Paging Drs. Heisenberg, Goedel, Mandelbrot, and Mr. Zeno.

[bleever]

Dr. Heisenberg: the lights in your car were left on, though we're not sure exactly where you parked.

Dr. Goedel: your order is complete, although we've been unable to prove it.

Dr. Mandelbrot: we've completed measuring for your new suit, even though increasingly minute frames of reference prove that an accurate measurement is impossible.

Mr. Zeno: please come to the lost and found to claim your arrow, which did in fact arrive at its target.

As much as I love infinite regression, we all still have to eat and breathe and walk with no one else's legs but our own, and there's still such a thing as knowing something even when (and perhaps especially when!) endless questions serve to preserve doubt and the notion that we can never really know anything for certain.

But we live in a pragmatic world with an undeniable materialist dimension, and dammit there are just sometimes when you really want a cheeseburger, and when you've got to slam on the brakes because the guy in front of you made an illegal turn, and when it's cold and you need to put on a sweatshirt.

And all the nitpicking, and impossibility of disproving a negative, and the inability to show where every electron is every second, is just superfluous, distracting, and destructive.

That's where I think we're at regarding the theft of the 2004 presidential election.



This is not a post that will attract a lot of comment, but I had to get it out of my system.


/rant.


:)

[The Traveler]

1. I thought you

put that really quite well. The next time I let go of a rock, it might not fall. But I think it probably will. The next time Bush wants to invade another country, he might tell us the truth, but I think he probably won't. The next time I vote, it might count ...

[bleever]

2. Bravo!

If that's the only reponse on this thread, I'll rest contented.

:thumbsup:

[Burried News]

3. Something put the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave.

And Freudian dreams say something about what is on our mind.

Keep the faith. There are footprints in the sand, a smell in the air and very clever people working to sustain the CONfusion.

[cdsilv]

4. Well said.

I believe the same about the 2000 election. We all know it was stolen, even the freepers.

They CAN'T admit it, and when we do, it's only among friends.

We are a nation afraid of what we may have been lied to about. I've never supported Bush, but many have and are now seeing what that has cost us. It is a horrifying cost. In all 'dimensions' - lives, dollars, international legitimacy, moral equality, ...

We've let the boy prince lead us into ruin.

Can we come back? I don't know. I hope so.

We need another FDR, JFK, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton to shake up the Democratic establishment, hopefully for good this time.

We can't just keep playing 'republican lite' anymore.

[Burried News]

5. Daughter trainned at NAS. Lived just over the bridge on Perdito

Key on the Intercoastal Waterway. She shipped out befor Ivan. You OK?

[Melissa G]

6. you are loved and appreciated Bleever! Rant on...

It is a shame, a deep shame to our democracy that we have Such reason to even be questioning our elections.. But here we are..
at least we are among Dem friends and have each other. It was all that sustained me when Kerry did not fight...

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

7. I know for certain . . .

that there is .no. .basis. .for. .confidence. in the announced results of an election such as the Nov 2004 national election.

[petgoat]

8. Nitpicking, uncertainty, pragmatism, and election theft....

Deal with it in fiction. Imagine what would prove electoral fraud
to Joe and Thelma, and let's write a movie script about it.
(Copyright and any revenues to be assigned to DU of course.)



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[autorank]

9. Uh, bleevr, the arrow did not arrive and I'm unable to get from A to B

Great point. We get cornered when we assert ourselves. My favorite is: prove to me that the election was stolen. Excuse f'ing me! I don't have to prove it, I have to raise reasonable questions in sufficient volume to cast doubt and trigger an investigation. Since we can't rely in the Feds to investigate (typically, not always), we need a more affirmative strategy...voting rights, who opposes that; paper ballots, only way to clear the clouds; let the League of Women Voters supervise and observe along with others.

Time to push out with the paper/simplicity thing.

"The Paper Ballot Challenge" that's what I say...and more rap songs by DUers!