Do new Ohio recount prosecutions indicate unraveling of 2004 election theft cover-up?

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Looking for more info to post in Time For Change's thread below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3164857&mesg_id=3164857




I found this


by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman

Three criminal prosecutions in Ohio's biggest county have opened with strong indications that the cover-up of the theft of the 2004 presidential election is starting to unravel. Prosecutors say these cases involve "rigging" the recount in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), where tens of thousands of votes were shifted from John Kerry to George W. Bush, or else never counted. Meanwhile, corroborating evidence continues to surface throughout Ohio illuminating the GOP's theft of the presidency. According to the AP, County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter opened the Cuyahoga trial by charging that "the evidence will show that this recount was rigged, maybe not for political reasons, but rigged nonetheless." Baxter said the three election workers "did this so they could spend a day rather than weeks or months" on the recount.

Jacqueline Maiden, the county election board's third-ranking employee, faces six counts of misconduct involving ballot review. Rosie Grier, the board's ballot department manager, and Kathleen Dreamer, an assistant manager, are also charged. All three are on paid administrative leave, and are being supported by the county board of elections

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But the trial in Cleveland represents just a small sampling of what happened during the Ohio recount. At a public hearing sponsored by the Free Press in Toledo in December, 2004, sworn testimony claimed that Diebold technicians were party to picking the "random" precincts to be recounted. At least one of the precincts lacked a memory card for the recount using the optiscan machine

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In Fairfield County, when the recount totals wouldn't match, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell recommended Sam Hogsett, an ES&S employee, to assist with the process. Despite complaints from a Democratic election officer, Hogsettt worked the central tabulator and counter. Hogsett somehow managed to make the recount match, thus avoiding a full manual recount.

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[philb]

2. Have there been investigations in the other counties with irregularities found in the Green recount

www.flcv.com/greenrc.html

and in Dr. Richard Phillips testimony?- see his web page.

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3. Dr. Hayes web page

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/index.1.htm

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4. Has there been investigation of malfeasance of officials/poll workers in manipulating

as well as Republican operatives in manipulating minority voters to vote in the wrong precinct and lose their vote?

and of officials knowingly providing too few machines in big minority and student precincts, and providing
faulty machines in minority precincts?

www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html
Lots of malfeasance and misfeasance reported by the voters and poll workers in Ohio

But even more was reported in Florida in 2004, and even more votes were swung there than in Ohio.
Why has there been no investigation and followup in Florida- which had the most reported irregularities of any state.
www.flcv.com/fl04EAS.html
www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

and why no prosecutions in the large number of states with widespread irregularities and systematic illegal dirty tricks reported by voters and poll workers?
www.flcv.com/summary.html

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5. As an after thought...

If you are unfamilar with the 2004 saga, Before jumping in depth on any Urls ...outside of the original post ... I suggest you take the time to read Time for changes original OP in GD (if you have not done so) before you immerse yourselves in Richard Hayes Phillips (if you are unfamilar with him) or any other URLs... she frames the history well.

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8. fine recommendation, but, Tfc is "he"

(It's a common misconception that Time for change's avatar represents his gender.)

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9. Well now I feel a little silly

But yes it is the avatar

Thanks for letting me know. and may I say OTOH I have come to appreciate your perspective and posts... (just because we wish it to be doesn't make it so.) I have come to think of you fondly as a sometimes necessary dash of salt to round out a complex dessert

...just a little Omphaloskepsis at work.

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11. darn, I was trying for nutmeg... thanks for the kind word n/t

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13. Nutmeg it is.n/t

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6. Recommended.

:thumbsup:

[kster]

7. KR..nt

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10. Thank you Kster. Your K&R means a lot.

...and just so you know I am a paper ballot guy.

I recognize however that a lot of a state Bureaucracies haves pent Millions and Millions on DRE's and Op-scans, and as I have come to understand state government they will look the other way for as long as possible before they admit to making mistakes in outlay on hardware of which would be better off being re-tasked to making change at Burger King.

As long as the ballot is produced " "upstream" of the technology (op-scans) IMO we could make it work provided the audit rate was high enough... a lot higher then 3% and truly random. While I know the cost affixed on higher audit percentage's from what I have read here may be almost exponential... one can't put a price on clean voting.

But like you, I'd rather do away with all technology.

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12. Also, there seems to be a discrepancy in the Fitrakis & Wasserman article.

They say..

In Hocking County, Board of Elections Deputy Director, Sherole Eaton was fired after she submitted an affidavit to U.S. Rep. John Conyers outlining how Hocking BOE officials pre-selected one precinct because it had the "right" number of voters (3%), thus illegally prescreening like Cuyahoga County. Eaton also complained that a Triad technician showed up unannounced on recount day and offered her a "cheat sheet" for the recount. He just happened to have a hard drive for a 12-year-old Dell computer that served as Hocking County's central tabulator. The county's official central tabulator went down mysteriously just prior to the recount. Eaton said the Triad technician installed his hard drive and told the election officials that the recount would match up perfectly if they didn't turn off the computer. Eaton has not been restored to her BOE position, and there has been no full recount in Hocking County.

Butt Pitt's Truth Out article taken from Tfc's compilation (LOL I just referenced a William Pitt article...Hi Will :P )

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

A representative from Triad Systems came into a county board of elections office un-announced. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the up-coming recount. He then headed into the back room where the Triad supplied Tabulator (a card reader and older PC with custom software) is kept. He told them there was a problem and the system had a bad battery and had "lost all of its data". He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it and another "spare" tower type PC also in the room. He may have had spare parts in his coat as one of the BOE people moved it and remarked as to how very heavy it was. He finally re-assembled everything and said it was working but to not turn it off.

My recollection is that the second version is correct and that the computer was 14 years old...