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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:07 PM
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Has anybody read "The Myth of Rescue"?
The subtitle is: Why the democracies could not have saved more Jews from the Nazis.

The author is: William D. Rubinstein, professor of History at the University of Wales-Aberystwyth.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:08 PM
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1. No, but I know Aberystwyth!! Nice part of Wales, middle of nowhere,
winter sucks there, though--too dark!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:19 PM
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2. I've read alot of books about that era and basically they did not believe it and
did not care.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:24 PM
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4. There was apparently a pamphlet called "100 Authors Against Einstein."
Is 100 a lot? I'm not particular interested in a democracy of facts. Votes do not determine historical fact, so your initially impressive sounding words "a lot" do not impress.

Please cite one specific book that you consider to be of value and please identify one particular chapter or section in that book that you consider to be completely reliable or almost completely reliable.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:23 PM
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3. So slowing the deaths by destroying the camps or at least destroying the rail lines to the camps -
would not have saved lives? - yeh - right.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:25 PM
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5. Have you read the book?
Are you quoting from it?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:38 PM
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6. I know the history and have read many books - I ask the question - what is the author's
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 12:52 PM by papau
answer? Or does he not address the concept in a book on the topic of Allied actions and non-actions to save Jews in WW2 after being informed of the death camps and railroad transport to those camps in 1942, with yearly pleadings by the Jewish community that were confirmed by our OSS (the CIA of the day), with written minutes/recollections of meetings where bombing the rails to save Jewish lives were rejected as a waste of bombs needed elsewhere, not likely to succeed, and any other reason one wants as an excuse to not try to save Jewish lives?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4175045.stm and
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1565844157/theamericanisraeA/

Could the Allies Have Bombed Auschwitz-Birkenau?” Holocaust and Genocide Studies, (Fall 1997), pp. 129-170....The Allies began had information about the Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews by 1942. As early as June 1944, the United States had detailed information about the layout of Auschwitz from Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wexler, who had escaped that April. In fact, he cites Richard Breitman, who concluded that prior to 1994 “there was enough generally accurate information about Auschwitz-Birkenau to preclude the argument that the Allies did not bomb the camp because they got the necessary information too late. (Richard Breitman, “Allied Knowledge of Auschwitz-Birkenau in” in Verne E. Newton, ed., FDR and the Holocaust, (NY: St. Martin's Press, 1996), p. 180, cited in Erdheim, p. 137.)

Destroying Crematoria II and III at Birkenau would have eliminated 75 percent of its killing capacity at a time when it would have been difficult, if not impossible to rebuild them.

U.S. Senator George McGovern piloted a B-24 Liberator in December 1944, and his squadron bombed Nazi oil facilities less than five miles from Auschwitz. In 2005, he said “There is no question we should have attempted...to go after Auschwitz. There was a pretty good chance we could have blasted those rail lines off the face of the Earth, which would have interrupted the flow of people to those death chambers, and we had a pretty good chance of knocking out those gas ovens.”

I have not read this intellectual tome - just how does he come to his conclusion?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:01 PM
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7. Was Vatican City a democracy at the time or was it simply a neutral
dictatorship, somewhat like Spain?

Could Vatican City have helped provide advice -- if not material assistance -- to the democracies in any planned project to stop the mass murder of civilians?

Perhaps that should be phrased as follows: to the other democracies (if Vatican City was itself a democracy).
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 02:54 PM
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8. Kick
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