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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:08 AM
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If you could question Diebold officials, what would you ask?
I just got the following note from one of our local election reform members here in the Orange State. She asked me to help identify questions to ask of a Diebold representative who is attempting to maintain a voting machine contract with a sympathetic election official's county in Ohio. Here's the note I got:

"A friend of mine is a county elections official in Ohio. She's been a big advocate for paper audit trails ... They are testing her county's machines and she is asking if anyone would like to ask specific, legitimate questions of Diebold/SOS. She's already asked a few and is not happy with the response. If you have any questions for her to pass on to Diebold, please send them to me."

OK, DUers, if you had the ear of a local election official, what would you encourage her to ask Diebold? Questions and links to articles and other resources that would help her formulate her questions would be appreciated. (I have already referred her to www.votersunite.org and to our 2004 ERD forum and sent her the "20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the US".) Thanks for any fast help you can provide.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:11 AM
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1. How much did you sell the America people out for?
I would ask why they are so opposed to a paper trail? Isn't having back-up proof of the votes a very simple way to make Americans feel secure in their votes? What is the evil and harm in a paper trail.. unless you're hiding something illegal and morally wrong.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:11 AM
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2. How do you sleep at night?
That's the first thing that popped into my head.

I'll think about it some more
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:12 AM
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4. You beat me to it, meganmonkey!
Good on you!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:22 AM
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17. I like the sentiment, but keep in mind that the sales person may be
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:24 AM by Amaryllis
clueless about the problems in the company. This could be viewed as a chance to ask probing questions that would bring up questions in the mind of the company rep. Worth considering as a possibility. On the other hand, they could be totally corrupt and on the take. But don't overlook a chance to educate if they are just ignorant.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:12 AM
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3. When you and AWOL Bush get it on, does he go down on you?
just asking..
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:16 AM
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6. OK, folks. Any questions come to mind that she could actually use?
The first respondent did give some useful input. For myself, I don't care what any of you post here, as long as I can get a few DU zingers that she can use. (And believe me, I'm no prude -- just want to be useful as well as humorous.)
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:15 AM
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5. Here's mine
Why are so opposed to implementing electronic voting in the same manner as other business functions with auditability to prove your system does what you say it does?

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:26 AM
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7. Why won't you let American's view your source code?
What are you afraid we'll find?

If you don't have the confidence to reveal your source code & support a paper trail how can you possible ask the American people to have confidence in the election results?

Why do you hate America?


Nominated in hopes you'll get a ton of responses to send to them!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:46 AM
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8. Whens the last train to Clarkesville ?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:48 AM
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9. Thanks. That was helpful.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:53 AM
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10. Elections should be nonpartisan. How do you explain your
very close relationship with Republican candidates and the Republican Party? As someone providing a service to the American people, shouldn't you be more neutral?

See, there's a serious one!
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:56 AM
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11. Alright!! We're on a roll now!!
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:15 AM
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12. Are you concerned that questions surrounding your election
equipment will spill over in to your banking equipment?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:21 AM
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13. Ooooh - I like that one!
Wouldn't want untraceable glitches effecting the ATMs like they do the vote counts, would we?! Not so good for business.

;)
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:56 AM
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14. Why should voters trust you
when the president of your company promised to deliver Ohio to bush?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:19 AM
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16. WAs the 34 million in stock options WAlly Odell got on NOV 3rd
a reward for putting GWB back in the WH?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:18 AM
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15. Why'd you make so easy to switch votes?....
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:21 AM by Bill Bored
Why is there nothing in the GEMS software to force the ballot text to match the database labels? In other words, why is it even possible to program the machines to have a vote for Candidate A go to Candidate B and vice versa? And why is it SO EASY? Why introduce such temptation into the electoral process? Isn't that what Satan did in the garden of Eden?

Next question:

Why do you report undervotes in vote-for-1 races as "Blank Votes?" When you market the product, which do you advertise to the targets of the marketing campaign? Do you say there were "zero undervotes", or do you report the number of "blank votes" at the top of the ticket?

Why is it even possible to include one major party candidate in a Straight Party Voting option and not the other?

If you screw up ballot definition programming that you perform on behalf of a Board of Elections, what recourse do the Board and the voters have if the election outcome is reversed as a result? And how would they even know? Is Diebold liable or protected by some limited liability agreement?

Does your VVPAT printer use ink or thermal paper that won't last long enough to be recounted?

Does your VVPAT printer cut the paper and randomize the order of the ballots so that they remain secret, or does the order of the votes recorded on the paper roll correspond precisely with the order in which the voters vote on the machine so that individual votes can be associated with individual voters?

Want some more?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:30 AM
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19. Keep 'em coming, BB!!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:24 PM
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29. Use some stuff from the GA experience!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:44 PM
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32. OK, here are some more:
Is your software digitally signed on each machine? If not, how can one tell that it's the same s/w that was certified?

Do you use encryption on your dial-up modem or Internet connections between DREs and Op Scanners and GEMS, or are all the vote data and ballot definition files sent in clear text?

What kind of user authentication is required for the Accuvote TS (DREs) and OS (Op Scanners) to remotely access the GEMS server and vice versa?

Same question for local access to the machines at the polling place.

Why do election results reports use Database Labels instead of Ballot Text to display the candidates' names (this relates to the first question in post #15. If candidates were reversed on the ballot, you can't tell by looking at these reports).

Why are all the ballot reject settings (e.g., undervote and overvote alerts) on your precinct count Op Scanners turned OFF by default?

That's it for now. Let us know how this goes! Sounds like FUN!
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quisp Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:28 AM
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18. When did they finally stop having sex with the family dog? n/t
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:43 AM
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20. Here are mine
I'd also ask how is the system supported. In person, or via modem. If via modem I'd ask what is the security protocol.

Do the people who install and support the software and hardware subject to background checks before being hired?

If hardware needs to be replaced, who makes the determination, who actually replaces it, and who keeps the old parts?

What accounting control measures are in place to verify the vote totals?

Do they get external software audits to ensure software integrity? If yes, who do they use? If no, why not?

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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:45 AM
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21. This may give you some ideas
By Andy Stephenson:

In order for me to vote, I must have faith. Faith in the system, faith in the process, and it's faith that makes me believe that it matters that I participate at all.

And anywhere along the way, if society, our government, elected officials, or individuals damage that faith, or cause me to question that faith, it doesn't just hurt me, it hurts the system itself, it attacks our beliefs and undermines our Democracy.

Democracy can't be bought with guns or bombs. Democracy is born as an idea and grows in the hearts and minds of those who believe in it, those who have faith in the system.

Why is the American Dollar stronger than the Peso? ... at least the
last time I checked...

Faith

Take away my ballot, my real life paper ballot, and you've undermined my faith at the most basic level. The tactile level, the level at which I can touch and feel the reality of my vote.

I'm not a Luddite, and I'm not against machines counting paper. But I
wouldn't trust a bank without deposit slips, or an ATM without a receipt.

I don't have faith in Corporations, weathermen, or politicians. And I shouldn't have to trust any of them to count my vote.

Referring to arms control treaties with the Soviet Union, Reagan once
said, "Trust but verify ". But I say, provide me a way to verify and
then I can start to trust.

And don't tell me that YOU trust the system. There's got to be a way
for me to trust the system. I need to be able to understand the process and verify the results in order to gain faith in the process.
This is a new bill of goods those who would take away my paper ballot are trying to sell. They want me to believe in mathematics, a
cryptography solution, VoteHere is one such company pushing this
solution. Some fancy math, and a receipt that I can punch into the
Internet that shows me that I voted. But no one seems able to explain to me how this works.

Fancy mathematics and fancy words loose my attention. While I might not be able to calculate the weight of the sun, I should be able to understand how we count votes. If we are going to have a Democratic society, it must allow me, and YOU, and any average citizen to be bad at math, but still be able to convince me that the system is valid.
The average member of society isn't going to understand a fancy system of cryptography, just as most of us realized long ago that fancy math hasn't helped us predict the weather. A 60% chance of a valid election doesn't sound very good to me. I just don't have faith in fancy math.

I especially don't have faith in fancy "proprietary "math. Another
word for proprietary is secret. So when someone tells me they have
some fancy mathematics, a cryptography solution, that makes my paper ballot unnecessary, once again, I'm not really that interested.
Because I don't have much faith in mathematics that I don't understand. And if you have to resort to explaining the system with
metaphor and simile, or if you need several experts to explain it to
me, you've lost me. And I'll have no faith in the system you build.

These machines, these blackbox voting machines. Already in place in
Snohomish and Yakima. They require me to trust without verification.
Trust the election officials, trust the government, trust the companies, trust the programmers, trust the mathematicians. But
frankly none of these people ever had my trust to begin with.

The media, the voting officials, the voting machine companies, even
the Supreme Court, is arguing that speed is of the essence, and obviously these machines are far speedier without paper ballots clogging up the process. But I don't care so much about speed, I'm more interested in accuracy. The battle isn't for speed. My faith isn't challenged by slow and steady bookkeeping with proper auditing.
It's challenged by secrets and lies. And once you've lost it, faith is a hard thing to regain.

These companies, and our election officials have lied to us, are lying
to us, and will continue to lie to us, they've committed fraud, and it
IS a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy to get rid of paper ballots, and I
for one am losing my faith in the system.

Don't be fooled though, it's not just about the paper. The devil is in
the details, and the details are in the words used. It's a verbal shell game, where "paper trail "and "paper receipt "are used to confuse you.

The words paper and ballot should not be separated. The go together
hand in hand, and to separate them undermines the strength they have when unified. Paper is tangible, traceable, hard to destroy.
Electrons, on the other hand are small, we can't see them, most of us
would have a hard time really explaining what they are. When I loose a $20 bill, I notice it's gone. When I lose an electron, I don't really notice.... unless my computer crashes, or I can't find a term paper, or my music skips. Scratch a piece of paper, I can still read what you wrote, scratch my new CD, it's worthless.

Paper trail, paper receipt, what do these terms mean? To me it means someone's trying to put one over on me. Cause when it comes to voting I know what a ballot is. It's been defined by law over hundreds of years. When I go to the grocery story I get a receipt, when I sell a house I sign a contract, and when I vote I get a ballot. Similes mean similar, they don't mean the "same ", and people who know the difference use the wrong words on purpose. They want some wiggle room... they want to change the system, they want to redefine the terms, get rid of the paper, turn the ballot into electrons, and give you a receipt, or a paper trail. Trick you into having faith in the system. So let's be clear here, and let's not mince words, a receipt is something that I get when I buy a banana, a ballot is something with which I vote. I'm not fooled by the verbal shell game. My eyesare still on the ball, and I'm not letting go of my paper ballot any time soon. Too adopt the words of the NRA you'll have to pry my paper ballot from my cold dead hands.

Words have meaning, and meaning builds faith. Faith is built on a
foundation of trust. Take away my trust, and you've undermined the
foundation. Bastardize the meanings built on that foundation and you
weaken the structure that holds up even weaker words. And just as
assuredly as a house starts to crumble as the foundation is eroded,
and the walls start to fall, democracy is being undermined as the
meaning is corrupted and the foundation is slowly torn from underneath. Take away my paper ballot, and you strip away the keystone on which I build my faith in the system.

So all this talk about faith, and really so far, very little about the
actuality of how a paper ballot works to increase my trust in the
system. You may ask me how a system of paper, in which ballot boxes turn up in Lake Michigan, or are lost in the back of the rooms of King County, inspires my faith.

The key is, that they do turn up later. One might be able to steal a
few hundred votes, a few ballot boxes might disappear, but their very
physicality makes those ballots hard to destroy. But click a button,
and send a few electrons off into the "ether ", who knows if it ever
gets where it's going, there's no physicality, and if it's lost, where
will we find it. My term paper that I lost in college is still lost, it never turned up in the back of the lecture hall, or under the bed in my dorm room. Electronic votes that are lost will never be found in the back room, and no ballots will ever turn up in the river, or in the trunk of someone 's car. Just because the machine recount tells me
the same number when I ask, doesn't mean it's more accurate. Data can be precise and simultaneously inaccurate.

Paper ballots are not a panacea, they won't fix the system. No, they
are simply the foundation on which the system is built. There are many layers above the foundation on which the house of democracy is built, and there are many checks and balances that must be in place to assure that our votes are counted accurately. Random audits, checking the paper against the machine counts, correlating the number of votes with registered voters, all good and necessary ways to double check the accuracy of the process. And any system is going to have a certain calculable margin of error, and if any of us are going to be honest about what just happened in Washington State, the margin of victory fell well inside that margin of error, regardless of the recount, neither side can statistically claim victory, so the only victory left is a legal victory. There is obviously more than one way to lose faith in a system of belief.

But without a solid foundation there's nothing for me to build my
faith upon.

Voting in this country use to be a public process. We voted in public,
the vote was counted in public, by the public. We trusted in the
system, because we the people were the system. And every battle we the people fought was to increase that trust, either to increase the
number and types of people that voted, or to increase the validity of
the system by reducing the influence of others on our personal choices. But now we vote in secret, using a secret ballot, on machines
with secret code. I think something has been lost here, don't you?

~Andy Stephenson

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Recording

http://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/evan@iwaynet.net/440...

*********************************
we miss you, Andy.............
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:50 AM
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23. Thanks for posting Andy's paper. I like the image of ...
... Andy haunting Diebold from the grave with his persietent questions and perspective.

Though I would much prefer that he were here to do it in person. I'm thankful that I got to meet Andy at the "Nash-ional" conference in April -- he was a geninely nice guy who was loved and respected by everyone who got to know him, if even for a little while.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:54 AM
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25. You're lucky you got to meet him...
I was lucky that I got to work with him earlier this year over the phone and e-mail on an election fraud forum held in my area. Even sick, he was relentless and passionate and so generous with his knowledge. He was amazing and I miss him.
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GentryLange Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:20 PM
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40. Andy inspired that speech, and gave it several times..
But I have been trying to correct the misperception that it was "his" speech for awhile... and now that I see the Freepers got ahold of it they are going nuts. Here's the letter I wrote to the Seattle Weekly:

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0530/050727_news_letters.php

In regards to Knute Berger's article "Internet Martyr," about Andy Stephenson , I am forever grateful for all the help and support your writers and publication showed for Mr. Stephenson in his final days. However, as the unidentified eulogizer mentioned in the article, and as Andy's former campaign manager, I need to make a correction. The statements regarding paper ballots attributed to Andy are actually from a speech I wrote and presented earlier this year at the Seattle Thunder event.

To Andy's credit, he always presented that speech with pride as written by his former campaign manager. A brief Internet search can easily find this speech posted by Andy on the popular Web site Democratic Underground, and attributed correctly. It is obvious that Andy's passion for the issue greatly influences my work and writing regarding the need for paper ballots. But as a current candidate for King County executive, I will be presenting that speech many times in the coming months and do not wish to be accused of plagiarizing my own work.

Gentry Lange
Green Candidate for King County Executive
______________________________

Please, I loved Andy, I worked with him for like two years... but I wrote this speech not as Andy's speech writer or anything, just as myself for when Andy would send me off to give speak when he couldn't make an event.

I loaned the speech to Andy, stating to him that he needed to give me credit as the author, and he always did to my knowledge.

If you all could help out here and stop posting it as Andy's speech that would be great.

Oh and here's the links that properly identify the speech:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=316579

I wouldn't care so much, but it's a foundational piece that I rewrite constantly, and as I mentioned in the correction to the Weekly, I would hate to be accused after the fact of plagiarizing my own writing.

This is a separate link, that properly identifies where I gave the speech the first time.

http://www.kucinich.us/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4313

Oh, and the revision for the eulogy is on my website:

http://www.gentrylange.com
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:45 AM
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22. The recipe for Coke
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:47 AM by Ian_rd
To Diebold: You've claimed that your vote-counting software is a trade secret, and therefore protected from public inspection. This is not the recipe for Coca-Cola, this is the backbone of our democracy. So, could you please explain to me again why the public shouldn't be allowed to inspect and test your software?

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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:54 AM
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24. Here's some --
1. How much has Diebold contributed to the Republican party and candidates in this county? State? How much to Dems? (It's public record, but always fun to ask...)

2. Do you or a Diebold affiliate (Fidlar) have a maintenance agreement with the county? If so, how much has the county spent on maintenance in the past year/s (again public record, but fun to watch them squirm) and specifically, what type of maintenance was done? May I have names of the technicians and copies of paperwork? What technical problems showed up prior to election night? Were these technicians ever working alone with the equipment on election night anywhere in the county? If not, what qualified, independent computer technician/s accompanied this person at all times? What were they doing...specifically? What about following the election? Was a technician summoned to make a "maintenance" call? (If so, demand details...)

3. Did you ever tell the board of elections that Diebold hired a felon with 23 convictions in computer fraud (ie: planting backdoors and creating high degrees of sophistication to hide stuff) as a consultant to program your voting software? Why is this man's software still in use at Diebold? (Even if that county doesn't use 1.96 software, a follow-up question would be, "Does it give you pause that Diebold's hiring practices are lax, especially when dealing with highly sensitive work? Why does a felon with multiple convictions in computer fraud have access to a source code and we don't? Just wondering...call me crazy.)

4. If it's not too much trouble, please share all correspondence Diebold has had with our county since day one, including e-mails, memos, letters, etc. Also include all dates, times of all meetings with the board and what was discussed. Provide info on all lobbying efforts, including restaurants, junkets, etc. Thanks.

5. There are huge concerns with Diebold security/technical issues in other states, leading to lawsuits, lockdowns and nasty multi-million dollar refunds... What assurances do you have that those security/technical problems don't exist here?

6. What corporations are among the largest investors in Diebold? (Again, public record, but...)

7. The foundation of any democracy is transparent elections. What part of this process is open, if anything? That seems quicker than listing what isn't.

8. Why should we trust you?

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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:02 PM
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26. Great questions!! Keep 'em coming, ya'll.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:03 PM
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27. Why haven't you yet answered all of the questions that have come up from
the 2004 presidential election?

Are you aware that 9 months later there is still alot of questions being asked about the legitimacy of that election?

Why wouldn't you want to prove to the American voters that there was no vote manipulation? Arent you afraid that these concerns are going to effect your future sales in voting equipment?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:06 PM
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28. Why do consider my bank account more important than my vote?
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:24 PM
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30. What punishment do you vote for yourselves?.....
the cattle prod up your.........

electricity to your........

fingernail extractions......

or 12 hours of non-stop Mariah Carey.......

We could tabulate the results on their machines.
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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:28 PM
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31.  Why do you hate our freedoms ?
The ones we used to have.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 03:52 PM
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33. Here is a Diebold rep under oath questioned by Cuyahoga county BOE:
thanks to the folks at Ohiovigilance.org:

from 7/11/05:

<http://homepage.mac.com/captainkirkby/Digital_Quagmires/iMovieTheater27.html>
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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:24 PM
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34. What a video
Thanks modmom. What an insight into possibilities
as most all county Gov't meetings are video recorded.
How many salesmen do they have? They are the modern day
snake oil salesmen and if the word got to the next town before them.
well u know.

Andy's message is wonderful and should be on the front pages of
of DU as a portal to the undergrounds underground.

This video should have it's own post.


Why Can't we Count?

We are tired of the voter suppression so
rampant across our country designed
to keep us from voting.
We are fed up with the fact that voting is allowed
on machines without a paper record
of the voters intent.
We question the honesty of the vote count as
machines tabulate in secret without adequate
hand count verification.
We have been told to trust 2 corporations
With 80% of the vote count on systems
without any auditability. We know the most accurate voting system
is hand counted paper ballots.
We understand the right to vote
and the right to count our vote
are keys to our democracy
and our faith in america.
We intend to illuminate all problems
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:34 AM
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37. This line of questioning stopped the selection of Diebold in Cuyahoga
County for now, let's home for good.
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petite marmotte Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:25 PM
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43. Is Why Can't We Count your composition?
Because I picked up a copy of this at a table in Pritchard Park a couple of weekends ago. It was what got me seriously thinking about this issue and what motivated me to join DU. So, if anyone thinks you can't get the word out - even if it's one person at a time - I'm proof they are wrong. Were you there representing any group in particular or a local group?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:09 AM
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35. I would ask them for the source code and the programming.
Then I would ask them how they'd like to plead.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:31 AM
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36. How do you feel being complicit in the theft of our Democracy?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:53 AM
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38. Why do you hate america?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:30 PM
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39. prison or tar & feathers? Just kidding! You don't get to choose.


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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:15 PM
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41. kick
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:59 PM
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42. kick n/t
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petite marmotte Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:16 PM
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44. I would ask
why they posted a blurb on their voting-systems website from a San Diego newspaper article (February 2005) praising their voting machines, but did not post the follow-up story from the same paper (July 2005) about California rejecting the use of Diebold's equipment. Where's that? I would also ask them what they mean when they refer to "voter-verifable" results from their AccuView Printer system. How does the voter verify it? Their website states that in January the printer system (optional equipment, BTW) was submitted for federal "qualification." Hmmm.... let's see. Company headquartered in Texas. I guess that's the only qualification it will need. Finally, I think I would really like to know what Diebold's motto means, "We Won't Rest." What? Until we can't rest?
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