Dirty Ohio ..... smoking gun???? ..... and the media will cover this when?

[Botany]

Reports by Bob Fritakis that he now has a contractor on record that he installed computers in Ken Blackwell's office that had were interactive with central vote tabulators @ county sites around the state. This would have allowed remote access and manipulation of the vote totals. Blackwell himself is on record in March of '04 saying that he was now interactive with all BOEs. Something stinks about this ...... the vote data should have a one way flow to it ...... votes totals from machines into central tabulators and then on to the Sec. of State's office for final tabulation. Except for telling the tabulators that the office computers were on line and ready to receive the data why would they need interactive access with the tabulators? It now appears "back doors" might have been put into the tabulators hardware and or software that would allow remote access and manipulation of the data without leaving any "finger prints."

This could explain how Miami County, Ohio had 19,000 votes added to it's total after the polls closed (voting machines were shut down). It had to have been down @ the tabulator level. Also the 19,000 votes loaded had the exact same percentage of Kerry votes as all the previous votes recorded in Miami County ..... a mathematical impossibility. This was covered on Pg # 58 and 59 of the Conyers report.

This information needs to get to Dr. Dean and out to the American People so
we can demand paper trails and verifiable voting and take our country back.

[liberal N proud]

1. The media will never cover this.

They consider the election fraud a done deal and have forgotten about it.
The only way to get coverage is to bring the evidence into a court of law and we all know that will never happen in this state.

[AuntiBush]

3. The Same Media that Laughed w/* abt "No WMD Over Here..."

No wonder they've been labeled "WHORES!"

[AuntiBush]

2. There is SO MUCH Evidence 2000/2004 Elections Were Stolen

I feel so sorry for Congressman Conyers and the House Dem's. They along w/the Green and Libertarian party leaders are "trying" to get the info out and other's turn their head and laugh.

:banghead:

[Conker]

7. Has Dean been trying to get the info out?

[ladjf]

9. Dean has been busy making cute , snide remarks about Delay

while stating that we need to stay in Iraq. He ought to be jumping on the voter fraud and DSM, serious crimes by the Republicans. I'm not too happy with his performance so far.

[Botany]

10. I did hear that "they" have a white hot report on the ....

..... stolen election coming out soon. I just hope he gets this information
and checks it out thoroughly ...... 19,000 votes loaded after the polls close .....
that alone should be enough to prove that the election was a fraud ......

[ladjf]

17. Don't get me wrong. I have been and still am a believer that

Dean is good for the Country. But, lately, he's begin to sound a bit like the middle of the road guys. I think that he needs to quit obsessing about Delay and start thinking about election fraud, the DSM and the possibility of MIHOP.

[AuntiBush]

23. Poor Dean. He's so busy... Will be in D.C. Next Tue. Want to go.

Not bad on the ticket price: Free, I believe or 50.00. I certainly would love to attend. He's so busy on the road "for us - " Now that's a true Democrat leader.

I don't know the answer to your question. Hopefully someone else out here does, but knowing Dean...:)

[mod mom]

4. Look at the ridiculous results from post # 86 on this DU link:

link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=378950&mesg_id=378950

Look at Lucas County (Dvid Cobb vs John Kerry) and Hamilton County! Definitely some manipualtion going on!

[Botany]

5. Yes I saw them ......

.... thank you. I just think with the DSM and coingate in Ohio now is "our
chance" to try to get this info out.

[mod mom]

12. Add this to the equation: Rigging the Vote by RH Phillips

Add this RHP report regarding the election:


RIGGING THE VOTE IN LUCAS COUNTY

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
Revised December 24, 2004

-snip-

The very first thing we all noticed when examining the precinct
canvass records for Lucas County was the distribution of turnout.
The range is striking, and turnout is distinctly higher in the
Bush precincts than in the Kerry precincts. In some precincts
the reported turnout is too high to be credible.


-snip-

Turnout above 90% is almost unheard of. I have examined the
canvass records in eight other Ohio counties and have seen
reported turnout above 90% only in two precincts in Miami County
where, in my professional opinion, the election was hacked.
Miami and Lucas counties are also the only two counties whose
records I have examined that used optical scanning machines, as
confirmed by the map posted at

verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Ohio



Altogether there were 63 precincts in Toledo with less than 60%
reported turnout. All of them were won overwhelmingly by John
Kerry. The vote in the aggregate was 19,353 to 4,247, more than
4.5 to 1. But look at the distribution, or more precisely, the
concentration. Of the 8 precincts with less than 50% reported
turnout, 4 are located in 2 wards. Of the 29 precincts with less
than 55% reported turnout, 20 are located in 4 wards, and 24 are
located in 6 wards. Of the 63 precincts with less than 60%
reported turnout, 34 are located in 4 wards, 39 are located in
5 wards, and 43 are located in 6 wards.

/web.northnet.org/minstrel/toledo.htm

[AllyCat]

6. Old news for our media is anything that would be too much work

Hardwork is reserved for BushCo who has clearly cornered the market.

Any chance you have a link for some of this? I'd love to read it. And weep.

[Botany]

8. Post # 4 has a link ..... the screen captures are amazing .....

.... i do not know if they are legit but they are damning.

this link too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3893193

I really feel if we can get this information out this could be along
w/ the DSM and coingate that we can take bush down.

Although i thought the gay hooker in the White House, the AWOL,
the pet goat 9/11 story, the ...... :rofl: would take him out ......

Come DU swim those refreshing water of De Nile ... watch out for the
Crocs!

[mod mom]

13. How do we find out about the authencity of the screen captures?

Look both at Lucas and Hamilton counties!

[jsamuel]

22. You ask me, i took them :P

They are authentic. Period. I am the one who took them. Period.

[Up2Late]

11. Wow, that sounds big. I really think we have to stop hoping that...

the MSM will cover things like this and instead, turn to our new friends in the On-Line media to help break this sort of thing. It seems like lately, the "MSM" is following the lead of the Web Based Media.

Remember the website Scoop.co.nz, well I just found out that one of their contributors is active here at DU. Plus we also have someone from RawStory, BradBlog, Will Pitt from Truthout, and probably a few others I don't know about. Here's a list of who I know:

althecat -- from Scoop.co.nz

These names I know, but don't know exactly how they are written in order to email them.

BradBlog
la_la_Raw_Raw
Will Pitt

[samdogmom]

14. I just want someone I know to believe me before I die!

So far all of my talk about the stolen 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections has fallen on deaf ears. Even my closest liberal friends are very hesitant to go there. They simply can't believe such a thing is possible in our country. Most people who know me think I've gone off the deep end. Why is this so clear to me and not to others?

The proof I've seen is compelling. As far as I'm concerned, there's something wrong if you don't believe the past three elections were stolen. I truly hope someone thinks this latest revelation is important!

[Botany]

15. Send it on to Dr. Dean ......

.... find a name of a contact person on his staff ..... ask for
answers .......


BTW I feel the way you do ... on 11/3/04 I went to the state HQs
in Ohio for the Dems with proof of a hack into a voter fraud
reporting hotline ..... and i was treated as if I had 4 heads and
I was a crazy street person .... write it down and we will get back in
touch with you .... they never did.

[AllyCat]

16. Can I blame innumeracy?

I think the majority of people feel they are bad with math and numbers. They look at things like "statistical improbability" and "numerical anomolies" and they get all queasy inside and think "let someone else figure it out". Then they forget about it, even when someone does figure it out.

People feel it will be too difficult to understand. That's one reason. The other is the complete media blackout on the subject.

[donkeyotay]

19. Hang in there, samdogmom

"So far all of my talk about the stolen 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections has fallen on deaf ears."

The next thing they'll be saying is, "I knew it all along..."
:hi:

[LightningFlash]

18. This is just like no WMD you see....

No fraud, nothing to see here. How about we scream down Howard Dean's ear to begin the battle engines?

http://www.democrats.org

[AtLiberty]

20. I beg to differ...

"...the vote data should have a one way flow to it ...... votes totals from machines into central tabulators and then on to the Sec. of State's office for final tabulation..."

Vote data shouldn't have any flow to central tabulators. Central tabulators can be easily hacked. Blackwell could have easily manipulated the tallies via another source; he didn't need direct access.

[jsamuel]

21. SCREEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MMMM!!!!!!

I caught it on bmp/jpeg

http://comp.uark.edu/~jsamuel/ohioElectionProblem.jpg

and

http://comp.uark.edu/~jsamuel/ohioElectionHamilton.jpg

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[jsamuel]

25. i live in central time zone, so it would have been mor like 10:40 eastern

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[snot]

26. KICK nt

[autorank]

28. Great post Botany...this says it all. Do these people know anything

about network and host security. Any high schooler in my area knows you don't do this. It's like giving the Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange the ability to change the big board whenever he/she feels like it. Crazy stuff, pathetic, criminal.

[donkeyotay]

29. Way back there was a hearing on using computerized voting

I came across a transcript after a google on Tod. A. Rapp; he was one of the experts who testified. The conclusion was that computerized voting could be safe, but it depended on the computers being certified and sequestered for the election - no one should have access to them after they were certified.