Bev Harris Absolved....

[catnhatnh]

....as she should be in any other than Bizzarro World.Let's put this in perspective-a republican insect unworthy of a name is given a "retirement party" while stonewalling LEGAL FOI requests and one of the only citizens of the entire USA to object is now going to be a subject of scorn for some perceived lack of couth!!!I ain't been here long but if that is the flow of this site please tombstone me now-or don't....if I don't see some sign of backbone and support here sooon,then I'm gone...

[SmokingJacket]

1. Are people ragging on Bev?

They better not be.

Unless they like the taste of knuckle sandwich.

That's right!
:grr:

[3days]

2. This may be a pain in the ass request

But I am new here and am not privy to the prob that people have with Bev. She seems to be one of the only ones to be getting out from behind a keyboard and doing anything about anything. Could someone explain?
Thanks

[tavalon]

8. Bev

can sometimes piss people off with her abrasive tone and there was something about her published book and her publisher and they had a public mudslinging fest here on DU - it was just before I got here and I saw a little of the aftermath.

Basically, flawed human beings are running this show. Find me one that isn't flawed and they can run the show. Aside from that, anyone who gets out from behind the keyboard and does any little or big thing (and Bev is doing huge things) deserves a lot of slack cut for them.

[catnhatnh]

66. Bev is God or the Devil...

...depending on whom you talk to...most recently filed suits in two florida counties regarding voting fraud..

[Spiffarino]

3. Nobody's perfect, and Bev's no exception

...but she's putting it all on the line. How many of us can say that? I say cut her some slack, send her some money, and help her kick ass.

[floridadem30]

6. Hear Hear

[AmyCrat]

16. lots of people put things on the line for their cause

it doesn't mean they always do the right things or they don't make mistakes. And SOMETIMES those mistakes could come at a huge cost to the cause.

That isn't to belittle what she does at ALL. But just because I share the belief there was fraud doesn't mean I have to think she's a god either. If people speak up and say "this might not have been such a good idea" it only helps the cause by improving it, no???

[Spiffarino]

46. Like I said, nobody's perfect

And Bev Harris is no deity. BFD. If she's screwing up something, call her on it. In this particular case, she showed enormous chutzpah. She stood up when all most of us are doing is sitting here typing (mea culpa...mea maxima culpa).

[frankly_fedup2]

53. We might be behind the keyboards; however, we are supplying the cash . . .

to keep it going. Bev has the talent with the computers and understanding how all the stuff works. We that are donating money to keep these recounts going are the "Silent Majority."

I look at the people of the Ukrain and I envy them. They are making us look really bad. Their courage, their standing out in that cold for days. Their unbelievable committment to making their votes and democracy right.

Why can we not commit like that? I would be in Columbus in a heartbeat, I just don't drive, and my husband cannot bring me due to working. My best friend lives there and I could stay with her the whole time. I just have a problem getting there and back or I would do more then donate.

[merh]

65. Where do you live? Have you checked to see if any

dems or activists in your area are going to be traveling to Columbus. Heck for that matter, start a thread and see if you get any responses.

I have to work and live in a southern state. The trip is out of the question for me. (Unless I win the lotto.)

Just a suggestion about checking to see if you can find someone in your area going over there. :hi:

[Spiffarino]

68. I hope you can find a ride

Lot's of DUers say they're going. You may be able to find a local who can drive you there by looking in the Activism forum.

Good luck! :hi:

[Razorback_Democrat]

4. I agree!

I've not been here long, but I've noticed that some of the most discouraging posters are the so called "old timers" who have over a thousand posts.

I could care less how many posts a person has really and don't know why they put it on the post. What qualifies someone with 1000 posts to have a more relevant opinion than anyone else?

Just my opinion

But there are a lot of people on these boards that are interested in seeing democracy protected. it may not overturn an election, but who knows? Maybe we will end up instead with an electorate that becomes aware of what the thugs are capable of and demands transparency and takes our country back from the hands of those (R and D) who are just in it for the wrong reasons.

Our founding fathers never envisioned elected office to be a) a career path; or b) to be glamorous.

They looked at it as a civic duty to be done then return to your life.

[Catch22Dem]

11. Whatever, freeper disruptor with only 74 posts, who cares what you say?

I'M KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was an excellent post, and you're absolutely correct. Post count doesn't mean SHIT, as you've just demonstrated. Look at me, I've been posting here since early 02 and I just cracked 6000, while others manage to knock out 1000 posts in a week. It's all relative.

A hearty welcome to DU from me! :toast:

[IAMREALITY]

15. Know What?

"Our founding fathers never envisioned elected office to be a) a career path; or b) to be glamorous."

I think that's one of the absolute smartest things I've read on any website yet.

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[Razorback_Democrat]

23. Thanks!n/t

[Shalom]

5. Absolved Absolutely - Screw the LaWhore! n/t

Don't feel any sympathy for Therese "LaHo" - she's been paid plenty for her kinky tricks on behalf of wing-tipped Repigs, who can only get it off with S&M....."John" Bushitler can now give "LaHo" a job, replacing Candy "The Ho" Rice.

[righteous1]

21. You know she is a democrat

[Spiffarino]

47. A Democrat who registered as one to get elected

...because she knew she couldn't win as a Republican, which is what she had been for many years. Did you know that before she became the Palm Beach Vote Splicer she worked for Richard Perle's bosom buddy, Adnan Khashoggi?

Yeah, real great Democrat.

[righteous1]

58. No dispute there, someone said she was

a republican and i was setting the record straight

[Spiffarino]

61. Hmm...missed that

I know I should read all the posts in a thread, but my eyes hurt from this one!

[catnhatnh]

64. Sorry Spiff...

...tried to make this eyeball friendly,too...

[bobbyboucher]

7. No true DUer has any problem with Bev Harris. Only the fakies.

Watch out for the trolls, they are everywhere. What is most humorous about it is that they think they get away with it, but I know every goddamn one of them.

Bev probably just served Lewhore's ass at the only place she knew she would be. Simple logic.

[yowzayowzayowza]

20. Pftht.

...apparently no shortage of goose-stepping morons in any quarter.

[Stand and Fight]

24. You say that, but...

You say that, but a lot of the people putting her down have over five-hundred or more post. Some have even been on the site for a while. Yes, her actions were dramatic, but they were also courageous -- especially given LaPore's history with litigation. Maybe it was a bit rash, but I will say this for the old girl -- she's got a hell of a lot more heart than those just sitting on their butts criticizing her actions with their words. Nothing so bad as a Monday morning quarterback. So, what she served a corrupt election official who was having a farewell party in a different county! Big fucking deal -- her own people voted her ass out because she's a lousy no good piece of shit public-servant who only serves her own self-interest.

And as for Keith Olbermann bringing it up on HIS show, more power to him. Had it been O'Reilly it would have been Fox's brand of "fair and balanced" -- not Keith's version. People who are getting so riled up about him having come out and given an opinion on what was a very rash act doesn't mean he's gone against his audience. He simply stated a matter of fact, and he was no where as scathing as some of the posters on here who turned against Bev Harris in their words.

Both Keith Olbermann and Bev Harris are doing a lot for this country in the interest of this election and subsequent reform. A whole helluva lot more than Fox, CNN or any of the other so-called traditional voices of the public. There are a lot of people working tirelessly in the aftermath of this election farce -- Jesse Jackson, the Libertarian and Green Parties, the people who are demonstrating, writing letters, lobbying their representatives.... Let's not turn into carnivorous beasts and begin to eat our own in a panic. We need to remain united with each other, with those out their taking public stances, and together we will effect change in this country. We should show a fair amount of reservation when it comes to criticizing any of their efforts when they're fighting for America and the preservation of her democracy.

'Nuff said.

[Ladyhawk]

45. I read what she did and I'm not sure it was such a good idea.

I think it might have been a mistake. We're trying to gain credibility here and that sort of thing doesn't look good.

Look, I support the recount 100%. All I want is the truth, even if it's that * won fairly. We need to know for two major reasons:

1) Voter confidence
2) So we can strategize

If * didn't win fairly, we know our strategy was at least "OK" and that certain people are going to jail. :D If he did win fairly, we have some serious thinking to do about how to better present our message to those on the fence. My personal opinion is we need fewer spineless Dems.

While what Bev did was gutsy, it was also foolhardy. There is a difference. We need Dems that can be strong without being foolhardy.

Show me how what Bev did helps our cause and I'll change my mind.

On Edit: Three people on DU whom I respect have expressed doubts about Bev Harris. I also saw her freak out and threaten to sue DU over a silly "name" dispute. This has made me wonder what Bev's true agenda is. I don't like feeling this way because few others are standing up for transparent voting, but I can't help the way I feel. I watch what people do to find out whether or not they are trustworthy and unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect her. :(

[Spiffarino]

51. The only thing I can say is

...she did something dramatic and raised awareness where none may have existed.

We have to face facts, hawk...thousands protested the Iraq War, the RNC in NYC, globalization, Bush in Canada, and the MSM ignored all of it. If we don't do some crazy stuff in a hurry, vote fraud is going right off the radar.

I know you don't think much of Bev. Lots of DUers have honest disagreements with her and her methods, but I think she did well here. Somebody finally has the guts to make a sacrifice.





Edit: spelling

[Ladyhawk]

54. She threatened to sue DU over nothing.

This legitimated the claims of some of the other DUers in my eyes. And again, three DUers I've known and respected say she's not exactly trustworthy. My spidey sense has been tingling ever since.

Sigh. I hope she's for real, but my gut tells me not to send her any more money. It really saddens me because I don't know whom to trust. We need a leader we can trust and we really don't have one, in my opinion.

[Spiffarino]

56. I saw that thread

...and it raised my hackles, too. I thought her threat to Eloriel and Al was way out of line. I hear she does a lot of that kind of thing.

I hope she's for real, too, hawk. Her stunt today gave her some credibility if for nothing else than she embarrassed and exposed an evil election-fixer.

[catnhatnh]

55. This democracy thing SURE ain't easy Ladyhawke...

...and I sure could be wrong....But whatever Bev's flaws her entire thrust is towards people releasing more data and most places she goes they sure don't seem to like that idea...So til' then I'll tend to side with the irratating Lady....maybe that's just me??

[EST]

9. I have not seen anyone looking askance at Bev-

certainly not here. There are a few who, perhaps to provoke a "discussion," will assume the role of devil's advocate, but not often. Bev's a true hero (ine) in any thinking, nonextremist circles and well should be treated as such. If most of the guys I know had the balls she has...

[catnhatnh]

31. Holy Cow Est...

... and if most guys....really Lady....I'm tryin' to be political here...

[Alizaryn]

10. They did not realize it was a "retirement" gathering

My understanding is that they thought it was a NON private meeting where how ballots would be stored was being discussed. it was never advertised as being a retirement gathering.

[catnhatnh]

14. Go Ali...

Please post this as a thread... Bev has been gettin' her rear kicked a bit for "poor taste" in choice of targets...this would make a world of difference..

[Stand and Fight]

26. Was not a retiring gathering

It was a farewell party for a world class fraud-obsessed bitch in a different county than the one she served.

[SharonAnn]

12. Bev Harris rocks! Loved the "presentation" of the legal papers at a

public event! What Chutzpah!

She knows how to do publicity, that's for sure.

And fortunately, she's been an unbelievably quick study on computers, programming, business auditing practices, election processes around the country, etc.

My hero(ine).

[SueZhope]

22. Bev is a hero

Perhaps she is not perfect..who is.....

so why did keith do that to her tonight?

He never shared the real story about what happened
instead he turned it into a Tin Hat event.
very poor judgment

[understandinglife]

13. Bev is a National Hero: OK

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

Now, everyone -- halt this damn fake, puss-filled, embarrassment called the 'national election of 2004' and let's do exactly what the Ukrainians are doing; forcing a legitimate re-vote.

Peace.

[Shalom]

18. Amen.

[anamandujano]

39. and another

"Amen."

--go Jessie go--

[marions ghost]

17. Look for Bev support here...

IN THIS thread below you will find a lot of pro-Bev comments and you will see that her detractors are very few...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=95350&mesg_id=96646&page=

Who cares what happened? Bev's doing her best and that's all anybody can expect. Fine with me if she comes off as tough and demanding. And if it was hyped for video, that's OK with me too. Right, she should be on the cover of Time.

[juajen]

19. No argument from me

This one time, I will say DITTO.

[GreatAuntK]

25. Go, Bev!

LePore deserves public criticism and worse. We all got W. But Florida got JEB! - yes JEB! for 5 more years - yeah, bad, huh, haRUMPH! I phoned LePore's staff at least four times this year in anger and frustration, and, the last time, I cooked the unfortunate office worker who picked up the phone.

[Turn CO Blue]

27. I feel the same way when everybody starts piling on:

Michael Moore
(for not being "Michael-enough" by shaving and wearing a suit - even though he just did a sixty-some city "Slacker" tour in only thirty-some days, often incurring all expenses and is currently facing an IRS audit - hello?)

John Kerry
(for not being perfect, for letting us down, for not being in the forefront of VoterGate - even though he's been pulling 18-hours days for the last two years just to be cheated)

Keith Olbermann
(because of the direction Countdown took tonight - even though he's the only one in MSM with the courage to break the election fraud story and is keeping it alive)

It's too true, and I've said it before (so my flamesuit is on) - but WE DEMOCRATS TEND TO EAT OUR OWN. It's like we have to pick someone to turn against every single week. (And yes, I've done it too, and this post seems like hypocrisy since I'm criticizing DU'ers, but I'm really, really going to watch it... )

Let's save the energy, criticism, rancor and vitriol for the ones who truly deserve it - the Bushies, Thugs, hate-mongers, war-mongers and religious fundies.

Bev is working all the damned day long. She won't be perfect, she will make mistakes, but she deserves respect and gratitude. Period.

End of Rant.

[catnhatnh]

29. Holy CHRIST...You mean these people...

...are HUMAN....each and all??? I've lived with a few humans and I've found them both a disappointment and a delight.....bet you will also...

[Turn CO Blue]

33. Yes. Bev and Moore are human, as are all the wonderful

DU'ers. I am impressed by the amount of care, thought, intelligence and initiative I find on DU.

But ever noticed how "only human", "human being" and "humanity" are all positive terms?

[shraby]

32. Dandy rant....I'm with ya 100% n/t

[Guava Jelly]

28. Wow she like walks on water

I hope she gets something done besides a movie that preaches to the choir

[darthdemocrat]

30. Just curious... have you done 1/100th of what she has? -eom-

[Guava Jelly]

35. No not really I never sold false hope

and had herds of believers throwing me money left and right.
I didnt sell bill clinton cigars
I didnt screw everyone that helped me on a book
I didnt threaten to sue Elorial

I hope she gets something accomplished i truly do..
I just have my dounbts about her

if you have time read all these from bartcop..
http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=340673&mesg_id=340673&page=3

[catnhatnh]

37. Then wander off Partner...

...I doubt you'll be missed.....

[Guava Jelly]

38. I was here first pardner

Its a free board that you do not own.

[catnhatnh]

41. Absolutely correct...

...I foolishly included my hopes...

[Guava Jelly]

42. You should check my link before

bashing me.
I believe florida was fraudulent..
I am not against the message its the messenger i have doubts about

[righteous1]

59. As do I

I like some of the things she's done, but she makes me queezy

[darthdemocrat]

48. I have my doubts, too

but right now I give her credit for trying and trying hard. She's not above criticism and Kerry surely isn't. Neither is Nader. Nader and Bev are contributing to the chance of a change for the good, though.

Maybe you are too by pointing out that people have too much hope invested in her. Maybe we all are by discussing it here. Bev is doing more.

As for Kerry, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he comes out and stands up for voting rights will people really turn out in droves to demand he is listened to? I think he needs something bigger. Who in this country is going to risk what they have in the face of what only appears to be erosion?

If a thousand of us stood up and put in the time and effort that Bev is putting in how much better would the odds be? I'm sure glad someone is doing something, however effective it might be in the end.

[catnhatnh]

36. Nope....

....nor 1000th....that's why I posted.If I had done 100th I MIGHT complain...

[darthdemocrat]

49. I'm with you. Bev deserves credit for trying if nothing else. -eom-

[mdb]

34. I like it...

LePore obviously doesn't have the time to give Bev the public records, because LePore is too busy going to party's. Maybe if she took care of business her party wouldn't have been interrupted. This is the least she deserved in my opinion.

[shaggy briard]

40. Hey

Irrelvant to this post, but I found a newspaper report from last year's roadkill fur auction -- see other thread -- I knew you were kidding, but the roadkill stuff is so weird I had to share.:silly:

[truehawk]

43. Those who sit and critize Bev are hypocrites.

[KnowerOfLogic]

44. Repukes want dems to be "polite" about another Bush election theft.

Screw that.

[darthdemocrat]

50. Repugs: Would you PLEASE admit your crimes and head to prison? -eom-

[Blue in the face]

52. Can we get Bev on Keith's show to defend herself?

I was a bit taken aback by Keith's criticisms tonight too. But then I realized that he is trying to be objective, and I have zero objectivity on this issue. That is his goal, mine is to get the Shrub out of office and bring attention to the fraud issue.

Does anyone have any contacts or could we do a massive email campaign to ask Keith (or anyone else who might be appropriate) to get Bev on and give her five minutes to explain?

One of her detractors brought up a good point about the tape that is supposed to show the Volusia County election tape episode, if she has it, then that is instant credibility and instant publicity. I'm sure she wants her ducks in a row before blowing the lid off Florida, but with bad publicity and time running out, maybe the best thing to do is lay the evidence and cards on the table, as it were, for the American public to see. My faith in this country has taken a huge hit since Nov 2, but I still have to believe that that tape would mobilize people who have so far ignored the whole election issue.

What does anyone else think?

[catnhatnh]

63. Hey Blue....

...We don't know but Welcome here....I wonder if (and love) Keith Obermann (for what he has ALREADY done) could stand up to the standard you set for Bev..Show me proof of everything that anyone has ever said about you...Bev has already filed at least 2 lawsuits that will stand and fall on their own merits in florida and I at least believe it has more to do with justice than headlines...the future will show but even Keith had more than just this evening to show his hand...

[stillcool]

57. Holy Toledo!!

Wow...I'm shocked. If you'all want to rip someone apart, could you maybe be a tad more discriminating in your choice? Here you have Bev, someone who is doing a phenomenal job and your answer is to judge her? How dare you? There is so little good news and whatever glimmer of hope that is found some of you can't wait to snuff it out. I thought you had more class. Read what you want, and watch what you want, and have your own opinion, but don't get on your high horse and get your jollys at someone else's expense.

[senseandsensibility]

60. I agree

Why is the only person brave enough to take this on being dissed? Even if people don't agree with every little thing Bev does, her motives are pure and she is OUT THERE unlike some, who throw potshots from their keyboards.x(

[dzika]

62. One more for LePore

One more for LePore

Outgoing elections supervisor faces another lawsuit

Published Thursday, December 2, 2004 at 2:00 am
by Dale M. King

-snip-
The lame duck tenure of Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections heresa LePore is becoming as contentious as her post-“butterfly allot” era. The woman who dealt with more than 50 lawsuits as chief of the county’s election department has to handle at least one more efore she leaves office on Jan. 3.

-snip-
Harris said she turned to LePore and said, “Since we can’t get your ttention any other way, I’m serving you with a courtesy copy of the awsuit we served in your office this morning.”

Harris said LePore refused to take the lawsuit, so she set it on the able in front of the outgoing supervisor. LePore, however, said that he simply turned her back on Harris when she saw she was being aligned.

“There were 67 supervisors in the room and they picked me because hey knew they would get national publicity,” said LePore. “And they id. I’ve been getting calls from all over the country.”

http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&category=Local%20News&prid=10311

[aquart]

67. LePore is NOT retiring.

She's going to be an election fraud INVESTIGATOR until she CAN retire with pay.

Anybody notice this?

[pauldp]

69. We need 10,000 more like Bev Harris

with 10,000 personalities. some abrasive, some charming.
We are all human and we need a lot more humans taking this thing on.

As far as LePore goes...that criminal deserves much worse than a little rain at her party.