Bill Maher just said re 2008 : "Diebold hasn't even printed

[EFerrari]

the fake ballots yet."

He's never said anything about this to my knowledge.

I think he got a press copy of Mark's book.

:toast:

[nicknameless]

1. That's great!

K&R for more people waking up!

[EFerrari]

3. MCM's people must have sent a book and a pitch

because Maher NEVER has spoken so plainly.

We're doing it.

:toast:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. I Recall He Had Called It Tin-Foil

When it had come up back in '05, he really wasn't interested in discussing it, and did not buy into the whole "machine" problems or exit polls discrepancies.

[EFerrari]

4. Yes! He has done an about face.

:)

[kster]

5. Did any of these guys have

Mark Crispin Miller or anyone that would talk serious about the election theft machines , David Letterman, BILL Maher, John steward........

Maybe we need to boycott these shows right along with the the big three ring circus corporate media news shows :rofl: , sorry I had to laugh when I said news shows, because the only way they will permit the comedians to say something on air about the election theft machines is to get a good laugh out of it.

It just seems we get all happy to see it being brought up on air but it really doesn't make a difference to our cause, if it can only be brought up to get a good laugh.

[EFerrari]

6. Imho, Maher's comment tonight was a good thing.

Because you know how off limits the whole issue is.

No one was laughing AT the idea. The audience was laughing WITH it.

That's a gain for us, plainly.

And we need to get Mark on Maher's show and on the Daily Show and on KO.

That's the job.

:)

[orleans]

7. are you sure maher wasn't being weirdly sarcastic and making

fun of people who only "think" the machines and diebold were the problem?

(i hope not, but....)

and mark was on the daily show--not doing a sit down with jon but in a piece ed helms did. it was about a small town that changed it's name to some satellite company or something (like dish texas--i don't remember exactly--but helms brought up oscar the grouch and miller said oscar eats the garbage, and then mark said something to the effect of "i can't believe i'm having this conversation..." (it was pretty funny--you had to see it, i'm telling it horribly)

agreed! he should definitely have a sit down with jon.

i don't get hbo so i haven't seen maher's show since politically incorrect went off network

[EFerrari]

9. Bill was on our side. One of the few skills I bring here

is the ability to read comedians. He was being serious-funny. Which leads me to believe that he's changed his mind about electronic voting.

I caught Mark in that skit about the town that changed its name to Dish. He was hilarious.

The job right now really is getting Mark booked on these three shows.

The longer everyone has to review these POS, the more voices will be raised against them.

We can shorten the learning curve by helping Mark get booked into these venues.

[orleans]

16. i loved his fooled again book

(bought 11 copies and sent 10 copies to ten senators)

and diebold has, at last, hit the county i live in. my kid is an election judge--she was "trained" to set up the machine (complete with "paper receipt" that the voter never sees--they weren't even told what to do if there was a paper jam or if the paper roll runs out!) and of course, the secret's in the software--no one is allowed to see it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2512687&mesg_id=2512687

[EFerrari]

33. I've sent copies around, too. Have bought 5 and given them all

away.

I'm no one's groupie but Mark did a good job of laying out all the arguments. So, the least I can do is help as many people as possible read them.

Thank you for your help. :)

[orleans]

38. thank you for your help too! (smile) n/t

[fooj]

46. Did you catch this?

"How come you have a 32% approval rating and a 99% percent election rating? C'mon...and we laughed when Saddam had 99%. Please."

That was a real winner in my book.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

52. I remember that, fooj. I want to compile that stuff you all found

and send it to his producer -- in the nicest way. :)

[fooj]

56. Good idea.

Peace.

[kster]

11. Agreed, but I think

a good old fashion boycott of Dave, John and Bill would help them to convince corporate, that they have to do more than crack a joke every now and again about the election theft machines in order to satisfy us.

K&R....................

[EFerrari]

13. I've never backed off from a boycott but but but

these guys seem just this far from GETTING IT.

My impulse would be to help them get up to speed first.

(But tonight, the sound barrier was broken. LOL!)

Beth

/ack

[Amaryllis]

97. It still plants the seed in the public consciousness, even if it is for a

laugh. Exposure is always good!

[infogirl]

8. Do write to Bills show to have as a guest....

Florida congressional candidate Clint Curtis!! Only Bill can get away with that....

here is a link for the show...please write to have on Clint Curtis...

http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=Real%20Time%20with%20Bill%20Maher&questiontype=realtimewithbillmaher

The G-Q public needs to know about the curtis affidavit!!
:nuke:

[infogirl]

10. On the last show...the one with Gary Hart...

Bill went through a laundry list of Bush failures...then said but somehow I believe if the election were held tomorrow...he would get reelected! The panel went stond cold silent!

That is when I wrote to Bill, and told him Clint Curtis has the answers to how that would happen.

[EFerrari]

12. Welcome to DU, infogirl

:hi:

[infogirl]

17. thanks sfexpat2000

:hi:

[nicknameless]

14. A Jay Leno joke from a couple months back:

"Rumor is that President Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, may run for president. Rumor is? According to Florida voting machines, he's already won." --Jay Leno

For those who rely on teevee for their news, this could be a real awakening.

:toast:

[EFerrari]

15. Once it's airborne in the culture, we win.

But it would be a good thing to get Mark on these shows -- as Mr. Conyers can't and the GAO won't.

:)

[infogirl]

18. Clint Curtis would be more damaging....

and he is running...and it would propell him to take out the guy who did this in fla...Tom Feeney!

[kster]

22. To me it seems like a

mind game, the comedians can crack jokes all they want about the election theft machines, but never, never ,never are they allowed to have a guest on that talks seriously about them election theft machines.

"Rumor is that President Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, may run for president. Rumor is? According to Florida voting machines, he's already won." --Jay Leno

This is true but yet the people don't know that thIS is indeed FACT
not a joke, but FACT that this can happen. Thats the difference.

[EFerrari]

26. I think you are right, kster. The job is to take it from joke

to discussion.

It's not all that far, you know.

[nicknameless]

35. Well...

I feel like we've got to start somewhere.

A lot of people who have voted on DREs, or those who were made to wait hours and hours to vote, or the tens of thousands whose absentee ballot never showed up, or those who had their polling place moved at the last minute, (etc, ad nauseam) don't think it's just a joke. And people who listen to the 'thugs say one thing, but do another are getting it. I think that more and more people are realizing that something is seriously wrong here. Humor is a great tool for getting your point across to people who might otherwise tune out. Serious speakers need to be heard, but I'm just glad to know that *anything* is being said on this topic.

[kster]

37. Thats all small potatoes right now,

we have the Harri Husti Hack and so much more, no reason to beat around the * they need to get on it, with serious discussion, the networks make money when we watch these guys thats why they allow them to talk election theft machines so long as it is in joke form ONLY.

It feels good to me also when Dave, John and Maher say something about Election theft machines, but it is not enough by no means, it will never get us anywhere as long as they won't have a Mark or a Fritakis on for discussion about the election theft machines.

I am on your side, I luv the joke's always have, but I come to realize that joking about serious matters will NEVER produce the results that we are trying to achieve.

I think their jokes are in reality working against us.

I hope I am totally wrong about this........But thats the way I see it.

[nicknameless]

39. No one said it was enough.

It's a start.

I disagree completely with your view of it working against us.
I see it as an excellent way to plant seeds of truth in the brains of those who aren't ready for a serious discussion of how these thugs have turned the US into a dictatorship in just 5 years.

Humor is an excellent teaching tool. Ask anyone who teaches.

[kster]

42. This is not the first joke I've heard

about the election theft machines since the 2004 election, So what do the comedians have to their credit as far as exposing the election theft machines?

"Humor is an excellent teaching tool", when you are teaching kids that don't have a care in the world, But when you are teaching adults, facts on TV (which we have) are a much better tool Fritakis, Miller, Sancho so on ..............

[nicknameless]

45. “What do the comedians have to their credit as far as exposing ...

the election theft machines?”

Look at the jokes on this page so far. They have all indicated that these *comedians* believe that election fraud has occurred.

Where do you get that on the news, besides Olbermann? They’ve brought this concept into the public’s awareness through their teevee sets -- so couch potatoes everywhere can hear it. That IS a big deal, whether or not you choose to acknowledge the importance of that feat.

Humor is an excellent teaching tool, regardless of the audience’s age.

PLEASE HEAR THIS ALREADY!: NO ONE has said that jokes are enough.

[kster]

51. You don't have to yell

:rofl: I'm just not in total agreement with you.

[EFerrari]

53. There you go, having your own priorities. What will we with you.

:)

[nicknameless]

58. Huh? Now you *don't* agree that jokes aren't enough? .... 'kay, honey

:eyes:

[kster]

61. Thanks for not yelling, we need more serious discussion

not more jokes, when will they Dave, Bill, Jon start talking about election fraud seriously. I am happy as hell with all the jokes about it but after a year and a half of jokes its time to talk serious about the election fraud on TV atleast once in a while. :hide:

[nicknameless]

62. 'kay, honey

:hi:

[kster]

64. Bart Simpson in a Diebold suit, that will get the message out.

:eyes:

[nicknameless]

67. 'kay, honey

:boring:

[kster]

68. Dave, Bill and Jon can interview Bart simpson

they can laugh and joke about his Dioebold shirt and Alaska, California,Florida and Ohio, and we can call the show "Kay Honey" That should get the word out about the election theft machines.

[nicknameless]

69. You want to talk more about this? You refuse to give it a rest? Fine.

Let's talk some more about your brilliant plan to boycott the only people with the balls to talk about election theft machines on the air -- NOT the advertisers of actual NEWS shows that won't say a word about it.

That should do a lot to further the cause. :eyes:

What the hell is your problem? Need a beer? A joint? Something stronger? You aren't making any sense!

[kster]

72. I'm going to go with

"something stronger" after talking with you. Because to me You aren't making any sense!

Kay Honey, What the hell is that?

[nicknameless]

73. "'kay, honey" was me giving up on the conversation... But you wouldn't

let it go.

Let’s examine this subthread. It all began with a joke.

Your replies included the following:
#22 “…the comedians can crack jokes all they want about the election theft machines...”
#37 “Thats all small potatoes right now...”
#42 “This is not the first joke I've heard...”
#61 “… we need more serious discussion not more jokes...”
#64 “Bart Simpson in a Diebold suit, that will get the message out.”
#68 “Dave, Bill and Jon can interview Bart simpson they can laugh and joke about his Dioebold shirt...”


My replies to you included the following:
#35 “Serious speakers need to be heard, but I'm just glad to know that *anything* is being said on this topic.”
#39 “No one said it was enough. It's a start.”
#45 “PLEASE HEAR THIS ALREADY!: NO ONE has said that jokes are enough.”

You complained about my yelling at you in reply #45, but you obviously didn’t bother to read what I wrote. You aren’t reading/comprehending my posts. You just want to fight, for some reason ... over nothing.

[kster]

80. No#51

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=417431&mesg_id=417548

Thats where I was ready to to end it. you probably didn't read/comprehend my post. But

:thumbsup: Lets move to the Next ORDER OF BUSINESS.

[nicknameless]

82. Huh? What did I yell? "NO ONE has said that jokes are enough."

Yet EVERY single reply you posted after that, addressed the issue of jokes not being enough.

Why do you want to argue about something we agree on?

[kster]

84. I am trying to end it.

for the second time, but for some reasom YOU have to feel like you have won SOMETHING. One more try AND THEN WE ARE ON :thumbsup:

[nicknameless]

85. 'kay, honey

:hi:

[kster]

87. Got anything new yet, that is very old

[nicknameless]

88. You're incoherent. You want to argue over an issue we agree on.

You want avoid the fact that you've been arguing over what we agree on.
So I gave you a dismissive reply. Repeatedly.

Your posts to me haven't merited more than that.

[Name removed]

89. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nicknameless]

90. Such substantive argument. Very persuasive.

:eyes:

[Name removed]

91. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nicknameless]

92. What are you drinking?

[kster]

93. Yes sir, Sit down and give your mind a rest.

[kster]

95. Are you always this

silly or are you making a special effort today. Just curious

[kster]

86. Above is a Response to 82

[EFerrari]

48. Sure! But repeating the message of concern in any venue

has value.

After the White House was stolen for Junior, we put together a political set for Doug and keep updating it. It's just one more form of activism. Same with the column, same with any venue we can think of.

[roseBudd]

49. many a true word is said in jest and may be a more productive means of

getting the info out there. Super serious types think everyone will if given a CD or a 350 page book would read it or view the contents. Chances are the majority, even those with good intentions, won't get around to it.

Which is why getting them to spend 5 minutes on http://bushcheated04.com

and another 4 minutes viewing http://bushcheated04.com/loser.html

could just cause them to be willing to check out http://bushcheated04.com/links.html which of course could result in them spending an extended period of time reading the voluminous material that suggests that BushCheated04.com though a parody is probably true.

[kster]

66. You are correct, somewhat

but until we realize that Dave, Bill and Jon are working for the same companies that gives us the supposed news, we will get nowhere.

I like to call it the "Window Where the Masses Won't Wake Up" thats 6 months before an election and 2 months after, thats where they will ALLOW election news on TV, DEAN and STEWARD come to mind, because both did a show 6 months prior to the 2004 election and Air America was able to talk freely about it up until 1 in a half months after, and not a word since.

ThatS because the masses 6 months before an election will think "conspiracy theorist" and a couple months after an election will think " sore losers" thats the "Window Where The Masses Won't Wake up" to the possibility of election theft. So on TV and Radio everyone is FREE to talk about the election theft, thats the Window Where The Masses Won't Wake Up.

Outside of that 8 month window,election fraud is only permitted in joke FORM.

[roseBudd]

96. I'll take all the jokes I can get at least now the masses are hearing the

word Diebold and hopefully starting to wonder how votes are counted.

[kster]

98. I give all the credit to sites like yours for getting it out

to the people.

[nicknameless]

19. But wait, there's more!

"It was so hot down in Florida Jeb Bush was rigging ice machines." --David Letterman

"Florida Governor Jeb Bush announced that to avoid any election return problems in Florida this year, this time he is going to announce the results before people go into vote." --Jay Leno

"Governor Jeb Bush of Florida announced he was running for re-election. Not only did he announce he was running for re-election, he also announced what his final vote count would be." —Jay Leno


I think they *do* get it. But saavy guests to keep hammering the point would be great! :)

(BTW, these were just Jeb jokes. Probably more jokes about election fraud were aired.)

[EFerrari]

23. Wow. I didn't know the guys were doing so much on this.

That's cool. It really IS out there in the ether!

:toast:

But, I really do mean, first we have to get Mark on TDS, on Maher's show and on Keith's.

:)

[kster]

25. I like this idea lets do it................nt

[EFerrari]

28. I'll try. To find contacts for producers and all that.

Whatever it takes.

It's just teevee, it's not Mars. :silly:

[Syrinx]

44. some info

Maria Pope (Executive Producer of The Late Show With David Letterman)

Maria Pope, who was named an executive producer of the LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN in May 2000, began her association with David Letterman in 1982.

She started as an intern at "Late Night with David Letterman" during the summers of 1982 and 1983, began working full time as a receptionist at the late-night talk show in May 1984 and was soon promoted to writers' assistant. During the next 10 years, Pope held several positions with Letterman's writing staff, including writers' researcher, segment coordinator, segment producer and writer.

For many years, she coordinated the videotaped remote segments, including the much-heralded appearance of Dave's mom, Dorothy, at the 1994 Olympic Winter Games and "Mujibur & Sirajul Across America." In 1996, she was promoted to senior segment producer and produced interview segments with guests ranging from Richard Simmons to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Pope became a producer for the LATE SHOW in 1998 and has won five consecutive Emmy Awards for Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002).

A native Texan, born in Austin and raised in Houston, Pope was graduated in 1984 from Southern Methodist University in Dallas with a B.A. in journalism and English. She lives in New York.

Ben Karlin (Executive Producer of The Daily Show With Jon Stewart)

Ben Karlin joined "The Daily Show" as head writer in 1999 and has served as an executive producer for the series since 2003. During his time with the show he has received four Emmy Awards. In addition, Karlin and the series were awarded a Peabody Award for its "razor-sharp coverage of the 2000 presidential campaign." Prior to his work at "The Daily Show," Karlin was an editor of The Onion, a satirical weekly newspaper that he joined while still in college at the University of Wisconsin.

Izzy Povich (Executive Producer Of Countdown With Keith Olbermann

I couldn't find a proper bio of her but there's a classic story about her here http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7873141/

[EFerrari]

47. Thanks!

:)

[Syrinx]

74. you're welcome

I would be pleased as punch to see a media blitz with MCM. :hi:

[kster]

57. Thanks.........nt

[Kurovski]

20. K&R. This is good news!

I hope I can catch a rerun.

[EFerrari]

29. I'm sure you will! It wasn't my favorite show until he said

DIEBOLD.

lol

[Kurovski]

70. WELL! That moment certainly stood out!

Just saw it...even though I knew it was coming, I had a visceral reaction. My face even became flushed! I think I'm getting too wrapped up in this whole election thing.:-)

The audience response was pretty unique as well, not everyone seemed to know what the joke was about, but those who did certainly were grateful for the mention! Wow.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!!! :bounce:

[nicknameless]

21. IMO, the most powerful, kick-ass speaker is Bob Fitrakis.

Ooooh.... Bob Fitrakis on The Daily Show!!! :D

[infogirl]

24. John Bonifanz too...

and the rest need to get on TV with the election fraud...

[nicknameless]

31. The more the better.

Welcome to DU, infogirl! :hi:

[EFerrari]

27. Is the nation ready for Bob?

HELL YES!

:)

[nicknameless]

30. I watched a speech of his a while back ...

Took a good 30 minutes to get my jaw off the floor. :wow:

[EFerrari]

34. He was the first one to write about the 2004 theft.

He kept me sane -- sane as I am.

lol

[kster]

32. Bob Fritakis vs Diebold

[nicknameless]

36. And the winner is --

:toast:

[nicknameless]

40. Two more:

"A quick reminder for all Iraqis watching -- the crooked voting machines are due back to Florida by Friday." --David Letterman

"Now that Bush has accepted the nomination the next step, of course, is the rigging of the voting machines." --David Letterman

[nicknameless]

41. Here's Maher from 2004.

http://www.easternecho.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?7080

BM: I think we could be headed for a debacle all over the country. For a country that's out there supposedly spreading freedom and democracy, we don't do democracy very well right here in our own country. And I've never understood why elections are not run federally. I don't know why, that they're something that you leave to the senior citizen down the street in his garage. And I don't understand why they say, "Well, if it's close we do a recount, but every time you do a recount you get a different number. You can never really know the votes down to the last one." Why? They do it with money. I never hear anybody at the bank say, "Hey, we don't know exactly how much this is, but it's pretty close. We hope we got it near to what's right."

Echo: Yeah, it's around such-and-such.

BM: Yeah, exactly.

Echo: So you're worried about that all over the country, then?

BM: Yes. I mean, I think a lot of it -- they're trying new voting machines. A lot of the new voting machines, they don't have a paper trail; they're completely computerized. The head of the voting machine company, Diebold, said he's a fervent Bush backer. What sort of football game would it be if the referee came out in the middle and said, "You know what, I am just a die-hard Packers fan"?

And how about this:

BM: Well, they're more united than they have been in the past. I'll give that to them. They really want to beat George Bush. Of course, the problem isn't beating him; it's convincing him that he lost.

Also ... I didn't know he had a blog on HuffPost. Wow! :toast:

[EFerrari]

50. This is great. These can be used in a pitch!

:toast:

[kster]

43. Allowed ONLY prior to the election

http://avirubin.com/vote/dailyshow.mov

but mums the word after the election, EVEN THOUGH WE NOW HAVE PROOF.

[Greeby]

54. woah, never seen this

I wasn't watching TDS back in April 04. As I was only just becoming aware of US politics, with the primaries and all that

[EFerrari]

55. Yep. Authorized Propaganda is right now reporting "glitches"

where November 2004 anyone who said Boo! was a dissident. :eyes:

That's why getting this information out in ANY venue now should be a priority.

[nicknameless]

59. Maher had a great interview with Gore Vidal that addressed voting machines

Unfortunately, Al Franken was there to water the discussion down. :(
(He doesn't believe 2004 was stolen. Wouldn't he be great in Congress? x( )

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6098

May Thursday 19th 2005
Bill Maher show openly discusses vote fraud, smoking gun memo and the truth about Iraq

Clips from the last Bill Maher show of the season with Al Franken, Liz Marlantes and GORE VIDAL!

Okay, let’s get to it. Ohio, what went wrong in Ohio? The Democrats seem to be in two camps about losing the last two elections. One camp says, “Get over it! You know, you’re making us look worse by just belaboring the fact that we lost to this man.” And the other side says, “No. There are irregularities and they’re stealing elections. And the one thing the Democrats shouldn’t do is get over it.”

GORE VIDAL: Well, I quite agree. We shouldn’t. If we’re to have a republic. And after the 2000 election, somebody said, “Do you think he’ll get re-elected?” I said, “Well, he hasn’t been elected, so far.” “But he may be reappointed by the Supreme Court.” But I said, “Look, he’ll lose again, but he’ll probably serve a second term, because they’ve got four years between 2000 and 2004 to make sure that he gets an overwhelming vote from Diebold, the electronic machines

MAHER: Yeah, I mean, the thing that I found disturbing about this - and I’m not a conspiracy theorist - is that everybody agrees there were irregularities. And when you say that, the Republicans go, “Well, shit happens.” Except that all the shit favored Bush. All the shit that happened seemed to favor one guy.That does strike me as-

LIZ MARLANTES: The Republicans will, if you ask them - I mean, they will offer up certain examples of things they think went wrong that didn’t favor them, like dead people being on the voting rolls in Ohio . They will point to irregularities that didn’t work in their favor as well.

VIDAL: Well, there’s one interesting irregularity. There were three third-party candidates that nobody in Ohio had heard of, except perhaps their mothers--and they’re on the ballot. They got more votes, just three of these people that nobody knew, than Kerry, who was the best-financed Democratic candidate for president in years. Now, that’s very odd.

<snip>

There’s a link to the “full transcript”, but it doesn’t seem to work.

[Amaryllis]

60. If Al is running against Coleman with the same setup that got Norm

elected the first time, Norm will win again no matter who runs against him.
Al needs to figure that out if he is serious about winning.

[nicknameless]

63. He has a choice to make, doesn't he?

Face the ugly truth or be "defeated" by it.

[Amaryllis]

99. That he does!

[kster]

65. kick.nt

[Kurovski]

71. Has everyone kissed and made up on this damn thread?

Is everyone cool? :hug::bounce::hug::bounce::loveya:

[nicknameless]

75. .

:*

[nicknameless]

76. BTW, If I had known you were going to be so funny on that "Suckuoia"

thread, I would have recommended it. :D

"Dirty thieving bastards for 200, Land Shark!"

:rofl:

[Kurovski]

77. You're sweet!

Acceptable alternate spelling: "Sukuoia". :hi:

[nicknameless]

78. I like your original.

"'Suckuoia'--Just a typo that spellcheck failed to catch."

:D

[Kurovski]

79. D'oh!

:-)

[kster]

81. Thanks for asking, I think so

Lets go get Diebold!!!!!!!!!

[Kurovski]

83. YES! And don't forget Suckuoia!

;-):bounce:

[EFerrari]

94. I was at the movies.

lol

:grouphug:

Suckquoia. That's great.