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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:44 PM Original message |
I don't believe the NH Primary was miscounted or stolen. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. thanks |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R from an Obama supporter |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Thanks! (NT) |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. "If there were a hint of impropriety, a hand-recount could confirm or deny that." |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. yea, that one got me too. My keyboard is a mess! |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Explain |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Perhaps it's you that don't understand. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I understand better than any of you |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Apples and oranges. Your specific experience doesn't generalize. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Nor does it account for the reality that an alderman race has little motivation for big fraud. n/t |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Thanks guy. I tried to post the same thing just before the thread was locked... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. If votes were preloaded |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Nope. The code to TEST the cards is on the cards... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The programmers don't know which test count the checker will use |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The test memory cards and the actual memory cards are not the same. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. How do you know they used different cards? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. From what I hear, the company that runs the elections have their... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Where did you hear about technicians running around |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. That's a great document; thanks for posting it! |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Tesha ...... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. ...and manual recounts are just not that easy. They cost $80,000.00 |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. About hand counts |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The tampering is done via the memory cards. There's an award winning HBO... |
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truckin (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Do New Hampshire election officials program the memory cards |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I think that's an interesting question and willtry to find out. |
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truckin (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Thanks nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Good point. |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
50. LHS does the pre-programming in New Hampshire ......... |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I'll say it again |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. You make yourself look goofy when you claim he is anti establisment. |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. If you have a moment read through this short article ..... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. I find it intriguing that those who comment most passionately on this issue |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. Locking |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. now, election transparency is not an accepted topic? |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. You mean the statement that said it should be moved to ERD (I assume it was started somewhere else) |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks to whoever it was that unlocked this! (NT) |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. More about our poll-closing procedures |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Hey Tesha ! :) |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. Another short synopsis ....... here ...... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Thanks for all the great info |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. See, that's the point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
22. With respect, why do we need to rely on belief? |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. that's a good question |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Very dry. And equally to the point. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #22 |
51. Well, if you don't want to believe me, then... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
25. the problem is a lack of transparency in elections |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
27. Ohio recount... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
70. Ohio punch cards moved to wrong precincts counted the same, NOT as intended again. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. It still doesn't explain how the exit polls could be fixed either n/t |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm sorry, but what either you or I believe is irrelevant. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. There was a test against hand counted ballots |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Too cute. |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Time activated code can give an accurant count everytime except when the coder wants.. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Furthermore... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
45. Whew, that's a relief. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
52. Nice, reasonable post. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Yes, of course. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. That's why I would not suggest using this method. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. My point, of course, is that some still won't believe it. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That is true. But that is no reason not to improve current vote counting practices |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
53. "pick some small number of polling places and audit those" |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Okay -- you pay for it. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Done |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Kucinich lost by more than 3% so he's still got about $77,970 to go. (NT) |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Make that $77,920.... |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Heh. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Granny Warriors have already raised $17,000. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The Granny Warriors are working on the Republican side of the ballot. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. $80,000 to help ensure democracy? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
69. Thanks. My guess. You don't have a donate button on an elecion integrity website! |
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