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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:28 AM
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Audacity
I just noted that someone has posted the latest from Bev Harris, complete with a link for donations.

Why would anyone believe Harris is entitled to solicit any money when she has not accounted for what she did with over a MILLION dollars that she raised (with all sorts of promises of "smoking guns") in the last two months of 2004.

I know some of it went to harass Andy Stephenson. Some was supposed to go for FOIA requests to all 3,000+ counties in the US.

When will the "foundation" file its official tax documents to account for all the money?

It is in incredibly poor taste for ANY person to come to this board and solicit ANY type of assistance for Bev Harris.

Thanks to the mods for locking the thread. I would request they edit the message to DELETE the solicitation for funds and the donation link.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:32 AM
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1. Yes, that was unpleasant, wasn't it??
:eyes:

Even when Andy was working for her, I could not donate because of what she had done to you. It stuck in my craw.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:34 AM
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2. Just to be fair...
newer members may not know the history of DU and Bev. I agree that asking for donations for her is audacious, and I can support the call to edit that out of the post. But DUers who don't know the history can still be taken in by her rhetoric.

Of course, if this is a longtime DUer, they ought to know better.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:52 AM
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4. Well, the poster
has 1000+ posts and has been on about a year.

This person should know.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:34 AM
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3. I agree.
I also got an email from bbbev last night on the same fund-raising scheme. When I responded immediately to be "unsubscribed" from her email list, she wrote me right back asking if I was asking to be removed because I was no longer involved in the election reform arena.

I didn't respond, and won't, directly to her. But yes, I am still involved in the election reform movement -- just not with the snake-oil salesmen (and women) who hound our good warriors to death. And then ask for more money for more of the same.

You're right -- where is all this research that BBV is supposed to have done? I keep hearing about the Florida dumpster-diving. Hell, that was nine months ago. If BBV really has a Board of Directors, it's time they showed up and shut her up.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:29 AM
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5. Her behavior is atrocious!
Not even a momentary pause in her "promotion of Bev."

What's truly sad is that her "Vote Remote" was discovered by VotersUnite's John Gideon and she's using HIS work with her name on it, as if she discovered the issue.

Not one word crediting John Gideon.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:48 AM
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6. Gee, where have I seen that before?
Bev's modus operandi from day one.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:05 PM
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9. Yep......
and the same goes for her doing EXACTLY that which she complains about.

The weekly rant last week was "people using HER work without giving BBV credit."

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:58 AM
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7. But haven't you heard?...
Bev proved that if a computer expert is given unfettered access to a Diebold Op Scanner, memory card and GEMS server, he could switch votes around and print funny messages in the results reports! Imagine that.

And Bev said that paper ballots can be hand counted too!

That's money well spent isn't it?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:04 PM
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8. But, but, but
We're all supposed to be sooooooo ashamed that her "computer expert" came from overseas because no US computer experts would step up to the plate.

Of course, we're also supposed to ignore the fact that BBV has pilloried all the computer experts in the US as moles and plants for Diebold.

:sarcasm:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:17 PM
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10. Yeah, but I noticed she mentioned
Doug Jones, one of the people she accused of filing a "qui tam" for personal gain, when in fact it was her and her toady, Jim March, who had filed such a suit.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:01 PM
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11. It's dismaying to find out all this stuff.
When I saw Bev Harris at the Sacramento Diebold/ESS hearing, I did not know the full story. Only after reading the 'Stalking of Andy' did I come to realize what the history was.
The expert that testified for them seemed credible, if not perfectly understandable. Jim March seemed a bit wild-looking and somewhat inarticulate to be a leader in the vote reform movement. In fact, the most moving testimony came from regular-looking citizens unallied with any of the reform groups. I was one of the people ready to rush the stage when Wood called security on Bev's investigator (Kathleen Wynne), but truth be told, she had not lined up with the other expert witnesses early in the day.
As I was leaving the Secretary of State's office, Bev and Jim were hanging around outside. I called out to Bev: "Hey, Bev! I sent you money!" in a friendly fashion, and she looked startled and oddly disturbed by this. Now, I kinda know why.
I wish we had more high-profile integrity at the top of this. It is sad that the DNC and other prominent Democrats are so distant from this issue. Most of the really intelligent and well-read people I know accept election fraud as fact, but are battling the despair I think all of us have experienced. We're not used to the United States being made a fascist theocracy by nefarious means -- and it takes time and trauma to grow Abbie Hoffmans. (Is that a bad example? Not to me.) The voices I hear in this forum are the clearest and most intelligent of all. The new Crisis Papers on the front page today is powerful and relevant to this issue. The Democratic Underground has become utterly important to the future of this nation. But --
No American has ever faced this reality, not in all of history. For all precedents that could be cited, the links fail in the face of both scope and nature of this beast. Bev Harris seems to be a bad egg, and yet she also seems to be the nominal face. Let's hope time heals this one, somehow.
Anybody have a central link for the 'story' of BBV? I'm still fuzzy on certain things.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:10 PM
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12. Here are a couple:
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 03:15 PM by Kelvin Mace
The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188
(please note that "Bailley77" who tries to "rebut" various statements is, in fact, Bev herself).


Another Bev Harris Fabrication?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=341617

The answer to how much money Bev Harris really made thanks to Randi Rhodes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3246549&mesg_id=3246549

Don't despair, the fight goes on, *without* Bev and her minions.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:51 AM
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13. 3000+ FOIA requests...
Early this year, Bev was soliciting the donation of a high-speed scanner in order to scan and post the FOIA materials. She got a scanner.

Thus far, eight months after the election, she has posted a few documents from ten precincts in ONE county... ONE.

After plenty of hard-push solicitation of donations to obtain and post these documents, that's what there is to show for your donations. Virtually NOTHING.


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