Great video clip on the MANY advantages of opscans over DRE's

[Amaryllis]

http://www.oregonvrc.org/files/Do-The-Math-128kps.wmv

It is about 5 minutes, and features a town clerk from MA plus
the sales rep for LHS (vendor in New England, reps for
Diebold). In both cases they lay out how much more simple and more
cost-effective opscan is than the alternative. In particular,
Mr. Haje from LHS points out a cost savings of $50,000
for a 4000-person "precinct" in New York, based on the
difference in costs between getting full-face DREs and
an opscan system to serve those voters. $64,000 for DREs,
$14,000 for the OS system he describes, including the
voting booths.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

1. video is fairly short, well done, will use

We have one county that is holding out, may send the link to their
commissioners.

The video is not too long, pretty interesting.

Thank you for the link.

[Amaryllis]

3. good to show election officials! they will listen to their own.

[wakeme2008]

2. I like OpScan machines. :) there is a recount piece of paper

there.

And on the cost, that film is 100% correct. Tampa was looking at Opscan vs TS and OpScan was like $3,000,000 and TS was $18,000,000 and it has gone up since they brought it just because of the time it take to do TS is greater than what the machine makers said it would be.

[nicknameless]

4. Good.

Of course, paper and pens are even cheaper and yield more reliable results. ::sigh::
Sorry, I drifted a bit there.

K&R for more info discouraging DRE use.

[Wilms]

5. Mr. Haje was cool.

His company screwed up that Grafton, NH election. But he's got the DRE's down.

What a shame. He seems like a reasonable guy. But he's essentially a privatized BoE, and as such, needs to go.

[In Truth We Trust]

6. Paper ballots and Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!! Not opscan or anythi

ng with even just one line of software code. Opscan can be manipulated too!

[IndyOp]

7. OPSCAN VOTING - ELECTIONS CAN BE STOLEN

1) Having voter-verified paper ballots means NOTHING unless they are counted REGARDLESS of outcome. If recounts are only triggered when the 'result' is within 1% or 10% or 25% -- then all the thieves have to do is change a 52%/48% win to a 30%/70% loss. If we are going to not bother to survey voters, or not believe poll results, then all the thieves have to do is STEAL BIG and no one will ever examine the opscan ballots.

2) All voting technology is open to fraud because all votes pass through the Central Tabulators that have secret software and counts can be easily changed. Central Tabulators run Microsoft Access and anyone -- anyone -- can be shown how to change the vote fallies.

If you haven't seen Bev Harris showing Howard Dean how to hack into Central Tabulators watch this movie go to the link below and watch "Votergate the Movie" - If you don't want to watch the whole movie, then let it load and fastforward until you see Howard Dean - it is about half way through the movie.

Yes, opscan is an improvement over DREs -- but it is an illusory improvement if we do not also conduct a hand-count after every election.

:(

[Amaryllis]

10. Of course you are right, but at least with opscans we can DO a hand

count since they use paper ballots.

[Wilms]

11. Correct you are.

But when a DRE fails, ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x424197 ) you get long lines. Not neccessarily so with OpScan.

[truckin]

8. Excellent video!

It has been sent to the CT Secretary of the State and I just hope she watches it. Thanks Amaryllis.

[Patsy Stone]

9. K&R!

Thanks!