Paper Ballots Now! Hand counts NOW! Democracy NOW! Impeachment NOW! nt

[In Truth We Trust]

[ClassWarrior]

1. Now and forever, Truth.

NGU!

[FogerRox]

2. I second the motion

[tigereye]

3. the eighteenth century now!

and while you are at it, get out some sealing wax.

Seriously, there must be a way to have technology and accountability.

[Kurovski]

4. Yes, if a cash machine can do it, yes.

But where votes are involved, there will always be someone who wants to mess. They don't WANT to make it accountable. The best they will do is make it APPEAR accountable.

Votes are easier to steal than money, perhaps in part because voting doesn't really mean all that much to so many Americans.

[tigereye]

5. unfortunately I think that votes have been stolen in

one way or another for years. There has been much debate here where I live in Pittsburgh about which ones to buy and the county rejected one type due to accountability problems. I guess I'm not really sure that paper ballots are the way to go, either. We have had the metal flip- type machines for decades. I'm not sure what the answer is.

[Kurovski]

6. Yep, groups always have, and always will steal votes.

I say this as a Chicago native.

I guess the answer is to make it as difficult as possible for the thieves, and as easy as possible for the law-abiding.

By the way, I enjoyed your "18th century" riff. :D

[tigereye]

20. mmm every now and then

my latent sarcasm rears it's head. I'm a big fan of the rational approach to things. :)

[Jim Sagle]

7. FNA. KNR.

[grannylib]

8. I think we're beyond impeachment, don't you? I mean...if they could

impeach Clinton over a lie about a stained blue dress, don't you think that for the BFEE and all associated with them that execution for treason is more like it??

[goclark]

10. So where is the Plan to do something about it!

All I hear from Democrats is bitching and complaining.

Is there anyone that has a real plan,the clock is ticking.

IMO, it is DIVIDE and CONQUER on this issue as far as the Republicans are concerned.

They know we have no plan, they know the Media will never address the issue because they bought the MSM, they know that we will not go to the Supreme Court:puke: and they know we ain't gonna do nothing but talk about it.


Where is the ALL OUT PLAN from DEAN and the DNC?

Where is the PLAN from MoveOn? DU? Any damn body!

[BeFree]

11. Here's an idea

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=423393&mesg_id=423393

Paper Ballots, hand counted for all Federal elections

[goclark]

12. That would be lovely

What who is PLANNING to MAKE it happen?
My point is not the ideas it is the PLAN.

[BeFree]

13. We have a volunteer?

You are a part of this democracy, right?

And if you see a need, and have an idea how to fix that need, then you will see that the need is fixed, right?

[goclark]

14. I sure am a part of America

thanks for reminding me :sarcasm:

I did suggest an idea to DU about a paper trail.
They advised me to send my idea to MoveOn.

That I did and I am still waiting for a reply.

I wish that I did have the power to design a PLAN but it would take more than goclark to have the influence for a PLAN to work.

You can badger me if you wish but I want someone to tell me what PLAN the DNC has for us to have fair elections!

I have not seen their plan or any other that has a huge influence,one that DEMOCRATS can rally behind.

Everyone keeps saying, "We Need A Paper Trail," boy I can really get behind that one. I believe it will work with all my heart, I truly do.

But again, WHO is in charge?

[BeFree]

16. Badgering?

I don't think so.

Anyway, the DNC is sitting on an upright thumb when considering the facts that our votes have been stolen.

We've asked that Dean speak out, and I'm sure lots of Dem bigshots have been aprised of the facts.

Still, no movement, just sitting there on their thumbs. So, we are in charge.

CHARGE!

[goclark]

17. CHARGE ! BeFree

We will be marching behind you!

[BeFree]

19. Behind?

Rather that we march together, arm in arm.

I always get nervous when there are angry people behind me.

This is our country, and we are talking about our votes.

If not enough people decide to walk this way, talking is all we'll ever do, eh?

So tell me, what do you think about congress passing a law mandating paper ballots for the house, senate and presidential elections?

I have followed a few laws being made, and all it takes is one member of congress willing to introduce a bill. Then they look around for sponsors. Do you think HCPB for federal elections stands a chance?

[goclark]

21. Why would you think that I would

be angry??

I'm not angry at all.

[BeFree]

22. Excuse me

I thought the very high potential to have your vote stolen would make you angry. As an American voter the very idea that my vote could easily be stolen by the machines keeping my vote makes me very, very angry.

Just me, I guess.

[goclark]

25. For some reason I didn't read your post in that manner

I hope that you realize that I visit DU because I am angry, extremely angry about the stolen election.

I worked 8+ hours a day and registered over 500 people to vote in '04,what would lead you to believe that I didn't want to have a FAIR election!

Never mind, I don't need an answer, I got it.

[BeFree]

26. Dear go

The statement about angry people behind me was not directed at you personally, besides, it was just a quip, more or less, a joke.

[goclark]

27. Thanks for the clarification BeFREE ~ PEACE nt

[autorank]

9. I am autorank and I endorse this message. K&R!!! n/t

[Kurovski]

15. I am Kurovski and I endorse autorank!

Kick! :-)

[kster]

18. I am Kster and I endorse Kurovski and Autorank!

kick!

[Kurovski]

24. I am Kurovski and I endorse Kster endorsing Kurovski and Autorank!

And Kster!

[diva77]

23. Unless you have a product and a vendor, no elections officials will give

you the time of day. If you want hand counted paper ballots, turn it into a product with a vendor for real.

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