Bush voters.
John said:
There's a temptation here to lay all election problems at the feet of Secretary Blackwell. While it's clear Blackwell's record as chief election adminstrator is abysmal, the longer term objectives of true election reform suggest citizens and legislators take a much broader view.
Face it, most citizens -- of which I am one -- were blissfully ignorant of election processes until Florida 2000. Then we began seeing the sordid mess our elections were, and still are, in. Punch cards woefully indadequate for accurate vote tabulation; central tabulators that can be easily hacked; the politial role of Secretaries of State; improper voter purging; recounts halted, and so forth.
While we're stuck at the present time with the results of two flawed presidential elections which in part gave us 9/11, several thousand American casualities in Iraq, up to 200,000 civilian casualties in Iraq, and an American image at an all time low, the longer term question is whether there will be a viable democracy in these United States. Thank goodness folks are finally waking up and taking a look at our elections, the very basis of our form of government. This is neither a Republican nor Democratic issue, it is an American issue. Let the investigations continue, and let the chips fall where they may.
9:13 PM, September 03, 2006
Anonymous said...
Bush won twice you say? Then why not give full access to public records and let them attempt to make their case in a fair court of law? If you are so confident, Jeff, then why not let them try and fall on their faces if nothing is there? Even better, If Blackwell has nothing to hide-how about him going under oath and testifying to the House Judiciary Staff?
11:34 PM, September 03, 2006
Anonymous said...
Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 by over .5 million votes. In adidtion, the State of Florida took 50,000 black Floridians, legitimate voters, off the rolls before the election. That's a fact. Florida and and the software vendor agreed to a consent decree to settle the case. No doubt at all. With those voters, Florida isn't even close. Oh, and there's the 110 thousand discar ballots, "spoiled", in primarily black precincts in 2000. Bush was selected not elected.
The statistical work Hayes has done is first rate. I've reviewed it. If you think Bush won Ohio, then throw oopen the books, investigate, debate, and be prepared for a rude surprise. It was stolen in 2004 too!
Did you know Bush's net margin in rural rural was less in 2004 than he in 2000, less, fewer. He broke even in the subburbs. Where did he make up for the losses? IMHO, two Bush "victories" is nonsense. Hayes has his analysis down tight.
Fasten your seatbelts Ohio. Of course, will it get covered...why not!!!
Michael Collins
11:58 AM, September 04, 2006
John Galt said...
Gore won in 2000 Jeff. He won the popular vote, and it was the supreme court that appointed Bush president. Who knows who actually won in 2004, with the voting irregularities in Ohio and Florida.
2:03 PM, September 04, 2006
Andy said...
John; Gore didn't win in 2000. Popular vote doesn't elect a president and every major newspaper counted the ballots from the 2000 election in Flordia. Al just didn't have the votes. Get over it. As far as 2004 goes, I agree let it go to court so you and the rest of the cry babies can have your day and then shut up!!
5:12 PM, September 04, 2006
Jeff said...
Anon 11:34, they've kept the ballots for 22 months as required by law. The sore losers have had nearly 2 years to make any of their conspiracy theories work.
The 2004 Elections have been decided. George Bush won, with room to spare. Get over it!
11:28 PM, September 04, 2006
Anonymous said...
Jeff & Andy, Bush stole the 2000 election twice.
The London Observer on November 26, 2000 wrote:
Vice President Al Gore would've easily strolled to victory in Florida if the state hadn't kicked upt to 66,000 citizens off the voter registar five months ago as former felons. In fact, not all were ex-cons. Most were simply guilty of being African American.
CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin proves it in his book "Too close to call".
The U.S. Civil; Rights Commision held hearings about the disenfranchisement of voters. Their draft report shows incredible disparities between spoiled votes in poor and rich counties, particularly in African American districts.
"Black voters were 10 times more likely than non black voters to have their ballots rejected."
The Wall Street Journal noted the discrepancies: "While the overall rejection rate was just under 3%, the rate was nearly four times as high in the precints that are predominantly black".
The Supreme Court stopped the recount because as Scalia said if the recount continues it could "threaten irreperable harm to petitioner"(George Bush). Then his son Eugene got an appiontment in the administration.
The facts are out there and Governor Bush lost. Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris weren't exactly acting in a non-partisan way and either did Ken Blackwell.
12:42 AM, September 05, 2006
Anonymous said...
Liberals are just so, so pathetic.
Sore losers, just crybabies like 2000.
Vote Democrat - or We'll Cry 2006
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7:08 AM, September 05, 2006
Anonymous said...
Jeff, Election investigators have NOT had 2 years to make their case thank to a PARTISAN SOS (who by the way was Co-chair of Bush/Cheney '04-how would republicans feel if the tables were turned and a Dem SOS acted in such a NON PROFESSIONAL way?)
Gore won FL in 2000 but the SCOTUS in a 5/4 decision gave it to Bush after stopping the recount. BTW the protestors who stormed the recount where non other than GOP operatives. Surprise, surprise. Why isn't Bush V Gore being used in Law Schools?
10:28 AM, September 05, 2006
Anonymous said...
More on Ohio's election problems from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/05/opinion/05tue1.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=sloginKen Blackwell is a liar, thief and a traitor.
10:51 AM, September 05, 2006
Anonymous said...
NeoCons are pathetic!
They steal elections at home, prop up puppet regimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti and Saudi Arabia all in the name of Democracy. What a bunch of hypocrites.
No to partisan election officials and no to private partisan companies counting our votes!
10:56 AM, September 05, 2006
Anonymous said...
The U.S. Civil Rights Commision held hearings about the
disenfranchisement of voters. Their draft report, Voting Irregularities
in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election published June 8,
2001, stated:
Black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than non black voters to
have their ballots rejected. Poor counties, particularly those with
large minority populations, were more likely to posses voting systems
with higher spoilage rates than the more affluent counties with
significant white poulations. There is a high correlation between
counties and precincts with a high percentage of spoiled ballots, that
is, ballots cast but not counted.
Nine of ten counties with the highest percentage of African American
voters had spoilage rates above the Florida average.
Of the 10 counties with the highest percentage of white voters, only
two counties had spoilage rates above the Florida average.
Gadsen County, with the highest rate of spoiled ballots, also had the
highest percentage of African American voters.
Where precinct data were available, the data show that 83 of the 100
precincts with the highest numbers of disqualified ballots are black-
majority precincts.
Florida's optical-scan voting machines could be set two ways. They
could throw away ballots that weren't correctly marked or they could
return them to the voters to be corrected.
The machines in counties with large black and poor populations were set
to eat bad ballots. In whiter and wealthier counties were set to
politely return ballots that were improperly marked to be corrected.
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