Question for all of you experts out there

[FreedomAngel82]

I haven't been following too much on things except when something is reported and I don't know numbers or anything like that. I was watching the pbs documentary from Frontline called "The Architech" on Karl Rove. You can see it here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/

The first part is very very telling about the exit polls. What do you think? Here's my post on this:

I'm watching the first part and on election day. According to the person telling the story from the Washington Post he said they had the feeling they were losing. Laura was gripping his hand like she never had before and the girls looked like they were at a funeral and everybody around them. He said he thought it was going to be him winning and that it would be good for the country if it ended that night so he could continue to lead (always about you isn't it Georgie??). Some were quite nervous on the Bush team on if he could pull it off. The Kerry people were very confident and optimstic. Rove knew it would be close and began to lighten the mood. "Republican areas turned out all over the country." Rove recieved bad news on Air Force One. Kerry was winning by a big margin (57% Kerry and Bush 43%). They were losing Florida and Ohio and Pennsylvania and South Carolina. They were looking at the same exit polls and still solid Kerry and Ohio and Florida are going his way.
The Kerry staff called Kerry "Mr. President." Kerry was sent to clean up and shave for his acceptance speech. They were crunching up numbers at the White House. If the base was turning out to vote the polls were wrong. They weren't that wrong (republicans did vote for Kerry like my mother and my grandparents by the way). They all put a face up to Bush that everything was fine. Rove had a system to key in systems for real time results. He set up a whole "war room" at the campaign and getting tracking polling and their OWN system and returns. The campaign headquarters contracted the exit polls. Did this group ask democrats or people in general or just their base? That's what I want to know. It went 9-11 it went to a celebration. The next morning Kerry conceded and Bush was re-elected and Rove was giving a new title "The Architect". His hand was in all of it. For hours, exit polls were indicating that John F. Kerry was the likely new president. But Karl Rove knew otherwise. He had his own numbers, and they dramatically contradicted the exit polls.

[notadmblnd]

1. we'll give it a kick in the AM if no one responds tonight

or when ever I get up :hi:

[notadmblnd]

4. kick

:kick:

[eek]

2. too beat to get into it but

that night my friend was getting txts from a friens in Fox and - i forgety but another big b=nerwsroom and the msgs were about how dour everyone was at these places.

Then we started to see how every state was in but Ohio - prob more but i specially remember ohio - was taking an unduly long time to gett the results in compared to most states.

'That's when Iu knew the fix was in.

[oldtime dfl_er]

3. I haven't seen this show you're talking about

But I am fairly well convinced it went beyond numbers crunching. Why isn't anyone investigating the Ohio precinct that went into lockdown under some phony terrorist threat? Or is someone investigating that, and I just don't know about it?
This election was stolen. But Rove reminds me of Al Capone -- they couldn't pin larceny on him either. But eventually he was pinned on a tax evasion charge or somesuch. Wouldn't it rock if Patrick Fitzgerald's granddad was named Eliot Ness?

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/702950

[notadmblnd]

5. in this program

it actually says that Karl had a program that allowed him to connect directly to the polls. I had heard he was number crunching too.. but I thought that the polls were not connected to any kind of network?

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Yes it did

Here's the program: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view

[Kip Humphrey]

7. Rove had a connection directly to the polls and he had his ow numbers

to change the vote and ensure Bush won. The election was stolen big time.

[kster]

8. "Eliot Ness" is what Fox called him

in this article from 2003, article says a lot about this Fitzgerald.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107018,00.html

CHICAGO — U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald (search) has sent corrupt politicians and members of Usama bin Laden's (search) terrorist network to prison.

Now Chicago's top federal prosecutor takes his reputation as a tough, aggressive crime buster to Washington and the politically sensitive job of trying to find out who leaked the name of a CIA operative to a columnist.

Those who know him say the 43-year-old transplanted New Yorker and avowed political independent has the right temperament for the job.

"Elliot Ness with a Harvard law degree and a sense of humor," James Comey, the Justice Department's No. 2 official, told reporters Tuesday after announcing that Attorney General John Ashcroft was recusing himself from the investigation.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. So now

John Ashcroft is being looked at? Can Fitzgerald look at the 2004 election?

[Time for change]

10. It wasn't just "for hours" that the exit polls indicated a Kerry victory

The final exit polls indicated Kerry ahead by 3.0% nationally and by 4.2% in Ohio.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Yes

So he did still it. :mad: