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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:14 PM
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Carter endorses national ID card to vote.
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000246.htm

Blogged by JC on 09.19.05 @ 01:52 PM ET

Five Pillars Without Any Legs

I just received a report about a rather strange gathering of the Baker Carter election reform commission. In a small, cramped room in the Capitol, President Jimmy Carter, James A. Baker, III, and more than a dozen other commissioners discussed the Report of the Baker-Carter Commission on Federal Election Reform in advance of the press conference scheduled for 1:30pm today. During the meeting, President Carter assailed the recent passage of the Georgia state voter ID law, which requires voters to pay out-of-pocket for an identification card in order to vote, and like a proud father, applauded his Commission for coming up with what he considers a viable solution. President Carter naively argued that he supported the idea of a federally mandated voter ID requirement because the federal government would incur the costs for voters to obtain the necessary identification--he takes an "everybody wins" approach. Carter's assessment of the Commission's proposed "solution" is way off the mark. Just as many provisions of Republican sponsored legislation have gone unfunded, this voter ID requirement will meet the same sticky feet and the voters will have to pick up the tab at the end of the day--and that's only if they're lucky. If they're not lucky, they will not get to vote at all--this is the more likely result of a federally mandated voter ID system.

Although most of the commissioners danced around the contentious issues in the report, tip-toeing as if they were walking on eggshells, George Washington University Law Professor Spencer Overton, in a brave act of defiance, stated the case for his dissent, remarking that the identification requirement suggested by the report made it impossible for him to side with some of his friends on the Commission. Professor Overton stressed that no evidence was ever presented that voter fraud is rampant in the electoral system--that one or two incidents does not equate to rampancy. He stated rather poignantly that this was "a solution in search of a problem" and that rather than addressing the unsubstantiated problem of fraud, an identification requirement would disenfranchise minority, poor, and elderly voters, and would set America back 40 years. Unfortunately, his statements seemed to have fallen on deaf ears, as former Washington Secretary of State, Ralph Munro retorted in exasperation that regardless of what one person may think about one small part of the report, this is a report that will advance our country for years to come.

One question left unanswered by this Commission: How do we expect to move forward when 10 million voters are left behind?

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Sign Rep. Conyers' letter to congressional leadership demanding No Voter ID in Any Voting Rights Legislation - http://johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=SUPERFORMS&SEC=%7B99FFEEE4-D8DC-4CD8-992B-9EB3A4F0123A%7D

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See related post - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2102385&mesg_id=2102385
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:20 PM
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1. You already are (supposed) to have an 'ID Card' to vote....
.. it's called.

A VOTER REGISTERATION CARD

Why not just COMBINE the functions and make the Voter Registeration Card a PHOTO CARD.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:31 PM
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2. Cards are free - and the compromise gets paper trail and registration
lists that are uniform and testable.

Conyors assumes the GOP promise to fund the cost of the cards is bull-shit and that it will be another unfunder mandate that the statesFeds will end up forcing a payment so as to cover the cost.

The disenfranchise minority, poor, and elderly voters is all plausible - but not a necessary outcome - I hope.

Assuming good faith on the part of the GOP, the package looks like a good compromise - IMHO.

Daschle and two others opposed the ID card but if implemented without destroying the system, it would take away the GOP's justification for all the fraud they are committing
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:41 PM
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4. I want to hope you are right - Conyers is my hero


and ususally he is on the right track.

All I want is for it to get fixed and fixed immediatlely.

Didn't I read that this couldn't start until 2010?

By that time we will have installed Jeb as King!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:35 PM
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7. Here are the links to the PBS interview and links to the document
MARGARET WARNER: Well, what's your evidence that the American people don't have confidence in it now?

JAMES BAKER: Well, just look at polls. There's still a lot of questions out there on the part of the people. As the president indicated, a lot of people don't think their votes are going to be adequately counted or accurately counted. Many people fear fraud on the other side and many people fear there's a denial of access.

And what this report does, frankly, in our opinion, is to hopefully eliminate the sterile debate that we have had in this country for so many years between the advocates of ballot integrity on the one hand and the advocates of ballot, greater access on the other.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec05/reform_9-19.html

Report (7.6MB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/full_report.pdf
(Download will take approximately 20 minutes on a dial-up connection, 4 minutes on a cable or dsl connection, and under 30 seconds on a LAN.)

The individual sections of the report can be downloaded below:

Introduction (130KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_introduction.pdf
(Table of Contents, Letter from the Co-Chairs, Preface by Executive Director, Executive Summary)

Section 1 -- Goals and Challenges of Election Reform (1.1MB)http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section1.pdf
Section 2 -- Voter Registration and Identification (950KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section2.pdf
Section 3 -- Voting Technology (690KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section3.pdf
Section 4 -- Expanding Access to Elections (1.1 MB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section4.pdf
Section 5 -- Improving Ballot Integrity (660KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section5.pdf
Section 6 -- Election Administration (1.0MB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section6.pdf
Section 7 -- Responsible Media Coverage (490KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section7.pdf
Section 8 -- Election Observation (520KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section8.pdf
Section 9 -- Presidential Primary and Post-Election Schedules (430KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_section9.pdf
Conclusion (135KB)
(Conclusion, Appendix, Endnotes)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_conclusion.pdf
Summary of Recommendations (83KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_summary.pdf
Additional Statements (60KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_additional.pdf
About the Commission (980KB)
http://www.american.edu/ia/cfer/report/CFER_about.pdf
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:40 PM
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3. Proposed Voter ID Could Be New Poll Tax
Proposed Voter ID Could Be New Poll Tax

by email

Stop James Baker III from Doing it Again

I have spent more than 40 years in public service fighting for voting rights and a better democracy. Today, I am sad to say, there are proposals being readied that would set us back in that struggle. A privately funded, unaccountable Commission organized by former Bush-Cheney campaign lawyer James Baker, III, and former President Jimmy Carter issued a report today that includes policy proposals that will disenfranchise over ten percent of eligible voters –– a national ID requirement to vote. This national voter ID proposal is essentially a poll tax that will disenfranchise Americans of all backgrounds, but the poor, the disabled, the elderly, students, and people of color would bear the greatest burden. The Katrina victims – those without the means to escape the storm – typify the population that the Commission's ID proposal will most likely leave out of our democracy.


Petition
http://johnconyers.com/petition


Donate
http://johnconyers.com/donate


Join With Me in Fighting Against This New Poll Tax Proposal
http://johnconyers.com

The simple fact is that many minority and poor voters do not have the time, money or need to purchase a drivers license. In fact, over ten percent of eligible voters in the last election did not have a photo ID. They vote by presenting other means of identification (a voter registration card, utility bill, or affidavit). This Commission is now asking Congress to deny the franchise to those voters unless they obtain a national ID card.

The implausible claim is made that Congress will pay for ID cards for those who cannot afford to buy them. Yet, given the shortfalls in funding and implementation of the Help America Vote Act, combined with the multibillion-dollar costs for restoration of the Gulf Coast and the ongoing war in Iraq, we know this is not going to happen.
Join With Me in Fighting Against This New Poll Tax Proposal
http://johnconyers.com

Even those who would not be directly affected by this provision have expressed concern about its potential threat to personal privacy. The institution of a National ID card has throughout world history been a tool of repression. This recommendation, coupled with the Commission's recommendation of interoperable databases of voters, would mark the first step toward the creation of national registries of American citizens.

Make no mistake about it, this national ID voting card will result in the disenfranchisement of poor and minority voters and make us susceptible to the same old Ken Blackwell-style Republican electoral dirty tricks that cost Senator Kerry the election in Ohio. Remember the lack of voting machines in Ohio for Democratic voters? Remember the machines that broke down or registered strange numbers of votes for George Bush or unknown third party candidates? Remember Ken Blackwell's paper weight requirements for voter registration cards?

Imagine if the Republican party can, in one fell swoop, apply new legal obstacles to more than ten percent of voters, most of them poor, minority and elderly voters, most of them Democratic voters, from being able to vote.

I am challenging you to get involved and fight this poll tax. Visit my website, http://johnconyers.com, to sign my petition to House Leadership and write a letter to the editor demanding that this proposal not be enacted. I have converted this website into a voting rights action center to address this issue. It will be constantly updated with up-to-the-minute news on this issue and actions you can take to help.

Thank you for your help and your continued stand for a better democracy.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:47 PM
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5. WTF - Carter is selling us out?
Like hell I want a national ID card. One more way for the repugs to watch everything we do.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:05 PM
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6. Read Larisa Alexandrovna’s article in HuffPo
Read Larisa Alexandrovna’s article in HuffPo - Baked-Cooked Election Reform
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4829315&mesg_id=4829315
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:25 PM
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8. no problem if it's open source.
otherwise there's no accountability.
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