Oops I got too depressed and upset General Discussion

[NoBushSpokenHere]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4776326 "Our voices have been silenced"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4777145 "What Do Du'ers Who make Defeatist Posts Want? Truly--"

Didn't mean to sound like a defeatist, or a freeper. I was just totally disgusted with the news of the day and that "It all boils down to our elections and we cannot rally support for a remedy!"

Maybe someone else can more eloquently explain our plight in General Discussion?

[applegrove]

1. I think you are just running in to people who are fighting apathy every

day ... and they are telling you how they feel. They'll tell ya if you are shouting too loud, or if you cannot spell. They'll tell ya if you are too crude.

Why not tell ya to stop it with the apathy? We have to encourage each other to have hope and be ready to fight another day. Don't you agree?

In case you didn't know..we are on a mission here at the Democratic Underground. And apathy is not it!

Relax. Read the toons. Plant a garden. And save up your strength.

[mopinko]

2. i feel your pain

you would think anyone with 2 eyes could see that these people know that they will never really have to answer to the voters. and see that that is the source of everything that is wrong. and that dems are in on it, i think, is part of why they deny.
personally, i am still hoping for a large scale mutiny in the military. i think it is brewing. asking soldiers to shoot at citizens, especially starving, abandoned citizens, might just rip the cover off. i think that is why when they talk about iran, they talk about nukes. they know they cannot invade, the generals will tell them to fuck off. hopefully, the generals will also refuse to press the button.
the military is a large part of what is happening in this country. the military contractors and the pentagon started the corporate takeover. they can stop it.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. Then basically

what you are hoping for is civil war?

Very frightening thought to me.

Do you perceive that there might be any way to change administrations without violence?

Have we truly reached that point in your opinion?

[mopinko]

6. for civil war? where did you get that?

the revolutionary thing for the military to do is refuse to fight. to refuse to be a part of the endless war machine, tell the people the truth about where their money is going, stop lying to kids so you can send them to their deaths, and above all, refuse to follow unlawful orders. to beat the swords into plowshares.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

7. I follow you

but is not mutiny in the military more or less the definition of civil war?

Or I guess that would be more the definition of a coup, which could be bloodless. (thinking out loud here) But most end in civil war?

Not disagreeing with your ultimate vision and plowshares are definitely preferable to swords. Or nukes.

[mopinko]

9. well, if there is anything special about the american experience

and about our constitution, about government by the people, about citizen soldiers, about a country based on the rule of law and not the rule of men, then perhaps we will lead the world into a peaceful future.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

12. Close to it but, no

What we need is a tenfold version of the Sinclair Broadcasting email and phone call blasts to the advertisers that happened pre-election. We need to explain to all who are upset about what is happening to become ACTIVE in every non-violent way!

I sure hope we can do something before violence erupts. There are visions in my head I cannot shake.......no, I am not talking premonitions, just forecasts of the future based on the recent past. I just believe if something isn't done soon, our economy is going to hell in a hand basket. Let alone the disregard this administration shows for human life. I have to admit, I am beginning to become very afraid of our future.

Boycotts of items sold by media sponsors may force them to finally talk of the fraud, but.........how dependent are they on our purchases? From what I am seeing they are becoming less and less dependent upon it every day.

I was very hopeful last week. It seemed the media was finally coming around, but hearing the news yesterday about the Congressional action or should I say lack of action in light of the plunging approval ratings, is telling a very scary story.

I sure hope I am wrong and if I am right, I sure hope we can all band together and find some way to stop what is going on.

[OnTheOtherHand]

3. actually, didn't you provoke a good discussion?

Some people "got" what you were trying to say, some people didn't, but by now they've figured it out if they want to know. It's all part of the process.

Your original post had some riproaring stuff, but apparently many people missed it. If you had called it (say) We Must Be Heard!, probably some folks would have thought you were accusing them of being lazy -- but at least they probably wouldn't have thought you were being defeatist. But you're not likely to find words that everyone understands the way you meant them, because hey, people are different.

[Land Shark]

5. Yeah, to varying degrees people tend to think posts are all about THEM

they are looking at posts strategically instead of for their truth: how is this post going to affect me, * and various movements I care about?

People do this so often and frequently that it explains why so many think there are WMD in Iraq? OK, a few morons truly believe that but most are just voting for their team, and figure strategically that if they tick the button that says there are WMD in Iraq that will help the pResident the most, or help protect him the most.

People don't answer polls as if they are lie detector tests that must be passed. They are popularity contests and opportunties to slightly alter the political landscape by strategically answering questions designed to measure the "will of the people".

[TallahasseeGrannie]

8. I totally agree about polls

because I have answered them that way myself. (gulp)

And I am really a very nice, intelligent person. Kind of. Mostly.

[applegrove]

10. People think the posts are all about them? Well this isn't so much

a forum for discussing feelings as it is a forum for discussing politics & the like. Politics is something that is shared a bit. And the assumption is that DU is a sort of community. So people do take 'what is put out there' be it apathy, or lies, or bad behaviour as a reflection of themselves and the movement they work so hard at.


Much needs to be discussed. The moment for people to stop and listen intently to one person's personal feelings does occur. But it is not the intent of DU to be a place of personal boundaries and active listening to everything. The healing takes place here more by taking action not apathy. And by honest enthusiasm and shared commitment to soldier on, lift each other up, light a fire under some people, and share information.

[Stevepol]

11. I think NoBush, we've all been pretty depressed at times. I too

have posted some ideas that I realized later probably served to depress others and certainly didn't help achieve the outcome we all want: the restoration of our democracy.

It's such a big country and accomplishing anything just takes time and faith. I do think we're getting close to critical mass on the issue of the voting machines. I can hope anyway. And I can pray. Emerson believed our every thought was a prayer, and as someone once said, "Why worry when you can pray?" I guess prayer is really just guiding your thinking in ways that are constructive. But it's not easy sometimes with the solution so obvious and so few paying attention. DEMAND A PAPER BALLOT OR A VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOT PRINT-OUT AND REQUIRED AUDITS FOR ALL ELECTIONS WHERE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES ARE USED TO COUNT VOTES.

[autorank]

13. Hey NoBush...

Check out the "Greatest Thread" for the first post referenced;)