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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:19 PM
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what/whose books should I read to properly educate myself
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 02:19 PM by SemperEadem
on the current state of affairs going on in Iraq? I want to get a grasp of the true history of why everything that is going down is going down.

thanks
SE
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:32 PM
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1. Assassin's Gate was good about the first few years in Iraq.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:36 PM
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2. Scott Ritter first and foremost...........
Paul William Roberts, Seymour Hersh.

I would also recommend "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel Huntingdon, "The Great War for Civilization; the Conquest of the Middle East" by Robert Fisk, "Blowback," "The Sorrows of Empire," and "Nemisis" By Chalmers Johnson. I would also recommend Baghdad Burning 1 & 2 by Riverbend.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:37 PM
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3. Working with Anger.. by Chodron
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Tormenta Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:12 PM
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4. A Peace to End All Peace
by David Fromkin is excellent. It's very well written and extremely well researched. It starts with the Ottoman Empire and brings in the discovery of oil and the creation the the Modern Middle East. A very good overview.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 04:02 PM
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5. For some reason I have trouble
reading an entire book of one author's take on anything...I'm the same way with recipes...I have to collect a whole bunch and come up with something of my own. Here's some sites that have loads of articles...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://www.globalpolicy.org/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:55 PM
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23. Those are excellent choices. nt
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:27 PM
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6. To everyone
thank you so much!! Time to get busy .:hi:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 06:12 PM
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7. Fiasco by Thomas Ricks
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:49 PM
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8. Yessir!
:thumbsup:

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:30 PM
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9. I heard about this one and wonder if it's as good as it looks:
Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 1776 to the Present (Hardcover)
by Michael B. Oren

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moblsv Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:19 AM
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10. try these three
Power, Faith and Fantasy - History of US in Middle east (just started, seems good)
Against All Enemies - Terrorism, foreign policy and the lead up to the war
Fiasco - Focuses on the war itself



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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:57 AM
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11. One of the most recent I read was "Blood Money"
"Wasted Billions, Lost Lives, and Corporate Greed in Iraq by T. Christian Miller"

it covers a LOT, and is relatively new. I've read a lot of books about Iraq, and I'd add this one to my list of the best, along with many of the ones people have already suggested.
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mdinusa Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:51 PM
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22. Thanks for thepost
I'll try to read it.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:24 PM
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12. all of the above plus Imperial Life in the Emerald City
about us in Baghdad circa 2003-2004. It was astonish you about how incompetent we were/are.

For a history of the terrorists (of which there are very few in Iraq, none before the war but about 1200 now mostly in Anbar) read: Looming Tower. I consider this a must read on who the people who blew us up on 9/11 are. It's not exactly what you think, neither side gets it right. Mostly its about how radical Islam got so nuts.

Along those same lines is Karen Armstrong's Battle For God about fundamentalism in the three monotheistic religions. Although I didn't read the whole book all the way through I scanned it and read lots of it. Helped me understand religious crazies in general...well, maybe not "understand".

Hubris, Fiasco, State of Denial...all about how horrid mistakes.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:44 AM
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20. Read Assassin's Gate first. Then Emerald City, then Fiasco. In that sequence. nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:04 AM
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13. Lots of good suggestions
Have a look at these two for some historical perspective:

"Inventing Iraq" by Dodge

"A Peace to End All Peace" by Fromkin

This one deals more specifically with Iran, but also provides insight into one aspect of why "they" feel the way they do about us:

"All the Shah's Men" by Kinzer

another would be:

"The Devil's Game" by Dreyfuss


Enjoy! Let us know what conclusions you come to.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:40 PM
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14. Power, Faith and Fantasy
America in the Middle East 1776 to Present

It's not really about Iraq, specifically, but will help you understand the broader situation of our relations with that part of the world.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 10:42 AM
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15. I'm going to try Robert Fisk
I greatly respect & admire him, and I've tried to watch on Democracy Now whenever Amy interviews him or plays his clips. I realize "The Great War for Civilization" is a huge book, but he includes so much background & history, I'd like to get into it now that it's in paperback.
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RJRoss Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:39 AM
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16. More recommendations
To understand why Americans are so quick to go to war, and how easy it is to convince them to do that, you should read Chris Hedges' "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" and Norman Solomon's "War Made Easy". I also further the previous recommendation of Chalmers Johnson - I've only read "The Sorrows of Empire". Ditto to Scott Ritter's "Iraq Confidential".
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:01 PM
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17. Here is an online bibliography:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:01 PM
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18. Fiisaco & Imperial Hubris
These two books will provide a deep understanding about the failures of The Busholini Regime.
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coberst Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 09:46 AM
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19. Disinterested knowledge is play dough
Instrumental knowledge is interested knowledge. Instrumental knowledge is the life blood of a value system that places the maximizing of production and consumption as “Number One”.

Disinterested knowledge is the un-knowledge, it is the non-instrumental knowledge. Disinterested knowledge is an alien and clumsy word in a society that places maximum value on production and consumption. Disinterested knowledge is not a catalyst of production and consumption but it is the catalyst of creativity. Disinterested knowledge is the mixing bowl of creativity.

Creativity is the synthesis of the known into a model of the unknown. The value of the unknown is yet to be determined. Creativity requires a comfort with the unknown.

Disinterested knowledge is an intrinsic value. Disinterested knowledge is not a means but an end. It is knowledge I seek because I desire to know it. I mean the term 'disinterested knowledge' as similar to 'pure research', as compared to 'applied research'. Pure research seeks to know truth unconnected to any specific application.

In our consumer society, disinterested knowledge is seldom a matter upon which institutional education will waste time. Disinterested knowledge is the province of the self-learner. I think of the self-learner of disinterested knowledge as driven by curiosity and imagination to understand.It is noteworthy that disinterested knowledge is knowledge I am driven to acquire because it is of dominating interest to me. Because I have such an interest in this disinterested knowledge my adrenaline level rises in anticipation of my voyage of discovery.

“When God wanted to create the world, the conservative angels, with tears in their eyes, shouted to Him, ‘Lord, do not destroy chaos.”—Mark Van Doran


Properly understood, Freud’s doctrine of infantile Xuality is a scientific formulation and reaffirmation of the fact that childhood innocence, as displayed in their delight with their body, remains wo/man’s indestructible unconscious goal.

As a religious ideal childhood innocence has resisted assimilation into rational-theological tradition. Although there is a biblical statement that says something to the effect that unless you become children you cannot go to heaven, this admonition has affected primarily only mystics. However, poets have grasped this meaning in its philosophic-rational terms.

Children on one hand pursue pleasure and on the other hand are active in that pursuit. A child’s pleasure is in the active pursuit of the life of the human body. What then are we adults to learn from the pursuits of childhood? The answer is that children play.

“Play is the essential character of activity governed by the pleasure-principle rather than the reality-principle. Play is ‘purposeless yet in some sense meaningful’…play is the erotic mode of activity. Play is that activity which, in the delight of life, unites man with the objects of his love, as is indeed evident from the role of play in normal adult genital activity…the ultimate essence of our being is erotic and demands activity according to the pleasure-principle.”

In his “Letters on the Aesthetic Education of Man” Schiller says that “Man only plays when in the full meaning of the word he is a man, and he is only completely a man when he plays.” Sartre says “As soon as a man apprehends himself as free and wishes to use his freedom...then his activity is play.”

H. H. Brinton, modern American archaeologist, considers the essence of man is purposeful activity generated by desire. The perfect goal generated activity is play. Play expresses life in its fullest. Play as an end, as a goal, means that life itself has intrinsic value. Adam and Eve succumbed when their play became serious business.

Jacob Boehme, a German Christian mystic, concluded that wo/man’s perfection and bliss resided not in religion but in joyful play.

Quotes from “Life against Death” by Norman Brown P33


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ious Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:22 PM
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21. Hunters' Wingmen
Hawks CAFE's Abel Danger virtual intelligence team presents Hunters' Wingmen eBook to expose KPMG's abusive tax shelters and the United Nations and USDOJ role in the biggest crime in American history.

http://www.usdoj.gr/ch01a.html
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