Hackett-Claremont: Oh boy, here we go again. Billmon-Whiskey Bar

[autorank]

Well, don't throw in the towell just yet. See the full article at Whiskey Bar. Billmon is just putting this out there. We need to be in the habit of questioning everything. This is interesting and the links to the quoted material are worthwhile also.

Who knows but we need to know for sure.

http://billmon.org/archives/002073.html

"But was there anything, well, Floridian, about this particular source of comfort? Beats me. Hackett apparently doesn't think so. He conceded before midnight. But some others who watched the count much more closely than I did found it all a bit odd:

Out if 91 precincts , about 12% of the total, the margin went from 0.89% to 3.49%. In other words it almost quadrupled . .

I was projecting that, extrapolating from the first 100 precincts, the last 91 would have about 10,000 votes. In fact, the final tally has them giving out 50% more than that...over 15,000 votes.

Also, while Schmidt's margin in the first 100 was about 56% to 44%, the margin is much, much wider in the last 91 -- 60% to 40%.

Also, this puts the overall total well out of range of any recount margin.

Curioser and curiouser. I wouldn't dwell on it so much, if not for the fact that Clermont has already shown a impressive knack for pulling Republican electoral bacon out of the fire, as I noted last week:

The ability of the Rovians to pull fresh GOP votes out of counties certainly challenged plausibility, and, in Clermont's case, almost defied mathematics. Consider the fact that according to the Census Bureau, Clermont's population rose only 4.4% (about 7,800 souls) between 2000 and 2003, while reported GOP turnout increased by roughly 31% (about 14,600 votes) from 2000 to 2004. This in a county that only had about 122,000 registered voters last year, according to the Cincinatti Enquirer.

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[wli]

1. outside of court, assume fraud until proven otherwise

We know what kind of sleazebags we're dealing with.

[autorank]

2. I agree 100%. We'll see over the next few days.

[blm]

3. This is what I said earlier. Compare vote tallies to 2000, not to 2004.

2004 is where the GOP padded their vote totals in any red county they thought they could get away without suspicion.

[adolfo]

4. CLERMONT Screenshot results:

 CLERMONT

				

Time			Schmidt		Hackett		Precincts Reporting

9:28:08 AM		0		0		0/191
8:24:09 PM		1158		750		0/191
9:30:23 PM		7869		6099		100/191
10:49:17 PM		17320		12439		191/191

note: write-in votes not listed (0.20% of vote total)	

[autorank]

5. Wow, that 10:49:17 PM tally...Mitofsky like (the 1:30am Exit Poll)

Gettin the job done! You know what's ineresting. That county has a substantial UAW population. Be interesting to know where they show up in the sequence. Old Schmidt really got her wind in that last 10:17 count. Whew! If she hadn't, the election would have qualified for a recount.

[freedomfries]

28. KICK

[Botany]

6. It was 50 50 when Clermont County went down ......

and it winds up being 48 to 52?

Humidity ....... I have been in claremont County many times. They have
air conditioning.

I wouldn't be such a tin foil hat guy if every glitch and error did not go
to republicans. Sure it is a republican strong hold but such a swing over
in such a small % of the total vote.

[autorank]

7. Let's see who comes along and asks you to prove Claremont

has air conditioning. It is curious how the Republicans always benefit from the glitches. But then, I'm a "coincidence theorist" -- it all just happens, no plan or conspiracy. We're all on the same team:sarcasm: and everybody believes in the rules and fair play.

[Botany]

8. S.W. Ohio is hot in the summer.

almost every building has A.C.. The machines or tabulators were not in
barns for pity sake. Humidity?

Maybe it was fair but Claremont County also
had many more votes for an unknown African American Women running
for supreme court justice then John Kerry got. But * got more votes
then her Repub. counterpart.

[roseBudd]

14. AND recount volunteers saw round white stickers on the ballots...

there are affidavits BTW

that was in Clermont county on optiscan ballots seen in Dec. 04.

[mod mom]

9. Here are results from Clermont County BOE:

Representative to Congress 2nd District   (Vote for: 1)
XXXXXXXXXEarly Voting Election Day Provisional Total Percentage
JEAN SCHMIDT 1158 16162 0 17320 58.09%
PAUL HACKETT 750 11689 0 12439 41.72%
Write In Votes 3 56 0 59 0.20%
Total Votes Cast 1911 27907 0 29818 100.00% 

[paineinthearse]

10. What do Hackett & Kerry have in common?

Both conceded too early, when questions about irregularity and fraud had not been resolved.

What statute requires a candidate to roll over before the results have been audited / recounted / certified?

Sheesh!

[bunny planet]

11. Didn't they hand count only half of Claremont county after the 'humidity'

problem? That doesn't seem to comply with the Bush vs.Gore decision (even though of course that was just a once in a lifetime free pass for Bush as we all know). The county was counted differently, under suspicious circumstances, every county but Schmidts home county comes in with no problems, no humidity, and later when back up, 4000 votes mysteriously appear, no exit poles either. Hmmmmmmmmm? Shouldn't we at least be asking for a complete hand recount of all of Claremont county, just to prove that those convenient, last minute, 4000 votes, are really on the up and up?

[FogerRox]

12. come on Paul HAckett dont back down-- stand your ground like a marine

PLEASE

[riqster]

13. Anyone know him personally?

Contact him and explain Vote Fraud.

[roseBudd]

15. if his office is in Downtown Cinti. i'll pay him a visit

crunch those numbers statisticians!

[Fly by night]

18. If that's the case, it would be interesting to know the difference ...

... between the Hackett proportion of the vote in the op scanned vs. hand-counted votes in Clermont.

It would also be good to see if any of those pesky stickers appeared on the apres-crash ballots.

It would also be good to know if the ballots are numbered to see if we have any out-of-sequence issues (like a stack of pre-filled in ballots just waiting for an attack of humidity).

It would also be nice to hear from the observers re: their perceptions of the problems.

Which ballots from which precincts had not been counted before the "crash"?

Were they from the more humid side of the county? (OK, that was a joke.) Honestly, I'm not aware of any public building in the South or near-South that is not air-conditioned these days, unless they vote in barns and outhouses in Clermont.

Speaking of which, did anything ever happen regarding the affidavits on the stickered ballots in the 2004 election? I hope that anyone in communication with the Cincy media is putting the reporters in touch with the people who provided those earlier affidavits.

And what do we know about the Repugs and Democrats on the Clermont election commission? Are the Dems there like the DINOs on the Hocking county commission who refused to step down over improperly firing Sherole Eaton after a unanimous "no confidence" vote by Hocking County Democrats?

Since Hackett has seen combat recently (and knows the stakes we are really playing for), I hope he steps back into combat on our soil. Fighting for free, fair and verifiable elections is much more important than trying to claim "our" oil under Iraqi soil.

[Bushfire]

16. do the numbers in Clermont match the log-in poll books?

i donated to Hackett, and want him to ask these questions. if he doesn't why should we ever donate to Dems ever again.

[mod mom]

17. contacted the Clermont County BOE and they are faxing me results by

Precint. If 91 precincts did alot of the damage, perhaps some suspicious # will turn up. I contacted an employee btw, rather than go through the director and got almost immediate response.

[skids]

27. Can you get a precinct-by-precinct "group report"?

...this would have separate columns, per precinct, for absentee votes.

This is critical information for determining which precincts were in the first (100) batch and which were in the second (91) batch.

Precinct-by-precinct results are already posted at recountflorida. However it is an XLS sheet, not a raw machine output sheet. In that data the absentee votes have been added to each precinct, rather than kept in a separate line, so it is not possible to try and find combinations of precincts that add up to the second batch totals.

[Kip Humphrey]

19. Anyone notice? The vote flip was 4% again

Sounds all soooo familiar!

[mod mom]

20. same lying thieves in office, same plan. nt

[Kip Humphrey]

21. Hackett was HACKED!

[demodonkey]

23. Love it Kip!

:yourock:

[lizzieforkerry]

22. There was also a fire at the Air America radio stations'

transmitter and Randi wnet to static at 7:00- 30 min before the polls closed. Other radio stations from the same transmiiter were apparently still able to broadcast. Our Air America is a Clear Channel network, I believe. Jus tsomething to think about.

[diva77]

24. What machines were the voters using and what were they tabulating with??

anyone know (or did I miss the post where that was mentioned?)

[autorank]

25. Old optiscans counted in a central office.

So those 91 precincts must have all had humidity problems, or the cars that transported them had extreme humidity problems, or the central office had significant humidity problems. Hmmm...

[philb]

26. Fraud was found in Clermont in 2004 Election: Green Party Report on

Recount:
Clermont County (Punch card) ***

http://www.votecobb.org/recount/ohio_reports/counties/clermont.php
3% random sample was not random; only small precincts included; hand count didn't match machine but didn't follow Ohio rule to count all by hand There was indication of inconsistent policies in counting favoring Bush and evidence of tampering according to witness. County officials uncooperative; would not let observers see info needed to confirm results, such as overvotes.
Kerry votes on some cards had stickers over them so could not be counted by compiler. No explanation given.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7
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Someone needs to check for white stickers again;
and check the voter log books totals against the official vote