in my opinion, is the fact that people everywhere now question whether the elections are legit.

No basis for confidence. Elections are unverifiable.

What was once the domain of "conspiracy theorists" is now common knowledge.

Somebody made that happen. I'm honored to be part of this somebody.



:thumbsup:

[autorank]

283. I believe we're in a position to win on free and fair electoins...

With groups and individuals putting up petitions, open letters, etc. to Congress we're sending one message from the many voices...fix the damn system already, enough of the B.S.

They'll get the message and act. It will take a real whistle blower or two and a scandal that
shocks even them but it will happen.

I believe

[galloglas]

284. And I believe he is right!

What part of this don't they understand up in those Ivory Towers?

This is the deal, Powers-that-Be. You're screwing around with my voting franchise.

That franchise is my "inalienable right", and I aim to use it. And that includes seeing it used the way the Constitution intended. It includes me, and any mother's child of this Nation who wants to, watching the whole bloody process from start to finish, when and if we like.

And I want citizens running my elections, using hand counted paper ballots with totals posted at the precinct. Now what, Powers-that-Be, don't you understand? It's MY vote, you're running the elections, and YOU'RE not responsible for electronically screwing up the last four elections?

Then get this, Powers-that-Be.

This is not YOUR problem, because screwing up my vote made it MY problem! Now, if you don't listen, and fix the elections like I spelled out above, you will quickly find that I am going to make MY problem become YOUR problem!

Capisce?

[Kurovski]

285. Yep.

Yep.

[Ellipsis]

286. I believe

...It's Time for change

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3164857&mesg_id=3164857

[EFerrari]

287. I thank you today, my friend, my neighbor. And I believe.

:)

[bleever]

288. Since lack of decency is in the news

in a big way with the story of Rove stacking the Justice Department by sacking U.S. Attorneys (Republicans, even!) who wouldn't push bogus voter fraud cases or otherwise act to benefit the Republican party, I thought I'd just mention: I believe.

The original post started two years ago, at the same time Rove and Gonzales were rooting around in the cookie jar for the best way to undermine the apolitical nature of the U.S. Attorneys' duties.

I salute everyone and everything about America that acting to slough off the snakeskin suit of *'s "imperial presidency". I didn't underestimate you.


:thumbsup:

[bleever]

289. Do I still believe America is bigger than these crooks?

Now more than ever.

Even with the Supreme Court majority now infiltrated by liars who would uphold stare decisis while effectively neutering those historical precedents, and with a Vice pResident who claims to be beyond the Constitution.

The wisdom of the founders, and the character of the American people, are being tested in a way that perhaps they never have before, not even in WWII when we had a clearly identifiable Axis of evildoers to defeat. Now the enemies are domestic, and the body politic itself has been parasitized and weakened, leaving America dazed and confused. Not to mention horribly abused.

Fuck that.

America is Americans. We're not going to stand for this shit much longer. The heavier the Iron Heel on our necks, the madder we get.

This administration is going the way of the Nazis, the Communists, and anyone else whoever tried to impose their notion of a "new world order" on this country.

Yes: I believe.

[Melissa G]

290. Thanks Bleever, for your thread, for your insight and for your steadfast

belief in the triumph of a people over oppresion, even when their minds are glazed with the likes of American Idol. We will persevere. We will kick this scum out of Washington and we will get our country back
.
I believe, too.

NGU :patriot:

[Kurovski]

291. Kick.

Still believing.

[Kurovski]

292. The day after "Live Earth"...

and I'm believing that the believing is better then ever! :-)

[Ellipsis]

293. I Believe that even when we suffer through our own version of The Hatfield & McCoy Feud...

we get a little smarter every day about election reform and how to achieve it.

[althecat]

294. I believe..... "Thar she blows"

Watching a majestic whale come to the surface is a wonder to behold.


big version NOAA

[Name removed]

295. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bleever]

296. I believe they keep raising the stakes, as bullies do, thinking we'll back down.

And frankly it's worked well for them, in the sense that they've been able to winnow out, through intimidation and the manipulation of who gets what they call "access" (but what democracy assumes to be everyone's right to know whether their elected officials are doing what they said they'd do), people who would actually fulfill the duties of any government office that placed the people over the Party.

You want a TV show, or a radio show, or your job writing syndicated columns, or a chance to sit in the White House press room? That's all been reshuffled according to the pyramid scheme of Bushie power. First Amendment, fourth estate? There's a new world order.



The ultimate subversion lies in denying access to the nobodies, meaning the voters. Both parties can whip 'em up, and drive 'em out, but in the end there's a cloud of smoke at trail's end, and the men up in the office with the glass windows send down the tallies, and the cows don't have much oversight over the counting and weighing.



But people are not commodities. We are not cattle, and those who make this mistake will find that the engine of American democracy, though it may move in its totality quite slowly, moves nonetheless.

Its momentum needs no personality to spark it, or outcry to wake it from some forgetfulness.

It moves, as it has moved for more than two hundred years, and will impersonally push aside those men who would be king in a nation founded on the rights of the individual.

[bleever]

297. The months since the election of 2004 have been, I believe,

unexpectedly abundant with fruit for everyone who saw that election and knew that it had been stolen, and who believed that if people cared, and spoke, and wrote, without regard for the loneliness or ridicule that came with the task, that the resiliency of American democracy was fully capable of containing and eventually expelling this attack on our system of checks and balances, designed to keep power in the hands of We, the People.

Karl Rove's send-off notices have been noticeably absent any mention of, shall we say, election irregularities. The mainstream corporate media is ignoring, for the moment, the questions about whether or not his genius was actually winning difficult elections, or building a way to steal them.

And so, like a frog very slowly unfrozen from a brick of winter mud, we are slow to realize that the arm of the law is, in fact, as long as we always said, and that justice and karma really won't be cheated, even though sometimes we got too tired or angry to keep believing it ourselves.

For this I credit the decency of the American people that built this country and created and defended its Constitution, the blogosphere and certain constellations of talents that have come into view (DU being my home constellation), and people in the corporate-owned media who, like Keith Olbermann and the resurgent Dan Rather, stood their own ground when the Big Muddy got deep.

However, I'm not opening the bottle of champagne at the back of the fridge's bottom shelf. That was not bought for when Karl Rove left the White House. It was for the filing of criminal charges against Karl Rove for either election fraud or leaking a CIA agent's identity.

But that's okay, because my faith in an American justice system that is administered by people who believe in enforcing the laws and the Constitution keeps being rewarded year by year.

That champagne will stay cold until then.

[autorank]

298. I believe...

I believe…

…that when four US Army Sergeants write the most sophisticated NYT OpEd ever on Iraq, the people of the United States are more than ready to know and understand how the forces of fraud and deception have manipulated elections and, as a result, US policy for quite some time. This analysis is a result of the stolen election of 2000 which allowed this illegal and tragic invasion.

The Iraqi government is run by the main coalition partners of the Shiite-dominated United Iraqi Alliance, with Kurds as minority members. The Shiite clerical establishment formed the alliance to make sure its people did not succumb to the same mistake as in 1920: rebelling against the occupying Western force (then the British) and losing what they believed was their inherent right to rule Iraq as the majority. The qualified and reluctant welcome we received from the Shiites since the invasion has to be seen in that historical context. They saw in us something useful for the moment. NYT 8/19/2007 From kpete’s post http://tinyurl.com/2zggmc

[althecat]

299. Chanelling TIA ---- Bush Largest Recorded County Vote Gains over 30,000 increase from 2000 to 2004

Bush Largest Recorded County Vote Gains
over 30,000 increase from 2000 to 2004

				      Change	ChgPct	Bush		
ST	County	Precincts 	BUSH	BUSH	BUSH	Net	Incid	Method
AZ	Maricopa    	1004	57.2%	145,697	27.0%	8.6%	32	 Optical 
CA	LosAngeles    	4963	36.4%	142,610	14.9%	10.6%	36	 Optical 
CA	Riverside    	1093	58.4%	49,812	18.9%	18.7%	2	 DRE
CA	SanDiego    	3568	52.7%	46,329	10.5%	3.7%	9	 Optical 

FL	Brevard    	177	57.9%	37,653	24.6%	13.0%	4	 Optical 
FL	Broward    	618	34.8%	66,376	27.2%	12.7%	56	 DRE
FL	Miami-Dade    	614	46.8%	69,080	19.3%	0.2%	54	 DRE
FL	Duval    	268	57.9%	67,153	30.6%	-1.2%	12	 Optical 
FL	Hillsboro    	320	53.2%	63,846	26.1%	5.6%	21	 DRE

FL	Lee    	         150	60.1%	38,273	26.5%	4.5%	0	 Optical 
FL	Orange    	232	49.7%	57,873	30.1%	2.7%	16	 Optical 
FL	PalmBeach    	531	39.2%	58,943	27.8%	10.1%	88	 DRE
FL	Pasco    	132	54.5%	34,616	33.5%	15.6%	0	 DRE
FL	Pinellas    	345	49.8%	40,804	18.1%	7.1%	6	 DRE
FL	Polk    	163	58.7%	33,237	26.9%	14.4%	5	 Optical 
FL	Seminole    	133	58.2%	32,449	30.0%	6.9%	4	 Optical 

GA	Cobb    	152	62.5%	32,712	18.9%	2.5%	2	 DRE
GA	Gwinnett    	133	66.3%	38,257	23.9%	-0.6%	2	 DRE
HI	Honolulu    	214	48.6%	42,859	29.7%	21.3%	2	 Optical 
IL	Cook    	5016	29.4%	50,230	8.5%	-0.4%	84	 Punch 
IL	Will    	352	52.8%	33,592	26.0%	4.4%	4	 

MI	Macomb    	406	50.4%	37,063	18.4%	6.6%	1	 Lever
MI	Oakland    	608	49.5%	42,285	13.4%	1.3%	10	 Punch 
MI	Wayne    	1511	30.0%	37,960	14.8%	-0.9%	59	 DRE
MO	Shannon    	12	64.3%	242,143	-7.6%	15.7%	2	 Punch 
NV	Clark Co    	677	47.3%	82,500	32.6%	2.7%	24	 DRE

NJ	Bergen    	554	47.8%	34,462	19.3%	18.2%	4	 DRE
NJ	Monmouth    	428	54.7%	42,999	26.6%	25.6%	0	 Lever
NJ	Ocean    	292	60.4%	41,758	29.0%	36.2%	0	 DRE

NY	Brooklyn    	1888	24.8%	67,235	42.9%	38.0%	63	 Lever
NY	Nassau    	1070	46.7%	64,523	23.1%	25.3%	2	 Lever
NY	Queens    	1470	28.0%	41,325	26.4%	21.8%	23	 Lever
NY	Suffolk    	1006	48.8%	77,671	25.7%	19.8%	0	 Lever
NY	Wstchester    	948	40.7%	38,923	25.4%	7.3%	6	 Lever

NC	Wake    	169	51.5%	30,069	17.4%	-6.7%	1	 Optical 
OH	Cuyahoga    	1506	33.2%	30,935	14.3%	-6.8%	75	 Punch 
OH	Franklin    	760	45.9%	41,170	17.6%	-11.3%	82	 DRE
OK	Oklahoma    	273	64.2%	35,629	20.4%	4.3%	0	 Optical 

PA	Allegeny    	1309	42.5%	33,311	12.4%	2.6%	31	 Lever
PA	Bucks    	298	48.6%	31,835	20.7%	2.5%	3	 Lever
PA	Montgmry    	405	44.2%	30,938	18.0%	-2.3%	5	 DRE

TX	Bexar    	626	55.3%	44,226	17.0%	5.0%	6	 DRE
TX	Collin    	127	71.7%	44,854	25.9%	-11.3%	0	 DRE
TX	Denton    	126	70.4%	38,403	27.3%	-4.8%	0	 Paper
TX	Harris    	935	55.1%	54,874	9.5%	-2.6%	37	 DRE
TX	Tarrant    	535	62.8%	62,451	17.9%	1.7%	2	 Optical 

UT	SaltLake    	688	60.5%	38,415	18.4%	0.1%	0	 
WA	King    	2707	34.1%	44,058	15.2%	-7.2%	0	 Optical 
WA	Pierce    	635	48.5%	39,987	27.5%	8.9%	0	 Optical 

[rumpel]

300. Gee, it seems like yesterday,

and then again like ages since this thread started...

Yes, we still believe.

May justice prevail.

:hi:

[bleever]

301. Inspired by Keith Olbermann's Special Comment tonight

about torture as used by the Bush administration, and the inevitable downfall of this regime because of decent, brave, and honest Americans, I wish to affirm once again:

I believe.

I believe that America is better and stronger than the criminals who have corrupted its institutions to impose fascist ideals where We the People better keep our mouths shut.

I believe that America, for all the faults and unresolved moral quandaries and shortcomings, is a virtuous ideal that the world needs, and that through this virtue, it will continue to spread the possibility of freedom from oppression and material poverty. Not through war, cynical double-talk, and corporate piracy disguised under the veneer of stolen slogans, but through generosity, example, and our ability to maintain our ideals even when we must repel parasitic ideologies that may gain temporary sway over our structures and institutions.

Thank you, Mr. Olbermann. Your courage, your eloquence, and the fact that you just plain give a damn about what America stands for is inspiring, and yet further evidence of the fact that we are right to believe.

[althecat]

302. Quite so

[EFerrari]

303. I believe that the theft of our elections woke up citizens all over this nation

and serendipity spread us all over the corruption of our government, broadcast like seed over a warm field.

I believe that nothing can stop the wave of thoughtful reform that will result from that first insult.

I believe.

[bleever]

304. Brilliant.

We who were taught, and who learned, to care about the miracle of representative democracy embodied in the Constitution, subscribed to a miracle which, like life, will prosper in every nook and cranny of whatever seeks to suppress it.

Thank you for the poetry inside the truth.

[YvonneCa]

305. I saw Olbermann...

...too. It takes an amazing level of courage to do what he is doing. He gives voice to so many of us. Bless you, Keith Olbermann. You, too...bleever. :)

[althecat]

306. I believe John Conyers will impeach Dick Cheney and that he will then go to jail....

for a long long time.

[galloglas]

313. Conyers or Cheney??

Been looking at that sentence for a few weeks. Logic tells me it would be Cheney that goes to jail for a long time but I cannot be certain because of sentence construction.

When you wrote I believe John Conyers will impeach Dick Cheney and that he will then go to jail...., I tried to remember what Mssrs. Strunk and White call that construction. It's a... what is it again...? A strangling barnacle? No! A Phalangist article? Naw....

Oh, yeah, a dangling participle, ain't she?

[Ellipsis]

307. Yup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZbvi6Tj6E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNYEQYNjtg&feature=related

[bleever]

308. Going on three years now,

and what started as a whisper has grown into a roar that is going to sweep the neocons out of power, and a democrat into the White House.

Three years ago, it was a matter of faith. Now it's a matter of time.

:thumbsup:

[Ellipsis]

309. 'Tis a snowball.

with Karl Rove and a bunch of other arms and legs stickin' out.

to a dem in the White House.

:toast:

[K Gardner]

310. This post has only had apx 21,000 views. I'm giving another K&R

Well done !!

[Ellipsis]

311. Great Avatar by the way.

"Stars" by MP... a favorite.

[YvonneCa]

326. "Three years ago, it was a matter of faith. Now ...

... it's a matter of time." Eleven more days.
:patriot:

[bleever]

312. Now that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for the Presidency of the United States,

I believe that we are seeing the resiliency of the American dream, and the American people, in action.

Obama spoke very eloquently last night about how the promise of a better future is essential to the very idea of America.

Bush and Cheney have woven a dark spell over this country, making mockeries of its very foundations and turning its most precious documents into idle pieces of paper. The best we could hope for, in the half-world their spell created, was not to be attacked again by enemies who lurk in every shadow and seek to kill us for no rational reason.

To hear Obama speak again to the true ideals of what makes America great was profoundly moving. The reign of witches is coming to an end, and America will be America again.


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[YvonneCa]

315. GObama...

...and I still believe.:patriot:

[MelissaB]

316. I still believe!

:patriot:

[YvonneCa]

327. "The reign of witches is coming to an end,...

... and America will be America again." Great words, bleever. :)

[althecat]

317. Thar she blows........

I believe.

[mod mom]

318. Still believing in the "heart of it all" Ohio.

[bleever]

319. I believe that Ohioans will celebrate as hard as any of us,

after the ignominy that was thrust upon you in 2004.

You're making it right, and I am proud to know people like you, mod mom, and other Ohio DUers.

[mod mom]

320. Thanks, bleever. The sentiment is returned.

:hi: I won't rest until the criminals are punished.

[althecat]

321. Seen this yet. Tis evidence that I believe.

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz

Hi Mod mom.

[jagerbb]

322. I believe here is the ACORN solution

Here's the ACORN voter fraud solution-

http://thejagergazette.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorn-solution-get-your-own-ass-out-to.html

[bleever]

323. I hope the Republicans put all their chips on the ACORN story.

It's an RNC co-ordinated strawman story that won't stand up to scrutiny.

Sure, it will give them something to complain about after Obama wins, but it's a measure of their delusion that they think it's equivalent to the volumes of data from the last three national elections.

They don't get it, and they're busy sharpening a jack knife in preparation for a shooting war.

I, for one, will lend them a knife sharpener.

It's all part of the rotten mantle of manipulation of our electoral system that is doomed to fail.

[autorank]

324. I believe that ACORN is totaly innocent.

And I agree with you. It's a ringer. ACORN was attacked on 2004 and 2006 and they prevailed. This is nonsense but there's great value in the charges. Last gasp of DOJ's "voter fraud" scam.

There could be ringers, which wouldn't surprise me, but no ACORN higher ups would risk this, none of them.

Excellent point.

[jagerbb]

325. Why Obama will win

I believe Obama will win because of his campaign strategy

http://thejagergazette.blogspot.com/2008/10/monday-morning-jab-why-obama-will-win.html

[althecat]

328. I believe and I support this petition to the media....

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=835

[greenmutha]

329. I believe, bleev!

NGU! :toast:

[Kurovski]

330. I was just thinking about this thread, and here it is.

I believe.

[bleever]

331. Ask and ye shall receive,

though you may also have to work your ass off. :hi:

[Rabia]

332. And this is their latest effort.....

I am as concerned about protecting the US homeland and the lives of American citizens and residents as any conservative, or other American. But the latest McCain camp negative ad strategy doesn't primarily come out of a concern for national security. It instead shows up as intent upon defeat of e the opposition by any means deemed necessary, including lies.

If you visit the site you'll see two videos displayed that illustrate what the article describes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/29/mccain-making-last-ditch_n_138969.html

Article transcript:

McCain's Last Ditch Effort: Tying Obama To Muslim World
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com October 29, 2008 04:31 PM


John McCain's campaign is making what appears to be a final, full-throated effort to paint Barack Obama as a sympathizer with the Muslim world. In the process they are putting out into the public domain as many images as possible of Obama's face cast over a map of the Middle East.

The latest salvo came Wednesday afternoon, when the Republican nominee released a web ad placing Obama's visage in front of an outline of Iran, and presenting aspects of the Senator's foreign policy alongside music traditionally associated with a Muslim call to prayer.

"Obama doesn't have preconditions but Iran does. Iran, whose president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel must be wiped off the map. Iran demands that the U.S. must cease its support of Israel and that all U.S. military forces must leave the Middle East, meaning we abandon Iraq, Turkey and Kuwait. What will Obama do? Will he admit he was wrong or will he accept Iran's demands?'

The spot seems designed either to frighten voters away from Obama or confuse them into thinking the Illinois Democrat is more comfortable supporting Iranian interests than domestic concerns. The campaign put it out on the web, where provocative items are placed mainly to grab the media attention.

Indeed, the Republican ticket has been subtly pushing this line for days now. As the Huffington Post reported on Tuesday, the Republican Party of Florida is sending out a new mailer that places the Illinois Democrat's face right over a map of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. It accuses him of being "dangerously unprepared" and "no friend of Israel."

Hours earlier, the McCain campaign had taken the step of reissuing an old campaign ad (for what purpose, it isn't clear) that declared Obama had once called the threat from Iran: "tiny."

Additionally, McCain officials have been howling over video of a party attended by Obama and Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, an outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights. The story has been fueled by revelations that the Los Angeles Times has video footage of that party which the paper is refusing to release (citing an agreement with the providing source). But, as Seth Colter Walls reported, McCain has ties of his own to that very professor.

"During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars."

Taken together, the ads, flier and new line of attack seem designed to paint Obama as, at best too weak to handle the dangers of the Arab world or at worst, an 'outsider' in his own right. It is an attack that has followed Obama around since the early months of the primary and seems likely to continue to the day of the election.

[Ellipsis]

333. Wassup! I Believe, True, True.

Wassup 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE


Wassup Original
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GWrrTpJ1eU&feature=related






.

[bleever]

334. Three and a half years ago we started this thread,

and now, three days from taking back our government, we see the evidence of the theft of the 2004 election continuing to grow, and the momentum to reveal the truth continuing to build.

We breathed deep, we got mad, and we did whatever we could to see justice prevail. We're not there yet; the crimes of this regime extend far beyond their theft of the White House. But we've come an incredibly long way.

What was once considered tin-foil hat conspiracy theory is now so close to common knowledge that major news networks are covering election integrity issues every day, and providing their own hotlines for reporting voting problems. The question of whether or not people's votes will be counted is on everyone's minds.

America's eyes are open.


I believe.

[DemReadingDU]

335. I believe too!

edit: Do you remember that video from 4 years ago that showed the election being stolen in Ohio, people standing in the rain, for hours and hours? Is there a copy somewhere? Thanks!

[texpatriot2004]

337. After all this time, almost 4 years, I still believe. I'm holding my

breath, waiting to exhale once Obama is elected. I can barely breathe right now. I am hopeful. I am nervous. I wonder if it will be a fair election like the ones I used to know? I wonder if it will be a landslide for Democrats?

I am so thrilled that in just a short period of time, this nightmare of the * Administration will be over and we can get on to the business of indicting and imprisoning this criminal cabal.

Thanks Bleever for keeping the faith and for keeping this thread alive all this time.

[bleever]

338. The national awareness of the question of the integrity of the vote

is amazing!

Even more amazing: the awareness and competence of the Obama campaign regarding election fraud. Inside info from a fellow DUer involved in Obama's Ohio election protection efforts indicates that every t will be crossed, every i will be dotted, and that the lessons of 2000 and 2004 have not been ignored by this campaign.

I'm proud of people like you, texpat, who've kept this thread alive, and kept alive the hope and belief that in the face of a monumental crime, justice would triumph.

:patriot:

[texpatriot2004]

342. "Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they

shall have their fill." Matthew 5:6

I am a believer Bleever. I believe in landslides and I am very grateful for this one. I am more hopeful and feel more secure knowing that Obama and Biden will be in charge. They will inherit quite a mess, but at least they are capable of handling these challenges.

I believe in Howard Dean's 50 state strategy. I am proud of America for the first time since 1999 and I am certainly proud of the Democrats.

[bleever]

343. Best wishes tonight

to you, texpat, and everyone who nourished the smallest flame of hope and belief when we were the most defeated.

There's so much more to be done, but we know it can be done.

[merh]

345. I Believe!

N.G.U. :patriot:



I was hoping you would start a new one of these for the GD forums. ;)

(((((bleever))))))) <<<< my most favorite believer :hug: :loveya:

[texpatriot2004]

346. Yes it can. Yes we can. Peace be with you Bleever. nm

[Kurovski]

339. I believe that it is actually Obama who is the "First Dude",

With no other dudes before him.

[Mister Ed]

340. Proud to kick this thread one more time

It's been a long four years of darkness. I do believe the dawn is breaking.

[althecat]

341. I believe

[demodonkey]

344. I believe we still have a lot of work to do.

Even with this historic election, we still have far too many people voting on unverifiable touchscreen and pushbutton DREs.

Even with this historic election, we still have far too many people facing disenfranchisement by poor registration practices along with outright deliberate methods of taking them off and keeping them off the voter rolls.

Even with this historic election, we still have far too many people facing deceptive and hostile practices when they do make it to the polls and try to vote.

I believe we still have a lot of work to do.

[Pooka Fey]

347. Thank you, Bleever. Thanks for this post.

[keepthemhonest]

348. Are you guys still hangin" round her bleevin still.?...

Good job looks like we finally bleeved it enough to get a President we can bleev'in again.

Woohoo.I miss all of you guys but I don't miss the old days of oppression and when it really was a"democratic underground" here.
Free at last free at last... you know the rest.

[YvonneCa]

349. I believe Obama is President-elect because...

...we 'bleevers' never gave up. Thanks for this thread and for everyone here who never gave up. Now it's time to get to work and make this country right.

[bleever]

350. Truth endures.

With the suspicious death of Mike Connell, there has been some discussion of whether or not we will ever really know what happened in the 2004 election, as well as others in which he played a role for his party.

But I believe that the need for justice is so deeply felt by so many people that events like this will only serve to redouble the efforts of those who want the truth to be known, and justice to be done.

We have a new president, but we can't really claim victory without restoring the integrity of the rule of law, of our elections, and of the Constitution.

One man may be dead, but the truth endures.

[Ellipsis]

351. ...It's called "Daisy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukeHdiszZmE&feature=related




Time to shut em down.

[kster]

352. Pilots if they take control of your plane, cut both engines manually

and try a water landing, its your only way out. Hats off to the Hudson crew!

Hand Count the Ballots at the precinct!

Were gonna win!

I'm a bleever! :)

[bleever]

353. I do believe

that starting today, America can be America again.

Thank you. God bless you all, and God bless the United States of America.

[althecat]

354. I Believe also

[New Earth]

355. haha I can't believe this thread is still around!

I definitely don't miss the 'old days' in this forum, but I miss all the names here! :hi:

(oh, PS - I was Faye back then) :hi:

[Wilms]

356. Hey! It's ELECTION Fraud, not Voter Fraud!

Just sayin'.

:hi:

[New Earth]

357. haha

that's still my sig line :D :hi:

[Ellipsis]

358. I believe J.B.Van Hollen is Vrary Vrary quiet right now.