Indictments in Cuyahoga County! (RE: Recount)

[mod mom]

Two Cuyahoga County election workers indicted in presidential recount
POSTED: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:16:29 PM
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:33:07 PM

CLEVELAND -- Two workers at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections have been charged with taking illegal short cuts in our local recount of last year’s presidential election.

A libertarian candidate and one from the Green party made the original accusations, and today a grand jury agreed.


Ballot supervisors Rosey Greer and Kathleen Dreamer each face six felonies.


The shortcuts wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the election, but were not the way the recount should have been handled.



For tip of the iceberg, see http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=40043.
 
We need lots of people to show up at the next Board meetings, especially the regular meeting on Mon, Sept 12th at 5pm.  There will definitely be press at this meeting!
 
Other special meetings are Thurs, Sept 1st at 5:30pm and Tues, Sept 6th at 9am.  It is ALWAYS good to have as many people as possible. 
 

[snot]

1. kick & nom'd nt

[fooj]

2. Hey...some welcome GOOD news!

Peace.

[John Q. Citizen]

5. Wow, that's great! n/t

[thereismore]

3. Great! Nominated. n/t

[SlipperySlope]

4. Six felonies?

They each face six felonies, but nothing they did would have changed the outcome?

Can someone post more background on this? I know that elections are a big deal, but what did they do that is worth a combined total of twelve felony charges?

[MadeinOhio]

18. Isn't it obvious probably......

They ignored Ohio law at the boards discretion, Blackwell's discretion.....

And they played with the numbers using Triad, doing this COULD change the outcome of the whole election if it was shown to have happened in every board of elections!

And if they did SAVE all of the data it is claimed proprietary by ES&S and Triad.....They have to release that code, it is LEGALLY mandated to release that code.

[jbnow]

26. What happened in just this one county

would not have changed the outcome for Ohio as a whole. It doesn't mean it would not change the totals in that county though.

If you look through the archives in this forum or google on irregularities in recounts in this county you will get a better idea.

They likely are facing the same 6 charges, two people committing the same crimes.

[mod mom]

37. It opens the dorr for other counties to get their cases in court. We have

a mountain of evidence that will one day be the historical groundwork to prove the election in Ohio was stolen. No one hears implies it was only Cuyahoga County.

I encourage you to read John Conyers and the House Judiciary Committee Staff's "Preserving Democracy: What went Wrong in Ohio?" It is an excellent synopsis of the '04 theft in Ohio.

[jbnow]

38. I was replying to the poster

who asked how there could be 12 felonies if it wouldn't change the outcome, not commenting that it was minor.
Just noting that a single county would not.

I've read Conyers report and do know how bad it was, at least as well as we can know.

[mod mom]

40. Oops sorry. Peace.

[jbnow]

41. Oh that's fine!

If I had meant what you thought I did I would need that correction and direction! better safe then sorry.

[Botany]

6. Tip of the iceberg

on this sad day ..... a ray of light ......
Ohio's dirty election is going to be exposed

Q. and who do they work for?
A. Blackwell

[Kolesar]

33. They didn't work for Blackwell, they worked for county BOE head Michael Vu

[mod mom]

35. RE: Michael Vu. I heard him speak twice, one at an EAC hearing in

Cokumbus on provisional ballots and he really laid into Blackwell and once at a House Administration Hearing chaired by Bob Ney and he spoke about the threat of being fired if you did not go along w the SOS-blackwell ( he did bucked horns w blackwell regarding the pre-election directives). He appeared highly competent at both hearings. Vu came across as someone who feared for his job and that is the reason I hope he spills the beans on Blackwell, who he reports to, when the time comes.

[Kolesar]

36. So therefore the staff *did* work for Blackwell

With a confused reporting relationship.

[mod mom]

39. Vu reports to Blackwell. During the House Administration Hearing

Vu discusses how he received a letter from Blackwell indicating that those who did not follow Blackwell's orders could be terminated. Vu locked horns w Blackwell over some of the pre elections directives ordered by Blackwell. He came across as competent and challenging to Blackwell.

I did just put out a request for comments from Ohio Vigilance, a group based in Cuyahoga who is doing an EXCELLENT job in their attempt to keep Diebold out of the county.

[mod mom]

53. Report from Cuyahoga activists: don't trust Vu.

[jillan]

7. What where the charges???

:evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[mod mom]

9. All I have so far but I thought we all needed some good news so I rushed

it out. Will relay more as it becomes available. Peace

(DO YOU THINK BLACKWELL WILL SLEEP TONIGHT?)

[Botany]

10. He lives in the ******** Section of Columbus.

I bet you he will toss and turn all night. Somebody is going to sing .....
this thing is too big for somebody not to. I think it will start to come out
very quick now.

Cuyahoga County had precincts w/ 3+ hour waits but 8 to 40% turn outs.
Please.

:beer:

[MelissaB]

14. From post 13 below:

The charges include failure to perform duties imposed upon them by law, misconduct of Board of Election employees, knowingly disobeying elections law, unlawfully obtaining possession of ballots/ballot boxes or pollbooks, and unlawfully opening or permitting the opening of a sealed package containing ballots.

If convicted, the women could spend up to four years in prison each.

Link: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4916350/detail.html

[stillcool]

8. Great news....

...we need our own perfect storm...

[mod mom]

11. More links:

Two more news stories: http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=3784826

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/wews/20050830/lo_wews/2909710

[Nightjock]

12. Maybe they will blow the whistle on the BIG picture?

Than the truth will come out.

John Kerry won Ohio!

Unless of course, they get on any small airplane. Than we'll never get the whole truth because they will be eliminated.

[MadeinOhio]

19. Lets make sure Sherole Eaton and everyone stay out of those planes.....

Kenneth Fraudwell and his cronies will want to silence them.....

The hush money came from the top, Thomas Noe and his illegal scam to fraud the boards and tip the election. And who was his point man?

Karl Rove......Did they pay off Denny White, Bill Anthony, and everyone with dirty checks for the hell of it?

Follow the trail......

[MelissaB]

13. I think we all needed this. This story is spreading.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/12515829.htm


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BOE Employees Indicted In 2004 Presidential Recount

Women Charged With Disobeying Election Laws

POSTED: 4:30 pm EDT August 30, 2005

CLEVELAND -- Two Cuyahoga County Board of Elections employees were indicted Tuesday on charges stemming from the 2004 presidential election recount.

Rosie Grier and Kathleen Dreamer have been indicted on six counts each.

The charges include failure to perform duties imposed upon them by law, misconduct of Board of Election employees, knowingly disobeying elections law, unlawfully obtaining possession of ballots/ballot boxes or pollbooks, and unlawfully opening or permitting the opening of a sealed package containing ballots.

If convicted, the women could spend up to four years in prison each.

Link: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4916350/detail.html

[kimpossible]

15. Yes!

Thanks to the Greens and Libs for carrying on this good fight, after the Dem leadership abandoned it.

:toast:

[JanusAscending]

25. "WHO" do you mean when refering to the Democratic Party?

I am a Dem, and a liberal one. Please "splain"!

[kimpossible]

27. I mean you-know-who

Yes, I'm still bitter about it. I put my heart and soul into working for the Kerry campaign, and quite a lot of cash into the fund that was supposed to put lawyers on the ground to fight for every vote to be counted. And then in the face of massive election "irregularities", he caved the very next morning. I felt totally betrayed. Now he's got that count-the-votes fund burning a hole in his pocket for his next campaign, and still sends me fundraising solicitations. Ack-phhhttt!

So I'm still a Democrat, and a liberal one too. But I put a lot less faith in the leadership now - until we can take back the party from the "insiders".

[JanusAscending]

28. That's who I thought you meant.!

May I kindly suggest you pay a visit to the "Kerry Forum" and just take a shot at reading some really interesting facts, that I'm sure you'd be surprised to know. Ya can't take everything that you read here on DU as "gospel" sometimes. Maybe you'll see it in a different light. I found it quite enlightening, and I thought I knew everything there was to know about him. I "double dog dare ya"!!:hi:

[hippywife]

16. Congratulations to my home state!

It's about time there was some action on this stuff!
:woohoo:

[MissWaverly]

17. I am so glad that I sent $200 to the Greens for recount

God bless those folks, this may be the start of the clean up necessary,
thanks for posting this.

Miss Waverly:party:

[SharonRB]

20. This is great news!

[Peace Patriot]

21. Thanks for the post, modmom! And profound thanks to Cuyahoga

County activists and the Green and Libertarian Parties! This is the only way we're going to get our democracy back, by persistent and relentless pressure on state/local election officials. Congratulations!

[intheflow]

22. This good news is getting buried under hurricane coverage.

On a day like this, we need this kind of post just to keep hope alive. Thank you so much for posting, mod mom.

:kick:

[IndyOp]

23. kick, kick, kickety kick!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

O8)

[Carolab]

24. Great, but I WISH they would stop staying this...

"The shortcuts wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the election, but were not the way the recount should have been handled."


Just how in the hell can they keep saying that?

[Nothing Without Hope]

31. "wouldn't change the outcome" and "no sign of widespread fraud" are the

DNC talking points. Both asssertions prominently displayed in their "official" report on the Ohio Election, which was based on questionable analysis of data provided by Blackwell. These are facts. I studied that DNC report.

Of course, these are also favorite assertions of the Rethugs.

[MadeinOhio]

32. Some of them like Dean probably don't want to be seen as sore losers...

So instead of saying "stolen" they say the results were "questionable, and may not have changed the outcome"

So yeah everyone including Maxine Waters knows it was stolen.....I guess the rest of them though don't care.

[nicknameless]

29. OMG that is good news!!!

:bounce: :woohoo: :toast: :woohoo: :bounce:

[Nothing Without Hope]

30. Oh, let's hope they sing and Blackwell's name is mentioned as the one

who ordered them to cheat. That would be sweet indeed and might open some more doors.

[Kolesar]

34. BOE head Michael Vu was such a media darling last year

The handsome and confident young guy from Salt Lake City was all over local media talking about how he was handling the election. Looks like he blew it. I think it is time to terminate him, which is a shame because I recall he was a Democrat.

[Bill Bored]

42. Just once, I'd like to hear someone say:

IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME!

[FogerRox]

50. efffin hay right Bill

[Algorem]

43. They said Vu has hired himself a lawyer on WKYC news last night,I be-

lieve they also said the other top officials have also.Why they don't put it on their website I don't know.

[bleever]

44. A little happy kick.

:)

[Algorem]

45. It's good to know that Ken Blackwell appoints the 4 members of the Cuy-

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/admin/brdmembers.htm

ahoga County Board of Elections,2 Republicans 2 Democrats,and that one,the chairman of the board, is Ohio Republican Party Chairman Robert Bennett,...

[Algorem]

46. Baxter said it's probably end of his investigation

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-19/112545504050671.xml&storylist=cleveland

Two election workers indicted in presidential recount
8/30/2005, 11:17 p.m. ET
The Associated Press

CLEVELAND (AP) —
..."I think the grand jury did what was supported by the evidence: That there was some problems in the way the 2004 presidential recount was conducted," Baxter told the Sandusky Register.

Board of Elections director Michael Vu deferred questions to board chairman Robert Bennett(Ohio Republican Party Chaiman).

Bennett said they have received no indication that the county's recount isn't accurate. He said the charges are procedural and don't affect the vote totals...



http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1125480834285430.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

2 elections officials indicted in recount
Wednesday, August 31, 2005

...Kerger charged that elections officials failed to randomly select precincts that were supposed to be counted by hand and compared against ballots tabulated by a machine; conduct test-runs before witnesses; and investigate discrepancies between vote totals.

Baxter would not offer details of his investigation but said he examined allegations that officials took "measures in order to all but assure that there would not be a countywide hand count."

...Synenberg asked Baxter last week to turn over all evidence to U.S. Attorney Greg White.

"Calling into question the integrity of a national election requires that a thorough investigation be completed by the federal authorities," Synenberg said in a letter to Baxter...

[MadeinOhio]

49. We must mail Baxter and tell him to never give the evidence over to Greg!!

Gregory White is a friend of Thomas Noe, that would be the worst conflict of interest!!!

It's just like Berger, conflict of interest. What we want no longer is a conflict of interest, make sure that evidence and testimonies are turned over to an IMPARTIAL prosecutor

Or if possible save and record it all, get someone from the Greens to appoint a counsel.

[Amaryllis]

47. "shortcuts wouldn't have changed the outcome." How many shortcuts

does it take to change the outcome of an election? Especially when you add it to all the other aggregious things that happened, none of which alone was enough to change the outcome?

[Melissa G]

48. Thanks Mod Mom!

This was an upper!!!

[FogerRox]

51. read this very late--

thANKS MM

May they rot in jail

[Algorem]

52. video report,if you can get it to work,

I can't

http://www.wkyc.com/highspeed

[Independent_Liberal]

54. Kick!