CAN WE ALL AGREE TO TOTALLY IGNORE TROLLS WHO TELL US TO JUST MOVE ON?

[TruthIsAll]

Starting right now?

The trolling is so transparent. It's not worth the effort of a reply.

I've often made the mistake of replying to these posts with sarcasm. In fact, I just did a few minutes ago. It's counterproductive, and I will no longer do so. But only if we all agree to avoid replying to these diversionary posts.

They are designed to exhaust our energies, to frustrate and demoralize us.

As they say: Don't feed 'em, bleed 'em.

End of rant.

[ailsagirl]

1. Absolutely with you, TruthIsAll-- I won't do it anymore

[Stand and Fight]

2. Count me in

And while you're at it -- make sure they count my vote!
Seriously though, I agree with you and will exercise the same discipline -- even if the troll ignores me. I just put an alert out on blueandwhite anyhow.

[VivaKerry]

3. I would love to oblige...

but there are so many people attacking so many people on here, it's hard to tell who the trolls are. We need a litmus test to be 'certain' of alliance with the cause. Seriously. In fact, I am a troll, a red stater, a conservative, a bushista according to many on DU. So... despite my 20 plus years in the dem party as a grassroots worker.... despite protests...despite losing family and friends over the issue of politics, I don't qualify here on du. So... who ya gonna trust???? Best we ALL find real people in real time in our real cities to connect with and make something happen in REAL TIME.....

[realisticphish]

24. the problem is

how do we KNOW you were a grassroots worker, etc...im not questioning you at all, understand, but ALL we have to go on is what is posted. since obviously noone can know who anyone else is, we must look at people as their posts, and that alone. its flawed yes, but unavoidable


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[intelle]

4. totally agreed n/t

[Ladyhawk]

5. Yep. Will do. :) n/t

[Democrat Dragon]

6. YES!!!!!

And let's call them "traitors" or something like that!

I WILL NEVER CONCEDE!!!

[knowbody0]

7. im not even tempted to set them straight anymore

their curiosity is a sign of their insecurity regarding george's agenda, now on fast forward, with nothing but negative world reaction.

[MatrixEscape]

8. What?

We can't bat them around with our claws for a bit? That's no fun.

Okay maybe I will ignore them too ... but it is fun, I tell you! ;)

Ah, no pointing them to the troll bridge and pushing them over the edge, even?

Oh, okay ignore them ... sorry.

[lizzieforkerry]

9. I already refuse to acknowledge their existence- count me in!

[Patsy Stone]

10. OK -- no more poking them in the eye with sticks...If I have to... eom

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

11. Don't respond in the thread

but if they are trolls, please hit alert. It's the only way the mods can know.

[truehawk]

12. If not trolls then Dead Weight

The Democratic Party Intelligencia has long lacked the courage of it's convictions.
I can understand their comments and their motives, and stipulate that they are usually benign, however the result for the country is NOT.

Just putting aside all the human lives that will be lost if Bush is president for 4 more years, the GIs that will loose limbs, and the children that will die screaming by bomb, or wimpering from hunger, when you watch "It is a Wonderful Life" this Christmas, think about the Building and Loan. Those were the institutions that were the subject of the asset stripping opperation under Bush I known as the Savings and Loan "Bailout". The S&Ls were put UNDER by a little rule change by Bush's SEC that change the capitolization ratio without giving them time to sell stock, so they had to call in loans, or go bankrupt and have their assects seized by the "Resolution Trust". Either way the ReThugs got to buy Trillions of Dollars of assets for a dime on the dollar.

Shrub has made it possible for the companies to reneg on their pentions.

And now the Greedy Bastards are eyeing Social Security even though the payees/payors ratio will be less in the next 30 years than it was in the 60s.

If you think ANYTHING in this country that is vulnerable to Bush's depredations worth fighting for, worth trying to save, then the recount is the ONLY GAME in town.

And once you start looking, I think you will find some very interesting thing.

[RaulVB]

13. Absolutely! (n/t)

[eleny]

14. Absolutely

[Stand and Fight]

15. Kicking it...

:kick:

[SnoopDog]

16. Ok. Ok.

Just had to do it one time. I'm done. (But, it was fun actually).

[frank frankly]

17. done and done

DONE

[mikelewis]

18. I like the trolls - a few of them are pretty clever

I have read a couple of them, not many but a few have said some clever things. I usually ignore them but mocking them does add a bit of diversion in my usually dull life. I would hate to see their voices censored but if they try to derail a topic without verfiable proof that the topic needs to be derailed then they should be labeled as trolls and nuked :nuke:. I think there should be a way to flick a vitual booger at them.

Sincerely,
Michael Lewis

[TruthIsAll]

22. I will battle with them when they try to debunk my post...

but when they make a quick, unsolicited asinine statement like "let's move on" or "let's get over it", I should not waste my time.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

38. Be careful battling the ones who try to debunk

Some of them are nothing short of Rove Jr.s. No tactics are too low for them, in their effort to beat you.

[Left Brain]

81. How 'bout just a quick

"QUACK" if you feel the overwhelming need to defend your words? That pretty much says it all, keeps one from feeding the beast, and alerts the rest of us as well.

After all, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

QUACK

[Chasing Dreams]

19. You bet.

I saw the F--king post, and your reply. Don't worry about a "mistake". I'll take 'em any day...as long as we get the rest of your stuff, TIA.

:yourock:

[texpatriot2004]

20. I would like that. They are obnoxious. n/t

[Name removed]

21. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mountebank]

23. Just leave this forum if you don't want to participate.

We have already heard opinions like yours and rejected them - as you can see by the fact that we're still here!

And I love how I can respond to you without kicking your thread!

[merh]

64. We haven't rejected them. We have accepted the fact that

the outcome of the election has an impact on 2005, 2006, 2007 & 2008 elections.

We can multi-task and deal with what is yet to come and what is yet to be called!

[realisticphish]

25. its not that you want to think about upcoming elections

its just that you appear to not realize that we can DO BOTH. we can think about more than one thing at a time, and this is NOW. we have 2 years to worry about 06, and there are a lot of things that we have to do now to even consider the 06 election close to being fair


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[Chasing Dreams]

27. If we don't do something about this Selection

then there's nothing we can do about upcoming Selections, you troll.

[New Earth]

29. man this one went a little nutty

[LisaLynne]

41. I think the difference is ...

if you try to discourage others, who believe there might be something we can do, from trying it. I respect the opinion of those who feel that the best thing to do is concentrate on the next election, but I would also expect them to respect my feeling that we need to fight now if we are to have any chance of ever having fair elections again. If you want to concentrate on the next elections, fine -- that's great! Start a thread, meet up with like-minded people, and start working on it. But, all this negative sniping just drags us all down.

[Snivi Yllom]

48. correctly comprehending the election is over does not make you a troll

Some just refuse to accept reality.

[goldengreek]

56. That doesn't make you a troll.

I don't have a problem with honest people. Trolls are trolls because they just want to be assholes.

And -- when trying to prove a case, it's CRITICAL that you always have an honest opposing viewpoint to bounce your ideas off of. So if you have questions or doubts, or if you see weak arguments, then it's critical for the health of these forums that you speak up.

[buzzard]

26. TIA please read the following link. Your Canadian Friend

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/30/185532/75

[TruthIsAll]

30. Thanks. I read it earlier. Great piece of writing.

It's exactly what I would write if I had the time and talent.

[boi1946]

34. I will only "move on"

when the each and every valid vote from this last election has been counted, and when a change is made in the election process so that future voters will not have to wait for hours in lines to vote, then walk away from the polls asking themselves "Did my vote count?".
And what do you say to all the new voters---"OH yeah, Bush got an extra 4 thousand votes here and there, a few places got double-counted, a few people were turned away at the polls for no reason, but we want you to vote again in 2006?" Whatever the outcome, as long as the doubt is there, we are not "A government by the people."


Changing the subject---I do not think the people here at DU give themselves enough credit for the change already effected. Do you think K. Olbermann would still be running with the Votergate story if it were not for our e-mails? Because of the outpouring of support, the "suits in the offices" didn't try to force him to drop the story. Now the msm is picking it up.
Who stopped Sinclair? Who has been doing untold amounts of research, and giving encouragement and money to the people on the front-lines in Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire, Nevada, etc.?

Pat yourselves on the backs, folks, ignore the trolls, and keep up the fight!!!

[noclonyofthechimp]

79. This is an Excellent article. It makes you want to take to the streets!

Look at the devotion and stamina the people in Ukraine have...Ten days+ in the freezing cold. Have we gotten complacent here?

[Democrat Dragon]

28. kick

"In prosperity our friends know us; in adversity we know our friends."
-John Churton Collins

[Patsy Stone]

31. I am in strong agreement with you here n/t

[AnIndependentTexan]

32. Awww I have another idea lets give them a wedgie

[texpatriot2004]

33. kick

[truehawk]

35. kick

[seito]

36. I pledge not to kick trolls!!!

:hurts:

[tngledwebb]

37. Trolls and the like seem to be busiest where there's smoke

signalling the fires that'll bring down their bosses.

How to tell? Well, just trace the 'Internet Conspiracy Theory' label back to it's primary site of origin. ( Hint- See DU Archives, has a lot to do with that special day that BushCo popularity suddenly shot WAY up, oh about 3 years ago.)
Now it's not for the squeamish, or the close-minded, but should be of special interest to those who want to observe subterraneans with a suspiciously similar M.O. to the Move On'ers 'round here.

And then the rest of the DU community can finally start putting CT 1 and CT 2 together...

[ClassWarrior]

39. You mean "Bon-Bon Posts?"

As in, "Give up... it's hopeless... just go back to watching soaps and eating bon-bons."

LOL

NGU.

[Farah]

40. This is JUST what I needed to hear... where has the optimism gone, people?

[AuntiBush]

42. Your are absolutely correct!

Will do - no more frustrating demoralizing debates with them. It only gives them what they want. I'm in. Thanks for the reminder.

[malatesta1137]

43. I am not a troll and never told people to 'move on'

but got grilled anyway by many here, even got a warning from moderators yesterday. I was called a 'freeper' by pointing out the simple reality that we are in right now.

I will continue to be tough on John Kerry and will continue to say that only by taking to streets like Ukrainians that we can accomplish something. Sitting behind a computer bitching won't do. Also useless are marches, petitions, lawsuits, recounts, etc

[merh]

47. Then move away from the keyboard and get your ass out

there and do it. Nobody here is stopping ya! :shrug:

[malatesta1137]

50. are you joining me?

or are you just staying behind you computer bitching like all the others?

[merh]

51. Sounds to me like you are the one bitchin!

:nopity:

[malatesta1137]

53. I knew it

just more hot air.

[merh]

54. Guess what, I can multi-task and I definitely do not answer

to folks on political forums. I do more to fight for civil rights and against the political corruption than you ever will do in your lil' lifetime. And yes, it would appear you are full of "hot air".

[malatesta1137]

57. you do not answer?

apparently you just did. And if you have been fighting corruption, you need to get better at it. This country has never been governed by a more corrupt cadre. And it's getting worse.

[merh]

59. What the f*ck are you doing all talk and type?

As I said, I don't answer to you and don't have to tell you diddly squat. naynaynay! I can see why the alert was hit to advise the mod of a post of yours. You sure like to attack folks.
While you are whining and bitching, I suggest you learn some manners.

[malatesta1137]

67. you use the F word so loosely

and tell ME to learn manners, hilarious.

[merh]

74. Your attacking of others and judgment actually calls for harsher

words than contained in my posts, so the "f" word was mild in comparsion to what I would like to have written. You are the one that whines (or is it brag) that the mods were alerted to your posts, not me. You figure it out (rules provide that even posters with high number of posts can be banned if their behavior is disruptive). :shrug:

[ayree be liberal]

44. No I think we should fight them.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

60. Be careful. They fight dirty. -nt

[merh]

45. Oh, okay, but some times I like to play

with them and bat 'em around. I try to do as you suggest and ignore them! :silly:

[SueZhope]

46. This is not the place for the "MOVE ON" chat

I think its OK to express ones concerns , fears, frustrations on the situation.
Its a FIGHT that is not an easy one , fighting for democracy and free, fair elections is a challenge, however it can and will be done ...If the people want change and are willing to STAND AND FIGHT

As for those that say get over it "move on" ......I don’t think this is helpful at all perhaps they should be posting in another part of the Forum ,
Like general politics.....most of the people coming to election results are about fighting the good fight

[gorbal]

49. Don't Move On, MOVEON!

There is a rally planned in Ohio this Saturday-

http://caseohio.home.mindspring.com/

If you can't go, or you are going and want to be furthur helpfull, post on this thread-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=78747&mesg_id=78747

[mod mom]

52. Where is their patriotism

As Rev Jackson said it is not about George Bush or John Kerry, it is aour democracy that is at stake. It is about the civil rights of the voters. EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW! We must have faith in our election system!

[goldengreek]

55. Agreed.

We're too busy proving our case to worry about them anyway.

[On the Road]

58. Sure -- Splitting the Party is a Great Idea

[understandinglife]

61. KICK (n/t)

[jrtruth1]

62. Is David Corn of The Nation a "troll" ...

Or should progressives start using their brains?


http://www.davidcorn.com/

November 30, 2004
More on the "Stolen Election"

My friends who believe Bush was only able to vanquish Kerry because the election results were rigged are not going to enjoy my latest "Capital Games" column at www.thenation.com. As a recount in Ohio looms, I note that the case for the "stolen election" has not been made.

===========================================================
There was a time when progressives could be counted upon to come up with intelligent positions backed up by reason. You guys who continue to push the "stolen election" stuff are making progressives look stupid.

[Helga Scow Stern]

69. David Corn is no troll, just someone who has too much

vested in his particular version of reality to see what else might be really going on.

The cause of his blindness might be contained in these very words:

"My friends who believe Bush was only able to vanquish Kerry because the election results were rigged..."

[IndyOp]

63. A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen

Sing it with me brothers!
A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen

Sing it with me sisters!
A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen

All together now!
A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen

Loud enough they can hear it in heaven!
A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen

And one last time!
A-a-amen, A-a-men, A-amen, A-amen


:kick:

[slackmaster]

65. Sure thing

I think ignoring them is a fine idea.

They are designed to exhaust our energies, to frustrate and demoralize us.

While I don't agree with all of your number crunching exercises I agree with you completely on that point.

[texpatriot2004]

66. kick n/t

[understandinglife]

68. My response to anyone who says 'just move on' -- NO, NEVER &

We must not allow this election to stand:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x97709#97813

"Halt, Audit & Prove My Vote Counts, Now" - and, oh by the way, even when that is done we still have the totally invalidating fact that many of our fellow citizens were effectively suppressed from voting.

Thus, this election goes into the sewar of history where it belongs and we are going to have another one.

Peace.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

70. In n/t

n/t

[smartvoter]

71. Agreed.

[texpatriot2004]

72. kick

[texpatriot2004]

73. kick

[Randers]

75. yes...eom

[prof_science]

76. I too have made that mistake.

Never again.

[New Earth]

77. this board is getting RIDICULOUSLY infested

with trolls. can't they at least be a little more discreet?

WHO WANTS TO BET ME MONEY ON WHO GETS INAUGURATED?

please, five me a fukking break.

[ewulf]

78. I'll do my best to try (n/t)

[LVdem]

80. Keep up the good work, TIA...nt

[senegal1]

82. this really needs a kick tonight!