Kerry campaign joins the glib lawsuit in OH!!!

[Wordie]

Cobb asks Bush administration to provide non-partisan support as well for the recount effort! Great news!

From the Cobb website, here: http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

<snip>
Statement From the Green Party Presidential Campaign Concerning John Kerry's Intervention in Ohio Recount Court Case
Kerry-Edwards campaign files papers in Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik

Ohio — Today, attorneys representing the Kerry-Edwards campaign filed papers in Delaware County, Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik and their legal counsel, the National Voting Rights Institute, who are seeking a recount of all votes cast for president in the Ohio 2004 general election.<unsnip>

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Whoa.

First volley. More to come.

The game's afoot now, Watson.

[Im with Rosey]

27. A huge part of the game...

I think the critical part of this issue is the investigation into fraud. I hope that by joining the recount effort,this becomes just a piece of the big picture. I expect justice to be served to those that are responsible.

[NVMojo]

204. I agree, we need to know every fricking way these neocon jerks

rigged our election!!!

[Zan_of_Texas]

256. WaPo has it

Kerry Team Seeks to Join Fight To Get Ohio County to Recount

Wednesday, December 1, 2004; Page A08
WASHINGTON POST
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23344-2004Nov30.html

Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign asked an Ohio judge yesterday to allow it to join a legal fight there over whether election officials in one county may sit out the state's impending recount.

A pair of third-party presidential candidates, who said that reports of problems at the polls on Election Day are not being addressed, are forcing the Buckeye State to recount its entire presidential vote. But David A. Yost, a lawyer for Delaware County, just outside Columbus, won a temporary restraining order last week blocking any recount there. He told the Columbus Dispatch that a second count would be a poor use of county resources. President Bush won the mostly Republican area handily, unofficial results show.

Lawyers for the Kerry campaign asked to join Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik and the National Voting Rights Institute in the fight to force the county to participate in the recount. "If there's going to be a recount in Ohio, we don't want it to exclude Delaware County or any other county that might decide to follow Delaware County's lead," Kerry lawyer Dan Hoffheimer said. "It should be a full, fair and accurate recount."

<SNIP>Cobb's lawyers filed papers yesterday asking a federal court to take over the case, which is scheduled for state court.
-- Brian Faler

WaPo also included this sentence toward the end: Bush won the critical battleground state by approximately 136,000 votes, a victory that also won him a second term.

Unfortunately, that sentence is in error. The SOS of Ohio has not even finished the initial certification of the vote count, much less the requested recount. So, how the heck does WaPo KNOW what the count or margin of victory or even the victor is?

So...........some of the 17,000 lawyers that Cam Kerry mentioned in his letter are now getting up off their barcaloungers.....take off the gloves, boys and girls!

[Patsy Stone]

123. yes....GAME FUCKING ON!

oh my lord, I'm happy...

[berniew1]

149. Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio counties

Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio in several counties

In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland running for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than votes than Kerry in many counties. For example in Butler County, Connally received 5347 more votes than Kerry. The list of the counties where Connally actually outpolled Kerry include Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren.

The reason the Kerry vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get many more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush. ""Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. As of election night, 5,481,804 votes were counted for Bush and Kerry. 4,327,270 votes were counted for Moyer and Connally.

""This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,"" said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

265. Kick this to every one now!

Kick this. This is all we hoped for this is what the world needs tied up in a bow. For the holiday this is what the world needs now. entire world Peace. Kick this if you ever thought you were free. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...2&mesg_id=79652

Kick this every chance you get least you wine up kicking the damn thing for ever. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...2&mesg_id=79652

Kick this. this is the one little bit of information that can save the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...2&mesg_id=79652

I may have bargained a solid argument to avoid getting stuck in this damn contraption.

[blueandwhite]

249. To little to late

This will all have to hapen in the next 5 days

[Carl Brennan]

257. Tombstoned, hee, hee.

[tavalon]

262. Too little command of the English language

and definitely too little understanding of what the actual deadlines are.

[knowbody0]

2. lordie wordie

[henslee]

12. b'jesus, lordie, wordie, snap, holla, shiznat, f'shizzle, bwahhhh!!!

[TexasLawyer]

30. I couldn't have said it better myself! n/t

[Patsy Stone]

ROFLMAO! :)

[Old and In the Way]

3. well, well, well.............

Isn't this an interesting development.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. Yes.

Something that was NEVER gonna happen...


Just happened.

[Carla in Ca]

252. DailyKos had this story today as well

Some are advocating a re vote, not a recount. If machines gave the vote to someone else in error, it still gets counted that way, doesn't it? Isn't it amazing Kerry lost where he should have won in precincts with no paper trail? Those should get to re vote, I know Kerry won Ohio, I just know it.

[Wordie]

9. Isn't it wonderful? I feel like saying, "HAH! Take that you doubters!" n/t

[jasmeel]

4. The link didnt work for me.

[Wordie]

19. Here it is again then...

http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

OR, if it still doesn't work, try going to the Cobb homepage, here: http://www.votecobb.org/
And then navigating to the article from the section on press releases. Its the second press release.

[jasmeel]

31. Thanks!!

[smartvoter]

YES!!!

[CAcyclist]

43. Here's the right link

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

looks like they were updating their page when we were trying to access it.

[ailsagirl]

80. Link is now broken... there must be a LOT of traffic!!

[ahyums]

6. the recount's a done deal then

they can't possibly claim there is no chance of a different outcome with K-E involved.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. HOORAY

[Kralizec]

8. I'm getting a no existing document error....

may be because they are swamped...

[Wordie]

53. Odd...I could get there again just now. Here is entire article:

<snip>
November 30, 2004
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Press Contact
Statement From the Green Party Presidential Campaign Concerning John Kerry's Intervention in Ohio Recount Court Case
Kerry-Edwards campaign files papers in Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik

Ohio — Today, attorneys representing the Kerry-Edwards campaign filed papers in Delaware County, Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik and their legal counsel, the National Voting Rights Institute, who are seeking a recount of all votes cast for president in the Ohio 2004 general election.
"We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well."
— Blair Bobier
Cobb-LaMarche Media Director

On November 23, at the request of the Delaware County Board of Elections, a Delaware County judge issued a temporary restraining order against Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik and the National Voting Rights Institute, seeking to prevent them from initiating a recount of the presidential vote in that county.

The judge issued the order without first consulting the candidates or their attorneys.

"The Cobb-LaMarche Green Party presidential campaign has been leading the effort to seek a recount of the presidential vote in Ohio. We are seeking a recount to protect the integrity of the voting process, to protect the right to vote and to ensure that all votes are counted fairly and accurately.

The Cobb-LaMarche campaign has been joined in this effort by the Libertarian presidential campaign. We believe that all presidential candidates should support the recount in Ohio to remove any cloud of suspicion cast on the election results. We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well," said Blair Bobier, Media Director for the Cobb-LaMarche Green Party presidential campaign.

The Cobb-LaMarche campaign is currently seeking recounts of the presidential vote in New Mexico and Nevada, in addition to Ohio. For more information, see the campaign website, http://www.votecobb.org. Information about the Green Party can be found at http://www.gp.org.

CONTACT: For Election Night interviews with David Cobb, contact Media Director Blair Bobier at [e-mail], 541-929-5755 or 414-364-1596 (Oregon). To schedule an Election Night interview with Pat LaMarche, contact Derek Mitchell at 207-712-8990
<unsnip>

[Pooka Fey]

208. Who wants to make a friendly wager on * supporting the recount? Odds are ?

[The Straight Story]

10. Terror alert to be raised, attack imminent.

Be careful out there folks, something wicked this way comes...

[Patsy Stone]

128. Bright RED!!!

Flashing! But, without Tom Ridge...Who's going to tell me to be afraid and when?

[The Straight Story]

220. Surprsied they have not made a flashing pink triangle

the new alert level :)

[Patsy Stone]

224. Yellow Star over here please... :) n/t

[TruthIsAll]

11. ABOUT CHENEY TIME! N/F/T

.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

15. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall...

When that decision was made. You can bet there was a serious cost/benefit analysis that took place.

[New Earth]

20. loll

[bleever]

131. I don't know what you drink, but I feel like buying you one.

[RaulVB]

13. Yes!!!

What do you know...JFK is reading the messages at DU!

[SueZhope]

14. Hallelujah

Hallelujah...Hallelujah
let the games begin!!!

[Hamoth]

32. No linky

And I can't find any reference to this on their news page, or home page. Are we sure this is legit? Or was this retracted, like the Ohio Democratic Party's overzealous statement?

[RaulVB]

39. Clink on the link posted on original message

Is working just fine

[Hamoth]

48. I get a 404

Official gren party 404 page. ;)

[RaulVB]

50. well, I don't...

And I have clicked on it 50 times already...

[Hamoth]

57. Weird.

I wonder if it's some kind of IP blocking? Nah, I can get the rest of their site...Here's hte URL I get from my browser...plase check if the link is posting right...

http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[RaulVB]

65. Yes...

The link you posted is working.

[BlueDog2u]

75. It didn't work for me.

hmm...seems like some kind of blocking is in fact deployed. Must be the "Homeland" security people....?:dem:

[Hamoth]

82. Ok. THIS works

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[BlueDog2u]

187. Thanks, maybe it wasn't homeland security...

:party:

[BlueStateBlue]

111. I saw it earlier on Dailykos

and posted it to the Kerry, report for duty thread

[Farmgirl]

62. Hamoth...

try this link.....

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[mikeylove]

16. fanfreakingtastic.

I'm patiently staying positive. :thumbsup:

[seito]

17. Woooo Hooooo!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

[vanboggie]

18. Hallelujah!

Is this for real or have I been staring at DU looking for hope so long that I am seeing a mirage?

[Old and In the Way]

35. It just rained in the desert........

:-)

[Patsy Stone]

132. And hell has frozen over...

It's a bona fide miracle! Hallelujah!

[LSparkle]

21. ABOUT F***ING TIME!

Yahoo! Now THAT's something to keep * awake at night for the next few weeks ... His "political capital" is about to turn into a pumpkin.

[Avalux]

22. Yea!!!

Great news - good move to ask Bushco to support the effort too (we know they won't). I still have hope...

[tbuddha]

23. See?

Kerry was in Nam. He knows not to shoot till you see the whites of their eyes.

[JBear]

29. ATWMR

And there was much rejoicing

*yeah!*

:bounce:

[Lizzie Borden]

120. My thoughts too.

I think he may have just turned the boat towrd the shore!

[Left Brain]

254. Love that analogy Lizzie B!

That's JK's MO right there.

[eleny]

24. Nice!

[Straight Shooter]

25. Praise God and pass the beer and pretzels

The Election Olympics are on!

Holy smokin' hallelujah.

[ailsagirl]

26. Shoot-- can't get to that website

Is the link still good? It says, "The item you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served."

[proudtobeadem]

28. OMG! I'm so happy I don't know what to say!!!!!!!

[WebeBlue]

33. see it posted also at Daily Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/

and it's posted also at Common Ground/Common Sense forum (which is the forum grafted from what used to be the official Kerry/Edwards discussion forum)
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=7873&hl=

[CAcyclist]

34. Why isn't this anywhere on that website?

Please provide the correct link. - nevermind, found the link- see my other post

[catnhatnh]

36. Yes Yes Yes Yes....

It is indeed about time....I could take a loss but NEVER a "no contest" Praise to all the small Gods and Goddesses-(and DUer's Too)

[Pepper32]

37. The confirmation I have been looking for.... YESSS

Keep it coming Mr. Kerry, my belief has always been that you stepped out of the light to gather evidence and fight this, not to protect your image (it's the only thing that makes sense)

Perhaps my belief is coming true. :)

[intelle]

38. Wonderful news but

When I click on the link on from their main web page, I get a "Document not found".

:shrug:

[Hamoth]

88. The right one

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[maryallen]

40. 'Atta boy, John ...

Now come out swinging ...

It's now or never.

[Live Free Or Diebold]

41. Sweet.

This is amazing news.

Let's recount Ohio!

[AntiFascist]

281. Hey!!

Are there bumper stickers available with your nick? "Live Free or DieBold" We should all get them and put them on display!!!!

[Farmgirl]

42. Oh Man, Oh Rats.....

When I try to access this page, http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php, I get an error message -- can you check the link again, PLEASE???

I did find this link, which lays out the Green Party filing a federal lawsuit today for a full Ohio recount.

:kick:

[ReneB]

45. http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[RaulVB]

47. Click on the link posted on original message!

Is working just fine...

[Old and In the Way]

69. It's real....read it myself.

[Karenca]

44. KICK :))

NT

[senseandsensibility]

46. Is this being covered on the whore media?

I don't watch it anymore, but if they were waiting for the candidate to join in, as some have claimed, they don't have any excuses left.

[Left Brain]

72. Well if it is

I hope they also report the part about the chimp being asked to participate. It puts the ball squarely in his court. If Rove tries to pass the recount off with the usual bushspin, he could very well end up as the one with egg on his face for a change.

One could only hope.

[leftchick]

90. I just did a google seach foer any news item....

have not found one yet! :(

[smartvoter]

49. Was it pulled -- link failed, can't find it on site.

[seito]

52. Maybe the problem is

too many people trying to open up the same page and overloading the server???

[Wordie]

71. Here it is again. I can get there whenever I have tried. I don't get why

some people can't.
http://www.votecobb.org/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

You might try to get first to the cobb homepage: http://www.votecobb.org

I don't know, but going to the homepage first may be easier. The press release is the first one in the list on the homepage, instead of the second, as I had earlier said. My mistake, my apologies.

[RaulVB]

59. WTF???

Sorry people but I don't have ANY PROBLEM USING THAT LINK...

[Tace]

91. This Is What Bush Meant When He Referred To "Internets"

I get the feeling there are separate systems. Different persons are on different internets.

[proudtobeadem]

108. LOL !!

[Jo March]

51. I know this sounds stupid but I'm about to cry

It's seemed like it's been so long coming. I can't believe it. I have been fearing that K/E had somehow given up. I never believed that Kerry didn't care or didn't want to win. I was just scared that he gave up.

This is great but I am welling up as I type. It's just so great.

[freeplessinseattle]

64. I know what you mean. I didn't realize how much I was keeping in and

hope and faith being restored has brought me back to life. I'm bawling like I did during his "concession" speech, but for an entirely different reason.

[Jo March]

138. I'm like that too! I've kept it all in except for a few days after

the fraudlection. I have tried to keep my head down and kick, write, post, etc. so I wouldn't dissolve into a puddle.

I need to let it out soon or more news like this will send me running up and down the streets!!

[Wordie]

85. Oh..me too! I was fighting it, but was getting discouraged. And it has

been difficult to read those posts from people who seem to think that Kerry let everyone down, or kept money he shouldn't have. So now we know that he has been keeping his eye on developments. He hasn't let us down. I'm SOooooo happy to know this!

[Jo March]

130. I know - it's been so hard to believe and listen to the negative

comments. We sure do eat our own, don't we?

[Patsy Stone]

153. I've always cautioned against that...

We "Children of Israel" could have gotten ourselves in a lot of trouble worshipping idols and graven images and burning people in effigy while Moses was up on that mountain. At least it was only 28 days, 40 days would have been too much time to wait... :)

[Jo March]

193. LOL! You have a great point there, Patsy

We would have trashed the place royally. 28 days - has it only been 28 days?!? Seems so much longer.

[buddysmellgood]

170. Okay everybody... group hug.

[Jo March]

195. Well, you DO smell good

Okay, I'm in

:hug:

[proudtobeadem]

92. You're not the only one welling up. I was laughing and crying at the same!

[Jo March]

133. My hubby probably hasn't noticed yet but I'm so emotional

right now.

I've supported Kerry from the primaries and I only wanted him to fight and do his best. If he just gave up, it would have been so disappointed because I supported him because I think of him as a fighter.

Go, John! We are behind you! We've got your back!

[Patsy Stone]

139. I'm shaking like a leaf

My heart is racing and my eyes are full of tears. I'm with you...

[Jo March]

196. Hooray for us emotional types!

I'm just going to laugh now because I'm pretty darn happy!!!

[loritooker]

54. BFEE, YOU'VE BEEN SERVED!

[Patsy Stone]

141. I've always wondered

what that acronym meant. Please tell me.

[LiberalAndProud]

148. Bush Family Evil Empire

[Patsy Stone]

157. Grassy Ass for the clarification... n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

160. dayna da

[loritooker]

165. Now could someone please tell me what "eom" means ?

[DemonFighterLives]

202. End Of Message

no text:-)

[SharonRB]

276. Thanks...

I've been wondering, too, but was too embarrassed to ask, since it seemed like everyone else knew what it stood for.

[bleever]

55. OMFG. The game is afoot. And someb*dy might get the boot.

:7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :toast: :toast: :7 :7 :7 :7 :7

[txindy]

236. Monkey sleepy now, so tired.

Telling them Canadaites how wrong they are is hard work!

:evilgrin:

Yes, the game is afoot!

[bleever]

271. And besides, it's such a long way from the U.S. to Canada

Remember when foreign-policy super-genius Condi Rice called Mexico our closest neighbor and biggest trading partner?

I hope she at least prepped him for this trip by letting him know that Canadian bacon is round, so it wouldn't blow one of his tiny gaskets by accident.

Monkey longing for frosty trees of Crawford now. Soon, monkey, soon.

:evilgrin:

[chimpymustgo]

56. Yahoo!!!!! Game on.

Here we go.

[jsamuel]

58. Look at this: This is great!

November 30, 2004: Kerry-Edwards campaign files papers in Ohio to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik. "We believe that all presidential candidates should support the recount in Ohio to remove any cloud of suspicion cast on the election results. We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well," said Cobb Media Director Blair Bobier.

[loritooker]

74. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!

[DURHAM D]

60. Can't get it to work. n/t

[proudtobeadem]

63. Here is the link

http://72.3.133.32/

[DURHAM D]

67. thank you, thank you. n/t

[intelle]

104. Thanks!

This link worked for me. My faith in Kerry (and humanity, for that matter) has been restored!!

:bounce:

[CAcyclist]

61. Here is the correct link

http://72.3.133.32/

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

Thought I was going crazy - thanks, Wordie!

[ClassWarrior]

66. Try this link...

http://72.3.133.32/

NGU.

[merh]

156. Hey ClassicWarrior - don't you just love the fact that

you have been signing your posts with NEVER GIVE UP since Nov3?

NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So glad you were right!

[ClassWarrior]

241. Thanx merh. Never means never.

Never ever.

NGU.

[Diane R]

68. Thank you, Senators!!!

Thank you John Kerry, and thank you John Edwards!! I have pleaded with the Goddesses to make this happen!

[Patsy Stone]

70. I may kiss the first person I see!!!!

God bless America!


JESSE F'N ROCKS!!!

[senseandsensibility]

76. Amen to that!

You rock, Jesse!:yourock:

[pick_a_dilly]

99. GREEN used to mean . . .

G et
R epublicans
E lected
E very
N ovember

but now maybe ....

G etting
R epublicans
E nragged
E enrgy
N ationwide . . .

or something!!!!

THANK THE GODs FOR we GREENs! and you libers too!

[jamboi]

136. Thanks! (from one Green). The Green's deserve a LOT of credit

as do the Libertarians. This was a patriotic thing to do, and the Republicans and Dems should join in as Green Presidential candidate Cobb challenged them to to make it a truly non-partisan (or multi-partisan) effort. Its for the good of the country and our democracy.

[Old and In the Way]

144. The fact that it is a 3rd party asking for multi-lateral support to do the

recount puts Republicans in an awkward position. I'll be interested in the response from Rove and the RNC....

[eowyn_of_rohan]

234. Yes, this seems like a brilliant move

Hope we get response from them other than that the terror alert is suddenly sky high

[renate]

184. I love what you said

about how this is a patriotic thing to do.
It's really beautiful, actually.
I feel so AMERICAN right now.:grouphug:

[Patsy Stone]

122. WE NEED MORE CAPITAL LETTERS AND !!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I just couldn't resist!

:) It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas....

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. No facts makes sense now... he had to know this

was comming hence why he told JJ to just get over it, for the well being of the nation... like Nixon did...

[bleever]

97. Damn! We're getting a Nixon dividend here! After all these years.

But JK may be yet a little swifter and smarter than RN.

[faithfull]

77. Links are working for me

music to my beautiful busted eardrum :(

:hi:

:donut:

[missouri dem 2]

78. Great news.

I emailed the Ohio Democratic Party last week and offered to help with the recount and have heard nothing back yet. Perhaps we should sign up with the Greens to help. They will need lots of people to assist with the recount.

[Wordie]

116. Here is a link to Green party volunteer info. They need people in OH!

http://www.votecobb.org/participate/

They say that they also need people to help sponsor the people who volunteer while they are in OH.

[stlsaxman]

79. Thank you Kerry/Edwards!

Now do a Press Release to the major networks telling us aaaaaalllll about it!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Ignis]

81. Thanks much for posting this.

I was beginning to get a little nervous about the lack of momentum on the (re)count, and you just made my day. :)

[Quakerfriend]

87. Yes, how about a little press release

And,btw everybody should go check out the pics of our beloved neighbors protesting Shrub up in Canada....on latest breaking news thread. The two bits of news together are enough to make your spirits sore!

[Tace]

83. Ya Know, If Kerry Gets In, It Will Be Better This Way Than Election Night

We will have blown the lid off of the Democracy Farce of the past two hundred years, AND we'll have Bushco nailed up to their eyeballs in rancid corruption and genocidal madness.

Fingers crossed, not holding breath.

[merh]

101. My fingers crossed too, and I am hoping and praying

that they take down the media whores with the BFEE. Wouldn't it be sweet if Faux was charged with accessory to the fraud for declaring the weed the winner of Ohio and the election before the votes were counted.

That would be too sweet!

:thumbsup: Go get them John and John! :grouphug: :loveya:

[SharonRB]

278. I think you're right

This would be an even more satisfying victory than if we had won outright on election night. However, and I don't want to put a damper on all of this joy that's flying around here, let's not get too excited too fast. Time is running out and we have to hope the lid blows really soon. This latest development, although important, is a small step in a very long and difficult process. Let's keep our fingers crossed and not give up, but let's not let our excitement with each small event get our hopes up so much that we're really let down if this doesn't happen in the end. Sorry, folks, just trying to be somewhat realistic.

In the meantime, rock on, John/John...let's get this show on the road!

[republikkkon]

84. YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!

will the media actually pick this story up now???

[rockedthevoteinMA]

210. Washington Post 20 minutes ago!!

"Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign asked an Ohio judge yesterday to allow it to join a legal fight there over whether election officials in one county may sit out the state's impending recount.
Lawyers for the Kerry campaign asked to join Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik and the National Voting Rights Institute in the fight to force the county to participate in the recount. "If there's going to be a recount in Ohio, we don't want it to exclude Delaware County or any other county that might decide to follow Delaware County's lead," Kerry lawyer Dan Hoffheimer said. "It should be a full, fair and accurate recount."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23344-2004Nov30.html

[Patsy Stone]

227. So, so hot...

I'm just gonna die...

[snacker]

86. YIPEEEEE!!!!

[greenmutha]

89. Wa Hoooooo!!!

Thanks for lifting me out of my depression, wordie!

(Trying to keep hope alive the last few days after all that has come to light has been a real Bitch!)

:bounce: I say we flood MSM with this press release! :bounce:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

93. And you know something?

He did it. He turned the boat around. He did it.

And some doubted.

[leftchick]

95. where is my crow?

I will eat it gladly! :spank:

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. Hot serving coming up

sugar with it, or do you want it naturally sweet?

By the way don't feel bad, or good

This is just the begining and this is NOT over by a long stretch and worst case it may still not work.

The realist (andn historically trained) in me comming up

[Wordie]

134. You are right...this doesn't mean the battle is won. Not at all. BUT

it does mean that those who were questioning his very will to fight were wrong, so no matter the outcome, I for one feel much better. AND it's a good thing he didn't turn that leftover money to the DNC, or any other person/organization, because now he has it to use for the recount.

He hasn't let us down!!! That's the most important thing.

[Patsy Stone]

147. Me...never.

I always knew he'd come get me.

[frank frankly]

226. oh I have doubted. and despaired. and lost all hope.

but i worked my ass off for JK. i don't apologize for losing faith...

but believe me, i will be the first to say i was wrong to doubt and the first to give further, deeper respect to any DUer who believed this may actually turn around.

please let this happen. please.

[mzmolly]

94. I'm not in the least bit surprised. Many of us knew that JK would

come into this effort when the time was right.

:hi:

Still good news, but I'm not fazed. ;)

[seito]

96. Too True!!!!!!!! n/t

[Old and In the Way]

117. I was beginning to really wonder today, mzmolly.

I am ashamed that I started to question his will to fight.

Or maybe my fax today motivated him.

:-)

[mzmolly]

159. Hell, don't be ashamed. It just might have been that fax!

;)

[ClassWarrior]

243. ~hugs~ Molly...

I feel the same way.

NGU.

[bleever]

250. NGU CW. I remembered yours whenever I had a doubt. n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

98. In further news freezing weather in Crawford, Texas.

Yes, that's correct, hell just froze over!!

I am so thrilled by this turn of events! :)

WTG, true blue Americans! :toast:

[dzika]

102. KO and Jackson didn't mention this on Countdown?

Is he saving this news until they can get someone to interview? What gives?

[New Earth]

105. the news didn't come out in time for the show, and the show is not live

the show is recorded before it airs.

[txindy]

238. LOL! That was my thought, too, with the first freeze of the year hitting

Today of all days, too. There is definitely a cosmic sense of humor at work here. The symbolism is just too perfect.

[Eloriel]

100. Okay, I owe the Kerry people here a small apology for my

Kerry bashing... but "SMALL" because --

Please note that they aren't joining the recount itself. This is joining in a suit to overturn the injunction this judge granted against the recount. It doesn't sound like much more to me than filing an amicus brief. We'll see if they do more (unlikely, IMO).

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. It is STILL UP TO US

very much so up to us... now we need to take to the streets,

I think they have done all they can from their side, and now we need to do OUR PART.

[merh]

115. As I understand it, their joining in gives standing to the

contest! If the recount could alter the election results for the candidate (which we know it can for K/E) then the court is not likely to dismiss as was done in Nevada.

This is not trivial. imho

[SueZhope]

124. just the beginning

they had to start somewhere

[New Earth]

154. i understand what you are saying

i'm not sure if many people realize that they are not (at this time) officially JOINING the full request of a recount for the state, but they are defending the right to have a recount in one county. At the same time, it shows they do give a damn and are paying attention to the detail of what's going on.

This small action speaks loudly, and it's only a matter of time before we see if they'll go further. It's a first step.

[mzmolly]

166. I've always felt that they'd rather let the democratic process unfold

uninterupted, but that they would be there for "we the people" as needed. I expect they will continue to monitor/support the efforts without overshadowing the people who deserve much credit for the good fight.

[saracat]

235. I was thinking the same thing.

I am crying as I read what others have written, but I don't dare believe that this is the beginning of a real fight. I can't be disappointed again.I so much want Kerry to do battle for us. I have always felt that he is a good man and won't walk away. I will not celebrate yet though. There has been no announcement of anything by Kerry. All they are doing ,it seems to me, and I am a neophyte who used to work in her parents law office, is defending the GLIBS. And they are only defending the GLIBS in one county. It is a step , however.And it does indicate that they are interested in a recount of the entire state. What is not clear is if they would have intervened if it were not necessary. I think this is comparatively low key way to support counting all the votes. And that may be all it is. But boy, do I hope it is more!It is still a good thing.And he did come to the defense of the GLIBS. He is rescuing them as he did his crew mates. I hope he feels the same about us.

[faithnotgreed]

245. absolutely faye but i still want to say - ROCK ON!! water for the thirsty

this news is.... im smiling and tearing up. i know its only a start and im not counting on a specific outcome because the evil reaches are so great, but i am thankful as all get out that (we are seeing) jk rising up in this battle.

jk wouldnt even get to the point of joining the call for a recount if he didnt feel there was something big there. he could do like many have suggested he do, or has already done, and just kept working on other things but still "abandoning" this election as over and done. but hes not. and hes risking a whole lot by giving his name to this cause. its the right cause of course but i mean the way the media will portray it, jk knows it will stir things up.

oh i hope he fights so hard and so true that we ALL come together. i know im speaking out of joy and hope but truly it could be the beginning of so many things.
this could really bring together the majority of people in our country who dont like what bush is peddling. and it is the majority though to various degrees of course.

wow

[proudtobeadem]

103. Thank You J Kerry, J Edwards and J Jackson for hearing us.

May God Bless you all and protect and guide you as you embark on this quest to save democracy. You will go down in history as real leaders.

[Twist_U_Up]

106. HOPE IS ON THE WAY

[Quakerfriend]

119. We need to get out in the streets

peeples, and show JK just how much this means to us! Let's roll!

[sickinohio]

158. The streets are expecting us on Saturday in Columbus Ohio

at 1:00

[YellowDoginthehouse]

240. OH, how I wish I could go! n/t

n/t

[Catamount]

109. In the words of Howard Dean...

Yeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh!

[Peter Frank]

110. The word is getting out!

[crispini]

112. YEAH.

Now THAT's more like it.

[sickinohio]

118. WOW - I've been just lurking and waiting and hoping!!!

I'm no longer sickinohio!!!! I'll definately be joining the protest on Saturday in Columbus!!!! Go Kerry Edwards !!! I'm not a compute whiz so I can't add the smilies and stuff !!!

[senseandsensibility]

201. Just click on the smiles look up table when you post!!

There's all kinds of choices. Believe me, if I can do it, anyone can!:toast: And welcome to DU!

[vanboggie]

126. Kerry got your fax!

Those were powerful words!

[crispini]

145. LOL... I did think that, and then I thought, that it was very

self-centered of me to think that. But it was a fun thought. :D

[vanboggie]

152. Well take a bow

You put what we are all thinking into some awesome words.
:yourock:

[Patsy Stone]

167. I was sure it was my e-mails that did it... :) n/t

[merh]

181. Your fax inspired me and I wrote one too . . .

and sent it to all 4 of his offices. It was 2 pages in length and it included the photo of weed with his fly unzipped with this statement "Please don’t tell me we have to face another four (4) years with a man who cannot keep his fly zipped." I attached this image to it.

<>

Thank you for the inspiration! :thumbsup:

[jsamuel]

114. EMAIL OLBERMANN AND THANK HIM/TELL HIM ABOUT THIS

[e-mail]

[angrydemocrat]

151. Well All The Faithful Kerry Supporters Can Say

WE TOLD YOU SO LOL! You just wouldn't listen. Those of us that really know him and have been fighting off all the negative attacks, name calling, and nasty remarks have been telling everyone that Kerry was a fighter he has never been a quitter. We told you he would come out when the time is right. I will still say this is just the beginning folks so we need to get a beer, kick back, put your feet up, and enjoy the show. It might be a long one but it will be a good one especially with Kerry being the star of the show. And trust me he will be before all this is over. :toast:

[seito]

189. To All the Faithful Kerry Supporters

Thank you!!!!!

:yourock:

[txindy]

223. Without a doubt,

[delphine]

121. Guys, is this just a

friend of the court type thing or are they joining the lawsuit?

It seems like they have just filed papers in support of Cobb but not necessarily becoming part of it.

I'd like to see the papers.

Man I don't want to get all excited over this and have it be less than it seems.

But just joining in is a HUGE signal that they are taking this seriously.

Remember, though, that this is just about the restraining order keeping the glibs from recounting in this one county.

It's not about the rush recount or anything else.

[sickinohio]

127. I think there's more to it than just support

I think they have been "working behind the scene" all along. I can hardly contain myself!!

[Old and In the Way]

137. Weren't the results just certified today?

I don't think K/E would be getting involved just to go through the motions. I sense they've undercovered enough compelling evidence to stay in the game.

I think it's a very interesting move to ask for a bi-partisan agreement to move forward by including a call out to Bush-Cheney. Remember, this isn't K/E asking for the bi-partisan show of support. Sort of pre-empts and diffuses the potential anti-Democratic Republican counter message that they most certainly will be cranking out soon.

[Wordie]

177. You know, it took me about 10 minutes to decide to post this. I thought

maybe it would be better not to, because I've thought that there must be a reason Kerry didn't come out sooner. I kept checking back here at DU to see if anyone had posted it yet, and then going back to the Cobb site to make sure I was reading what I thought I was reading. I finally decided, that since it was a press release, it was going to come out whether I posted it or someone else did.

I agree that its a very good idea to invite non-partisan participation from the Bush administration (not that there will be any). From the time right after the election, it has seemed to me that the number of people who question the results ALONE is reason enough for an investigation/recount. Although the polls that track such things have differed from 20% to 29% to as high as 39%, even the lowest number is WAY to high in an advanced democracy such as ours, imho. So, no matter WHAT the outcome, this is very good.

[faithnotgreed]

246. come together... youre exactly right. no way jk would get publicly

involved if there wasnt something there worth fighting for.... democracy is always worth fighting for but hes been around so long and knows enough about how it all works, so im going to trust that hes waited and planned to do it right. and take it one step at a time until his foot is... i think i better stop there!


we cant expect a certain outcome after all weve been through, but its good to see that hes out there now, taking the crucial first public step. i rallied for him so hard that i just couldnt think about it or look at any photos or read any of his words since 11/2. it was just too much.

wow

[Garbo 2004]

146. It's not clear to me either if it's a friend of the court brief or not.

It's a boost, certainly since it's the first report of the Kerry campaign's active engagement. I'd like to see the document too. One way or the other, looks like the Kerry campaign is finally adding some legal heft to the Greens/Libs. The restraining order is outrageous and I can't see how it's legally defensible.

How far Kerry official legal participation will go....we'll see. But at least it's good to see some action since the "GLibs" have been leading the effort so far only with support and funding from individuals, much to their credit.

[Patsy Stone]

180. From law.com - "intervene"

intervene
v. to obtain the court's permission to enter into a lawsuit which has already started between other parties and to file a complaint stating the basis for a claim in the existing lawsuit. Such intervention will be allowed only if the party wanting to enter into the case has some right or interest in the suit and will not unduly prejudice the ability of the original parties to the lawsuit to conduct their case. Example: Little Buttercup Butter Co. has been sued by Market Bag Grocers for selling below standard butter. Better Buy Market has also been buying Buttercup's butter and wishes to intervene (join in the lawsuit) to avoid either a loss by Market Bag which would affect Better Buy's possible claim, and also to avoid two separate suits. Or another butter company might want to join the suit on Buttercup's side in order to put up a united front with Buttercup against the markets.
See also: intervention joinder multiplicity of suits

[Terre]

218. Thanks for looking that up

since I had no clear idea of what that word actually meant. Now it all makes perfect sense.

Just wish I could find this same news at Kerry's, or the DNC, or Ohio's DNC site, etc. Certainly would make it seem more "real" if you know what I mean.

My ferverent prayers that this toe-in-the-door, ends up with Kerry's body walking through it.

Gonna hold onto my vision of seeing him as he takes the Oath of Office.

[Patsy Stone]

229. In Wash Post See link above... :) eom

[ahyums]

125. hang on have I just worked this out correctly

this should mean they can get the "hurry up" motion re argued as well because that was denied due to the fact that the result had no chance of changing, the more I'm thinking about this the better the news is, this means that if there was foul play it should be found out, this gives us a real genuine chance, we were 2 outs down in the bottom of the ninth, now we've just gone into extra innings!

[Garbo 2004]

155. That's a separate case but if the Kerry campaign throws in with that

it could have an impact. But word is the Ohio SOS is going to certify the vote this week. So time was lost.

[merh]

175. You can't demand a recount until the votes are certified.

Precious time was used for investigation of so many things!

[Garbo 2004]

216. Which is why the GLibs were asking a court to intervene and allow the

recount to begin before SOS certification. What was holding up certification was the counting of the provisional votes which were handled separately. The GLibs were taking a shot. Courts have been known to do interesting things, regardless of law, on occasion. ;)

[loritooker]

192. And Kerry's a pinch hitter!!

[jmknapp]

215. Kerry is Bush's daddy n/t

[merh]

129. Thank you Wordie for this lovely thread

and a belated Welcome to DU! :hi:

Hope is on the way! :bounce:

[sickinohio]

135. YEEEAAAHHH!!!

HELP IS ON THE WAY !!!!!

[Wordie]

Oh, jeez...crying again. Thanks for the welcome! :) n/t

[merh]

171. Tears of pride & joy I hope!

You are entitled to them - we all are!

Hope is on the way and you made so many folks night tonite by sharing this lovely message!

:yourock:

Let the games begin - and may our man, the better man, WIN!!! :-)

[Wordie]

194. It is the Greens and the Libertarians who deserve the thanks, and

Kerry, of course, and his attorneys, etc., not me. I'm going to send off a donation to the effort, as I really can't volunteer.

But I really appreciate the kind words. What wonderful news, huh? :)

[loudsue]

140. They need DETECTIVES watching the machines; LOCK 'EM DOWN!!

Until they get the guts out of those machines, they're not going to be able to show the total picture!! We need some forensic computer folks HOPPIN' on those machines!!!

AND watching the trash bins!! And confiscating the shredders!!!

COME ON GUYS!!! DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!!!

edited for spelling.... :) I'm too excited to type!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Lizzie Borden]

142. I think JK will wait

for the perfect time to announce this. He's savy. He knows what he's doing.:D

[berniew1]

143. Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio counties

Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio in several counties

In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland running for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than votes than Kerry in many counties. For example in Butler County, Connally received 5347 more votes than Kerry. The list of the counties where Connally actually outpolled Kerry include Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren.

The reason the Kerry vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get many more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush. ""Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. As of election night, 5,481,804 votes were counted for Bush and Kerry. 4,327,270 votes were counted for Moyer and Connally.

""This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,"" said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

[nodehopper]

251. link please?

[LittleClarkie]

150. Okay, I'm at work, but I think I'm gonna cry anyway

Hope they don't think I've finally snapped.

Holy Guacamole.

[angrydemocrat]

161. Makes You Happy LittleClarkie Especially......

....After all the fighting with the naysayers. I know how you feel I can't wait till it really gets good so we can rub there noses in it LOL.

[Quakerfriend]

163. Me cry too

Keep the faith everyone! He must think it's possible or he wouldn't have jumped back in. Cheers!:D

[Deb]

173. I think many of us are in tears

It's been a long wait for this news. I'm glad Elizabeth told us to be patient, but it's been very hard.

[Truthbeknown]

162. Great News!!!!!

Now let's keep it going.Keep on fighting,digging and kicking.It ain't over til the fat Rove cries.

[Quakerfriend]

164. Haaaaaaaaaa....LOL .......fat Rove sings n/t

[angrydemocrat]

176. Sitting Here Imagining About 100,000 people or more

standing in front of the White House everyday until Bush get's the hell out protesting. Do it like we did at the Kerry rallies.......


HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING ASS HAS GOT TO GO!
HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING ASS HAS GOT TO GO!
HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING ASS HAS GOT TO GO!


KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!


OH well the rush is over Kerry on people.

[Democrat Dragon]

225. I hope Kerry makes a speech on this

Perhaps if he did that, the MSM would give at least 1 minute of attention and Jay Leno would comment on it.

I never stopped believing in Kerry. During the first week after the "election" I was considering that people should drag Kerry out into the limelight and protest in front of wherever he is. But later on I figured that would have some serous consequences and letting the MSM in on this would aggravate the the monster known as the Wrong-wing spin machine. I knew Kerry wouldn't let us down. :yourock:

[loritooker]

168. My pizza's gonna taste good tonight!!

[Acryliccalico]

199. In the streets

:bounce: I wlii try to be there :bounce: looking for ride from Rockford Illinois :bounce: This is what we have to do, be a Democracy :hi:

[Smirking_Chimp]

169. Awesome nt

[rodeodance]

172. Cobb-M asked all presidental candidates to join--looks like K/E did

but Bush/chenney campaign has not done so.


"The Cobb-LaMarche campaign has been joined in this effort by the Libertarian presidential campaign. We believe that all presidential candidates should support the recount in Ohio to remove any cloud of suspicion cast on the election results. We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well," said Blair Bobier, Media Director for the Cobb-LaMarche Green Party presidential campaign."

[Patsy Stone]

174. From law.com - "intervene"

intervene
v. to obtain the court's permission to enter into a lawsuit which has already started between other parties and to file a complaint stating the basis for a claim in the existing lawsuit. Such intervention will be allowed only if the party wanting to enter into the case has some right or interest in the suit and will not unduly prejudice the ability of the original parties to the lawsuit to conduct their case. Example: Little Buttercup Butter Co. has been sued by Market Bag Grocers for selling below standard butter. Better Buy Market has also been buying Buttercup's butter and wishes to intervene (join in the lawsuit) to avoid either a loss by Market Bag which would affect Better Buy's possible claim, and also to avoid two separate suits. Or another butter company might want to join the suit on Buttercup's side in order to put up a united front with Buttercup against the markets.
See also: intervention joinder multiplicity of suits

[DemonFighterLives]

200. So, The Battle has been joined

I admit to having doubt creep in about Big John, but if he is going after B*shco, I'll back him all the way.
Nice to ask B*shies to join, but whenever they are near our votes, our votes are in danger. They can keep their operatives at home as far as I am concerned.

[Patsy Stone]

232. As if...

that would ever happen in our lifetimes. Nice dream though. A day without Rove is like sunshine...

[New Earth]

178. hey where's malatesta?

:eyes:

[angrydemocrat]

179. Faye

Did you change your picture or is this a different Faye?

[New Earth]

185. it's me :)

i just changed my picture. i wanted to use my traditional Eye of Horus that i use everwhere else, and just never figured out how to upload my own avatar till tonite :o

[angrydemocrat]

247. Well I Changed Mine To LOL

John F. Kerry:loveya:

[Hailtothechimp]

182. The Red Sox pulled it out. So can K/E. nt.

[trillian]

183. About time!!!

Now maybe the MSM will cover it. We can only hope.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

213. yeah and the redskins game too! :) n/t

[Cadence]

255. yeah! YEAH! n/t

[Sparkle]

186. Finally getting some hope up in here!

[ailsagirl]

188. THIS LINK WORKS

The other one probably got overloaded??

http://72.3.133.32/press/2004/nov/pr2004-11-30b.php

[Patsy Stone]

190. I still think the Redskins were RIGHT!

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old D.C.!

[New Earth]

191. so do i!!!

it seems to be playing out just like the game :)

[KenCarson]

203. what do you mean? you lost me

...

[New Earth]

209. did you hear of the Redskins game 'prophecy'????

there's a pattern for about 50 years (or more now, i think) that the Redskins last home game before a presidential election determines who is going to win the election. it's been right every single time since they've been the Redskins.

The story is - if the Redskins win, the incumbent stays in power. If they lose, then the challenger will win.

This year, they LOST. Which would mean Kerry wins the Presidency. HOWEVER - during the game, there was a point where the Redskins scored and would have won the game - until it was called foul and they took back the points.........and the Packers ended up scoring, and winning the game in the end.

:)

[suziedemocrat]

219. That is a definite Omen!!

That makes me so happy. I fell asleep sometime after midnight late Nov 2nd with what I thought was a sure Kerry win. I woke up around 3 a.m. on November 3rd listening to Chris Matthews saying "What did Kerry do wrong" - and "Is there any Hope for the Democrats." I feel like it has been a very bad nightmare and I'm ready to WAKE UP!!!

[Patsy Stone]

228. This may be

TMI, but I did the same thing, but got up later, like 5:30 a.m. Ohio was still green and so was I, I got sick. It was awful.

[KenCarson]

233. wow.....that is cool.....no, i don't keep up with sports at all

...

[Patsy Stone]

217. Yes...penalty! Recall that T/D! n/t

[budkin]

197. Woooooo!!!

Now only if Kerry would come out with an official statement...

[MelissaB]

198. Hot damn!!

I took my children to a Christmas program, and look what happens!!

[NVMojo]

205. this has definitely "out-classed" and "out-manuevered" Rove!!!

I am jumping up and down. This is so good!! And smooth!! They aren't coming out for themselves, they came out for us, the little guys and gals!!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

237. Rove has no concept of how to play a FAIR game

... He will be so befuddled he might short-circuit and self-destruct! :nuke: :bounce:

[Melissa G]

242. Truly Spectacular News and Great Link

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/11/30/ukraine_election/index_np.html

This article is written by another Texan comparing what is going on in the Ukraine to what needs to happen Here in the States. We need an Orange People movement for recount in the U. S. If someone knows how to get this link prominently displayed please do so if it is not already out. Inexperienced Newbie at the keyboard.
Thanks!

[suziedemocrat]

206. All The Presidents Men

One Good Scene:

NATIONAL EDITOR --this White House guy, a good one, a pro, came up and asked what is this Watergate compulsion with you
guys and I said, well, we think it's important and he said, if it's so goddamn important, who the hell are Woodward and Bernstein?
...
...
...
FOREIGN EDITOR-- I don't think either Metropolitan or National should cover the story. (BRADLEE and SIMONS look at him) I don't think we should cover the story, period.

BRADLEE -- Go on.

FOREIGN EDITOR -- It's not that we're using unnamed sources that bothers me, or that everything we print the White House denies, or that almost no other papers are reprinting our stuff.

SIMONS -- What then?

FOREIGN EDITOR -- I don't believe the goddamn story, Howard, it doesn't make sense.

BRADLEE -- It will, it just hasn't bottomed out yet, give it time.

FOREIGN EDITOR -- Ben, Jesus, there are over two thousand reporters in this town, are there five on Watergate? Where did we suddenly get all this wisdom?

BRADLEE and SIMONS say nothing. They respect this guy.

FOREIGN EDITOR -- Look--why would the Republicans do it? --my God, McGovern is self-destructing before our eyes--just like Muskie did, Humphrey, the bunch of 'em. (sits on the table, talks quietly on) Why would the burglars have put the tape around the door instead of up and down unless they wanted to get caught? Why did they take a walkie-talkie and then turn it off, unless they wanted to get caught? Why would they use McCord--the only direct contact to the Republicans?

BRADLEE -- You saying the Democrats bugged themselves?

FOREIGN EDITOR -- The FBI thinks it's possible--the Democrats need a campaign issue, corruption's always a good one. (rises, starts out) Get off the story, Ben--or put some people on McGovern's finances; fair is fair, even in our business.

He leaves. BRADLEE and SIMONS stay where they are, both of them flattened by what the guy's said. Because they're not sure he's wrong...


Another Great Part:

DEEP THROAT --you were doing so well and then you got stupid, you went too fast-- Christ, what a royal screw up--

WOODWARD --I know, I know, the pressure's off the White House and it's all back on the Post--

DEEP THROAT --you've done worse than let Haldeman slip away, you've got people feeling sorry for him--I didn't think that was possible. A conspiracy like this --  the rope has to tighten slowly  around everyone's neck. You build from the outer edges and you go step by step.   If you shoot too high and miss, then everybody feels more secure. You've put the investigation back months.

[bleever]

230. Wow. Nice reference. Part I like best:

"A conspiracy like this -- the rope has to tighten slowly around everyone's neck. You build from the outer edges and you go step by step. If you shoot too high and miss, then everybody feels more secure."

Thanks. And welcome to DU. :hi:

[Hobbes199]

207. Thank god. That's a welcome move.

[MRKARNO]

211. Definately a positive move

But until Kerry or Edwards PERSONALLY show their face by calling a press conference, this isn't going to get the attention it deserves.

[ailsagirl]

212. So Blair Bobier says:

"We welcome the support of the Kerry-Edwards campaign for the recount and we call upon the Bush-Cheney ticket to offer their support for this multi-partisan effort as well."

Any word from the thugs yet??

hee hee

This is one difference (among so many) I have noticed between the Repugs and Dems/Liberals: the Dems/Libs have a tendency to be more civil-- even more subtle-- (lost on most repugs)-- while the repugs are blatantly, in-your-face mean and vicious.

Just my take

[galadriel]

214. Wow!

Truly fantastic news!

:bounce:

[smartvoter]

221. Looks like I was wrong. But MAN am I happy about it.

[Stand and Fight]

222. Concerning "Briefs" & the Good News

I just figured that in light of the good news of the Kerry-Edwards intervention into the case in Delaware County, Ohio, people could benefit from the following information. The italics are mine and in some cases I have underlined what I feel to be points of particular interest to us (that is, the DU collectively). While this information is pertinent to the U.S. Supreme Court, I advise everyone to remember that precedence is set by the USSC and to also recall the events of 2000. In light of all the information below, the intervention of the Kerry-Edwards attorneys is good news, but should not be unduly trumped as an unrealistic sign. Nonetheless, the fact that the Kerry-Edwards campaign is no longer taking an "under the radar" approach in the collective recount issue speaks volumes for those who would wish to speculate as to what their next move might be in the recount process. I feel I've said enough on this matter, so here is the information I've obtained:

Amicus Curiae

Definition: Latin term meaning "friend of the court". The name for a brief filed with the court by someone who is not a party to the case.

"... a phrase that literally means "friend of the court" -- someone who is not a party to the litigation, but who believes that the court's decision may affect its interest." William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 89.

Amicus Curiae briefs are filed in many Supreme Court matters, both at the Petition for Writ of Certiorari stage, and when the Court is deciding a case on its merits. Some studies have shown a positive correlation between number of amicus briefs filed in support of granting certiorari, and the Court's decision to grant certiorari. Some friend of the court briefs provide valuable information about legal arguments, or how a case might affect people other than the parties to the case. Some organizations file friend of the court briefs in an attempt to "lobby" the Supreme Court, obtain media attention, or impress members.

"An amicus curiae brief that brings to the attention of the Court relevant matter not already brought to its attention by the parties may be of considerable help to the Court. An amicus curiae brief that does not serve this purpose burdens the Court, and its filing is not favored." Rule 37(1), Rules of the Supreme Court of the U.S.

"FRAP 29. BRIEF OF AN AMICUS CURIAE A brief of an amicus curiae may be filed only if accompanied by written consent of all parties, or by leave of court granted on motion or at the request of the court, except that consent or leave shall not be required when the brief is presented by the United States or an officer or agency thereof, or by a State, Territory or Commonwealth. The brief may be conditionally filed with the motion for leave. A motion for leave shall identify the interest of the applicant and shall state the reasons why a brief of an amicus curiae is desirable. Save as all parties otherwise consent, any amicus curiae shall file its brief within the time allowed the party whose position as to affirmance or reversal the amicus brief will support unless the court for cause shown shall grant leave for a later filing, in which event it shall specify within what period an opposing party may answer. A motion of an amicus curiae to participate in the oral argument will be granted only for extraordinary reasons." Rule 29. Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/amicus.htm

[saracat]

263. We have no reason to believe they filed an amicus curiae.

You are right that it mainly pertains to the Supreme Court. The K/E Team has applied to join" and become a party to the lawsuit. They are not petioning to be a "friend of the court". Their position is more activist than that.

[caligirl]

231. Glad I wrote an email to Kerry about Delaware county the other day

[northamericancitizen]

239. I am quite moved by

your post of hope and joy!!

Anything I can do to help you guys regain control on you country I will go on doing.

Kicking, linking, emailing etc

Keep these emotions alive.

Your northern neighbor,
Lise

[bunny planet]

244. Finally, since November 3rd, I can go to sleep somewhat hopeful

:) :-) ;-) ;) :7 :hippie: :party: :toast: :bounce: :thumbsup: :loveya: :hug: :grouphug: :pals: :headbang: :boring:

[TexasLady]

248. Hot Diggity Damn!

and yay!

[Patsy Stone]

253. kick

[Carl Brennan]

258. I KNEW IT!!! I KNEW KERRY WAS IN THIS GAME!!

Looks like the legal route is a big part of their strategy to overturn this election.

[ClintCooper2003]

259. Right on!

Well, at least it's something. I sure hope they do a hand count. My God, wouldn't it be just fucking awesome if...

a) They found out the Warren County numbers were off by thousands.

b) They found out the Butler County numbers were off by thousands.

c) They were forced to count those 92,000 undervotes and determine that about 80,000 of them were supposed to go to Kerry.

and d) They were forced to reconsider all the discarded provisional ballots.


I wonder what God thinks of Karl Rove. HA!

[rhys2k1]

260. Fuck Yeah!

[Carl Brennan]

261. When I saw the Glib's try to change jurisdiction to the FEDeral level

I thought it was one helluva smart move.

[coreystone]

264. One step at a time!...

An early morning bump!

:-)

[malaise]

267. Thank you Jesse Jackson

Thank you DU; thank to the academics and thanks to all the hard working people who refused to roll over and die.

[rodeodance]

272. anyone know JJ's email address--I would like to Thank him also

[Farah]

266. think im gonna keep KICKING it!!!!!!!!!!!

:kick:

[senseandsensibility]

268. kick

:kick:

[grueven]

269. It begins...

i've been lurking for weeks now, and i just wanna thank everyone here for keeping my hope alive.


:)

[seito]

270. Welcome to DU grueven!!!

Thanks for joining in :hi:

[Wordie]

273. Please keep kicked, so everyone gets this good news!

[McCamy Taylor]

274. Its because Dec 3 is only 2 days away...

....and we all knew that Katherine Blackwell would never certify this election before the last possible minute (i.e Dec 3) meaning that the recount could never happen before Dec. 4. Kerry-Edwards have deprived Karl Rove and the Right Wing Spinmeisters of a solid month of smear time by laying low through the month of November. And choosing to step in now, because a county (very suspiciously) has said

"Ummm, excuse us, can we be exempted from the recount? Our dog ate our ballots. Did we say that?" (sweat drops) " What we really meant was, it wouldnt make any difference to the outcome anyway,and we have Christmas shopping to do"

is brilliant.

[ElementaryPenguin]

275. Kick! Perhaps there IS a plan after all!

:bounce:

[flyarm]

277. Voters to challenge US election

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1363399,00.html

Voters to challenge US election

Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday December 1, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's victory in the US presidential election will be challenged in Ohio's supreme court today, when a group of Democratic voters will allege widespread fraud.
President Bush clinched re-election by winning the state of Ohio on November 2 by a margin of 136,000 votes over the Democratic candidate, John Kerry. Despite claims of fraud and technical glitches, Senator Kerry decided that they were not big enough to affect the result and conceded the election on November 3.

However, Cliff Arnebeck, a lawyer representing a group of voters challenging the Ohio result, claimed new analysis of various anomalies suggested it was rigged.

"We'll be calling for a reversal of the result based on evidence developed in the course of litigation," Mr Arnebeck told The Guardian yesterday. "Exit polling and substantial irregularities excluded votes that should have been counted. There is evidence that votes cast for one candidate were moved to the column of the other candidate."

Mr Arnebeck, a legal adviser to a liberal group, Alliance for Democracy, said the "contest of election" lawsuit will be presented to a judge from the Ohio supreme court today on behalf of at least 25 disgruntled voters. He said he expected other voters and organisations to join the case.

Ohio's secretary of state, Kenneth Blackwell, has until Monday to certify the result. His office did not return calls seeking comment yesterday but his spokesman, Carlo LoParo, told the Associated Press news agency: "There are no signs of widespread irregularities."

Mr Arnebeck said that hearings held in Ohio cities have brought to light new evidence of malpractice. He said one voter of a pro-Republican group caught destroying Democratic registration documents in Nevada before the election, had also been operating in Ohio.

[SharonRB]

279. Kick

[SharonRB]

280. This is great

Is it anywhere in the U.S. media? Anyone send it to Keith?

[ElementaryPenguin]

282. A morale boosting kick!

:dem: