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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:22 AM
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Questions Raised About Electoral Reform Donations
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Questions Raised About Electoral Reform Donations

Submitted by ZeroCool on Tue, 05/31/2005 - 12:41am.

Investigations

On November 3, 2004, presidential candidate John Kerry delivered a speech in which he conceded the election of the day before to his opponent, George W. Bush. Despite his concession, supporters of Mr. Kerry and various 3rd-party candidates angrily demanded a number of recounts on the basis of alleged problems reported with the election, notably in the key states of Florida and Ohio which ultimately decided the election result, as well as in other states including New Hampshire and New Mexico. One organization in particular, Help America Recount, was conceived and founded within a week of Mr. Kerry's concession. They raised a substantial sum of money -- upwards of $200,000 by some reports -- the sole purpose of which was, according to their web site, "to provide support for and citizen financing of presidential ballot recounts, election contests and lawsuits to audit the 2004 election1." We have just one question: what did they actually do with the money?

Background

Help America Recount is the brain child of Joan Krawitz2, co-founder of the National Ballot Integrity Project. It was set up with the assistance of Lowell Finley3, the attorney for Black Box Voting -- an organization now thought by many to be fraudulent. It appears that BBV's involvement was not, however, limited to furnishing an attorney.

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http://blackboxwatchdog.com/node/4

Thanks to elehhhhna for posting the GD discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3802744
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:39 AM
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1. Per my post in GD re: the website admin
"Jean-Claude Van Camme"

http://www.sunnyslut.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=198

Not sure if everyone remembers www.camlives.com but it was another "gossip" site basically started to piss off DrT/Jimmy and WebPig. There was tons of speculation as to who "JC VanCamme" really was, but to my knowledge it was never revealed.

WebPig cornered them by claiming that it was really him behind the site, which Jimmy has verified wasn't true and it was all a ploy to get the person behind Cam Lives to reveal themselves in protest.

To this day, no one knows who was behind the site and I would LOVE to unveil who it was in the book and settle it once and for all in the chapter on gossip sites.

If anyone knows who was really behind the site but has been silent until now, I would appreciate it if someone filled me in or got the person behind it to fill me in themselves. Of course, I'll need proof if JC reveals him or herself but I figure an e-mail from the <email> address stating the truth would suffice.



And this:
http://camlives.com/comments.php?op=commentShow&tid=1140&sid=22&pid=1138&mode=thread&order=0&thold=


Smells like a smear campaign to me. Esp. considering it was posted in the Diebold message board on Yahoo.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:30 PM
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2. wouldn't you expect this?
If someone was doing an investigation into electronic voting fraud and stolen elections, wouldn't you EXPECT Karl Rove and whoever to launch an investigation into their financials? I would. That's what they do. If someone is getting close to uncovering something you did, launch an investigation. Discredit them. Say they're doing it just to sell books. This does not surprise me at all, and it does not make me any more or less suspect of BBV. You have to take the whole thing from a larger perspective. All sides have questionable histories. There are outsiders trying to disrupt our work, but causing infighting. Don't let them succeed.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:16 PM
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3. Interesting as it comes out just as hedda_foil launches her new site...
The discrediting original post refers to her by name.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:28 PM
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4. Be sure to check out elehhhhna's GD Post.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:34 PM
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5. I saw it before I saw yours,
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 01:36 PM by Ojai Person
which is why I found yours somewhat surprising.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:39 PM
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6. What was surprising? n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:44 PM
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7. That it was posted with no qualifiers, other than reference to
the GD thread at the end.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:54 PM
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8. Good. That was my aim. (Note the "news" icon.)
I posted the story link, and the GD link, and offered no opinion.

I treat these things the same as I treat posts on the Daily Thread. (You'll see the exact post there.)

In fact, I don't often read through these articles. I'm too busy being among the few making contributions to the Daily Thread.

I don't opine on the OP of a "news" item. I just link to the reports.


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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:40 PM
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11. Slander should not be reported as news--especially from a bogus
organization with a website.

Thanks for explaining your reasoning, nonetheless.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:15 PM
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12. Okey Doke
cc: elehhhhna with that, too. I'd hate to see them post a story again and go through this.

Here's the PM.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=send_mesg&u_id=146538
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:30 PM
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9. I posted a complete response for Help America Recount
On the other thread and at that Smearboat site as well. Anybody who's interested, check at the other thread above.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:47 PM
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10. Allow me, Hedda.
Submitted by J Krawitz on Tue, 06/07/2005 - 1:38pm

This really sucks to have to respond to, but I suppose it's not surprising given Bev Harris' behavior over the past several months. Help America Recount was totally unrelated organizationally to Bev Harris or Black Box Voting, as was Audit the Vote, an organization that involved literally hundreds of activists.

The donation plea that you posted was from the BBV site, not Help America Recount's, as you seemed to indicate. Bev posted this shortly after the election, which we appreciated very much at the time. She was not involved in setting up or running the organization. In fact she had nothing whatsoever to do with our organization, website, or anything else beyond the following:

Initially (early November) we thought she might be able to contribute evidence to obtain a recount in Florida. However, she had nothing of sufficient substance and did not communicate with anyone, including Lowell Finley, from mid-November until January. She did mention us on one radio interview before that time, and Andy mentioned us in another the second week after the election. That was helpful, as everyone, including us, still had a great deal of faith in Bev back then, but it did not amount to an organizational relationship in any way. Blackboxvoting was listed as an ally on the site because at the time HARF was formed, we considered her an ally. Here's our list of allies from the site. BBV is included because we did consider her an ally at the time. However, we had a great deal more to do with the other groups on the list:

Common Cause
www.VotersUnite.org
AudittheVote.org
National Ballot Integrity Project
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Public Citizen
National Voice
BlackBoxVoting.org
VoteWatch.org

In fact, I worked with Common Cause Florida to put together a group of Common Cause Volunteers who were willing to pick up all of the information that Bev had filed for in every county in the state. I put together a training package for these people, and spent a considerable amount of time trying to make it happen. Bev decided that she wouldn't allow this despite her initial willingness to do so. She never notified either us or Common Cause about that, though. This took place in mid-November, and was our last contact with Bev.

Lowell Finley is her attorney for cases involving BBV. He is not the business attorney for BBV. He is an election law attorney period, and the only one int the country with extensive knowledge of the entire electronic voting issue. Beyond that, he is passionately dedicated to the cause.

He acted as general counsel for Help America Recount, which not only filed for the recount in NM, but spent ten weeks in the state and prepared and filed 5 different lawsuits to obtain a recount for less than the $600,000 the state decided to demand in advance, despite the fact that the law required only the $114,000 in advance and the entire recount should not have cost more than $350,000.

HARF also literally ran and paid for the entire recount operation in New Mexico at the request of Mr Cobb and Mr. Badnarik. The recount operation had to be up and running from the day we filed until the final suit failed, and had to employ several people in state to do so, as well as identifying and training several hundred volunteer poll watchers, because we had to be ready on a moment's notice if any of the very well documented lawsuits succeeded.

You must not have gone beyond the home page of our website, as there are two large sectinos of the site which are devoted to New Mexico. They are at http://www.helpamericarecount.org/nm1.html and http://www.helpamericarecount.org/election.html

The recount didn't go forward after the Supreme Court ruled that it would cost $600,000 in advance, but not for lack of a lot of incredibly hard work on the part of a lot of people, including two local attorneys. Lowell is an excellent attorney, who has an incredible amount of knowledge and passion for getting rid of the damn paperless machines. The man literally drove himself to exhaustion in New Mexico.

We wound up returning $150,000 in donations to large donors when the recounts did not go forward. Every other penny was spent in furtherance of obtaining and supporting recounts in New Mexico and Ohio. The home page of our site says this:

The Help America Recount Fund is a 527 organization affiliated with the Audit the Vote network and National Ballot Integrity Project, a consortium of national, state and local organizations committed to the transparency and integrity of our elections. The sole purpose of the Help America Recount Fund is to provide support for and citizen financing of presidential ballot recounts, election contests and lawsuits to audit the 2004 election. The Help America Recount Fund is a not-for-profit organization, and is not affiliated with any political party.

Raise Funds for Recounts
Recounts cost money. States charge large sums of money for recounting elections that have already been counted by vendors' software . even if it has demonstrated major inaccuracies in the vote count. The Help America Recount Fund serves as a central clearing house for the funds needed to support election recounts and audits of the 2004 Presidential race. We provide funds where needed depending on the specific election laws of each state.

Legal Strategy and Groundwork
Currently, we are on the ground coordinating and assisting with recount strategy, and groundwork in Ohio and New Mexico. Our legal team has spent more than 100 hours in Florida, analyzing documentation from key Counties and developing strategies to further investigate and act upon the pattern of vote counting and tabulation irregularities reported there. Documented reports in several additional states reveal similar patterns of anomalies; Help America Recount is coordinating with grass roots efforts in as many of these states as possible.

Support and Organization
Help America Recount is working to coordinate, train and supply volunteer observers, as well as lawyers, computer experts, statisticians, coordinators, and other support personnel to ensure that recounts and audits are properly conducted under careful monitoring procedures in every state where recounts of the 2004 presidential race take place.

Strategies and Public Awareness
Help America Recount facilitates getting the right information to affiliated organizations, news services, and journalists in order to get the information out to the public.

That is precisely what we did and precisely where the funds went. Every penny was properly accounted for.

Audit the Vote is a completely separate organization that had no relationship to Bev and did not collect funds for the recounts. It worked primarily on media and public outreach.

Help America Recount was a 527 organization because it could affect the outcome of an election (didn't but could have). Neither Help America Recount nor Audit the Vote is currently active. Thanks for reminding me that I'm still paying for the HARF website through my personal bank account and not getting reimbursed for it. It should have come down months ago.

I hope this satisfies your curiousity. Whatever Bev may or may not be doing with funding she received after the election, has no bearing at all on the work of HARF or vice versa.

Joan Krawitz

http://blackboxwatchdog.com/node/4?PHPSESSID=5aea7bc43d76e4dcd98d6169063434f6#comment-1

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