Madsen is our ONLY hope now. Here's the reasons...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

1) Kerry was backpeddling about his involvement with the Ohio recount - parsing, retracting today. If he had the goods on *, he wouldn't care about the image. And fellow democrats wouldn't be pressuring him to stay out - our secret hope as to why they were silent.

2) Jesse was openly chastising Kerry for conceding. This implies to me that despite our hopes that they were all working together, behind the scenes with a stack of real proof, they are not. Or if they still are, strange strategy. Poor Jesse. He's standing tall and they're making him the patsy. Doesn't anyone have any balls anymore?

Otherwise, there has been fraud, and that should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. But there is not enough time, despite the thousands frantically and valiantly trying, to piece it all together in a cogent fashion, that MSM will jump on, before the 13th.

I think it will eventually happen though, the truth will come out. And when it does, if * gets away with it - will be when I check out jobs in Canada too.

[New Earth]

1. i think we should keep Madsen in the back of our head

AND CONCENTRATE ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY DOING SOMETHING, LIKE COBB AND BADNARIK.

[dogman]

2. If that's your only hope get your visa now.

[politicasista]

3. This is not good news

I thought the Kerry/Edwards campaign was involved? Starting to lose faith in keeping democracy.

[IAMREALITY]

4. Disagree

"Madsen is our ONLY hope now. Here's the reasons..."

Bullshit. We still have DU, and I have all the hope in the world with us....

[Eloriel]

5. Laura, if getting Kerry in office is your main or only goal,

you've got your priorities seriously screwed up.

This is about saving democracy. Is that of ANY interest to you? Do you give a damn? Do you?

[ZRB]

8. Saving democracy is nice

But four more years of Bush is going to mean complete devastation. The environment is fucked, many more wars along with the draft are on the way, along with all the other unspeakable horrors...

Until January 6th, I think we have to do everything we possibly can to OVERTURN THIS ELECTION! That should be the goal until it is legally impossible. We can then focus solely on saving democracy after that.

[lonestarnot]

15. Second!

Well said!

[KoKo]

12. As Eloriel says...getting the vote count and Voting Machines is the MOST

important thing we can do...

I said my other thoughts down below...But, Eloriel has a point which I'm working on myself here in NC as other DU'ers in their own States are doing..fighting to make sure those machines count the REAL votes and are not manipulated by anyone. It's my focus. We must try to do that, if everything else comes up short...Voting is too important..and belongs to not just one party but all. :shrug:

[ZRB]

6. I hate to say it, but I agree.

I was always under the impression that the Ohio recount would be conducted manually. Without that, I don't see how the recount is going to catch the fraud. Combine that with the disappointing provisional results, and ridiculous voting machines that can't be recounted, and I have to say that the ONLY hope we have of overturning this election will be proving exactly how the fraud was committed, and who did it. Whether or not Madson is right, he is the only person so far who has come CLOSE to making that case so far.

[KoKo]

7. Will the "Truth" take decades to appear? Or is what we do important?

I hate to say it but I agree with much of what you say.. I'm even so cynical that I wonder if the "Truth" will not take decades to "appear."

But, I have to focus on the "Recount" and Du'ers efforts and mine...just e-mailing stuff to anyone I think "might" have influence and I don't want to really think about the dark downside of what you are saying.

I hope those Du'ers who are "digging" for Madsen find something...I hope whatever we are doing turns up more evidence...Somewhere out there...there's something. We know from experience with them that they have powers that are so skillful (the whole US Govt. is in THEIR HANDS &
the MEDIA) that it will take the most "wiley Coyote" to find the "link" to the fraud. But, most of us are doing what we have to do. And, we must have something or the folks wouldn't be coming to us for $$$'s for Recounts and asking US to do research for them.

But...in the end..I think it all comes down to US and our NETWORK that we've built in the last years to pull us all through...no matter how long it takes. :shrug:

On Edit: I'm not sure about Madsen's theory and his sources. I hope it's true..but it's really hard to look at all his info and not be worried that he's been fed something that's so convoluted that it's a dead end.

But...folks should still work on this! We don't know what the "truth" of anything is anymore...just because something looks a little hard to prove doesn't mean it isn't worth trying to prove it...

[Senator]

9. Another Hope >>>

Demand that our so-called "leaders" actually lead and sing on to this...

Declaration of Intent

It cuts to the quick. Goes around the counting. Around the high court traitors. And asks of them a simple question:

"Are 10-hour poll-tax-lines for poor minority voters AND no lines for affluent white voters tolerable?"

(In short: Are you a racist or not?)

[truehawk]

10. There is precident for the selection of electors after Dec 13

[Shalom]

11. We Must Support Madsen, Not Rely Upon Him...

It is not necessary to make choices between Bev Harris, Wayne Madsen, Jesse Jackson, or the Glibs. We must support each and everyone who is trying the crack the stranglehold the Bushitler dynasty has on America.

The truth is coming out - many see it already. And don't diss Kerry - he fought the flesh-eating Bushitler virus like a true warrior, worked his ass off, and crushed the AWOL cokehead coward mano-a-mano in three debates. Bushitler stole the election, and took the prize that Kerry won. We are helping Kerry to get it back.

And don't worry - George Walker Bushitler will NEVER GET AWAY WITH IT. At one time, it seemed that Bushitler's soul brother, Adolf Hitler would get away with it, and usher in the Thousand Year Reich. But it only lasted 12 years.

Bushitler will go down into the dirty toilet he came from, but let us hope (like Adolf, and his Nazi grandfather Prescott) that he doesn't end up murdering millions in the process.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. WOW - Of course I care. I care DEEPLY about..

the fraud that's been perpetrated on us. It makes me sick. I care about what he's done to our country - how hated we are in the world. And trust me, the short month I've been reading and commenting on DU has inspired and motivated me. Since I have been living in Texas, surrounded by Republicans, I never knew there were so many brilliant, valiant Democrats out there anymore.

I am just sad, I guess. Dreamer. All along hoping that they all had something really big.

[ahyums]

14. Kerry retracting and parsing today? where? when? I've heard nothing about

that

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. NO, He didn't Retract. He just said, Kerry team would be

supporting the recount. Then same back and change the word to particpating in the recount. Supposed pressure from the demos.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[Carolab]

17. Yes, someone ELSE has balls!

Have you forgotten who our other friends are in this:

David Cobb, Michael Badnarik and Ralph Nader!

I think all progressive Democrats and moderate Republicans should now fold in with one or the other. In fact, I would like to see Nader working with the Greens again.

I would like to see a united, Progressive Party.

Get rid of these sell-out Democrats we've been backing.

[Shalom]

18. Oh Yeah, Ralph "Eunuch" Nader Has Balls....

Just remember that without Piece of Shit Nader, Gore would probably have been re-elected for a second term, instead of Bushitler.

Thank Nader ? NO THANKS !

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. I agree