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scholarsOrAcademics Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 04:33 PM
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historian Tarpley's Venice implants itself
Edited on Sat Jan-03-09 04:36 PM by scholarsOrAcademics
into Europe.
from New Federalist (google) on tarindex.
New Federalist June 3,1996
How the Venetian System was transplanted into England.

excerpt:
090103 New Federalist
The Venetians concocted myths to enhance their influence on English society. For the nobility and the court, there was the anti-Christian myth of King Arthur and his Round Table of oligarchs seeking the Holy Grail. For the mute and downtrodden masses, there was the myth of Robin Hood, who by robbing from the rich to give to the poor combined plunder with class struggle.
During the wartime 1370's, the population of England collapsed by 1.5 million souls, from a total of 4 to 2.5 million, because of the Black Death, which itself resulted from Venetian debt service policies. The year 1381 saw an uprising in London and southeast England on a program of abolishing feudal dues, free use of forests, and an end to the tithes or taxes collected by the church. This was called Wat Tyler's rebellion, which ended when Wat was killed by the Mayor of London. Contemporary with this was the rise of Lollardry, the prototype of English Protestantism promoted by John Wycliffe, the Oxford scholastic. Wycliffe's anti-clerical campaign had many easy targets, but his theology was inferior and his stress on every person's right to read and interpret the Bible was designed to spawn a myriad of fundamentalist fanatics.

This set on writings is not in book form, but it is a book on the web.
Like I did not learn this detailed a history in college or at the university.
It has relevance to history, sociology,and political thinking.
It is specialized, but it should be background material for journalists, etc.



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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:22 PM
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1. Please provide link
Your google tarindex suggestion turned up nothing useful. Has anyone but Tarpley discussed this idea? It seems far-fetched but not totally implausible.
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scholarsOrAcademics Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:01 AM
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2. abjpress.com/tarpv1.html
No, but I have read several of the books he has mentioned in his bibliography. He ends with the call: "Now, after fascism a second world conflict, the cold war, and the fall of the communist regimes in Europe, the time has come to reopen the Versailles Treaty. The Treaty must be reviewed to specify the war guilt of an international conspiracy masterminded, first by King Edward VII of England, and after him by Sir Edward Grey, of which figures like Izvolski, Sazonov, and Clemenceau were participants. The center of war guilt must be fixed in London. Reading this work, I've concluded that I have vastly underrated the importance of foreign Ambassiders and Embassies in meddling in the affairs of the host countries. And the importance of family, dynastic, oligarchical ties.
abjpress.com/tarpv1.html
VENICE

V1. The Venetian Conspiracy

Address delivered to the ICLC Conference near Wiesbaden, Germany, Easter Sunday, 1981; (appeared in Campaigner, September, 1981)

V2. The Role of the Venetian Oligarchy in Reformation, Counter-reformation, Enlightenment, and the Thirty Years' War

ICLC Conference, 6 September 1992; (appeared in New Federalist, April, 1993)

V4. How the Dead Souls of Venice Corrupted Science

ICLC Conference, September, 1994

V5. Venice's War Against Western Civilization

Appeared in Fidelio, Summer 1995

V6. The War of the League of Cambrai, Paolo Sarpi and John Locke

From ICLC Conference panel titled: "The Axioms of the American System," Feb. 18, 1996; (appeared in New Federalist, March 18, 1996)

THE BRITISH

B1. How the Venetian System Was Transplanted Into England

New Federalist, June 3, 1996

B3. The British Empire Bid for Undisputed World Domination, 1850-1870

Schiller Institute Food For Peace Conference, Chicago, February 22-23, 1992

B4. Lord Palmerston's Multicultural Human Zoo

ICLC Conference, February 20, 1994

B5. King Edward VII of Great Britain: Evil Demiurge of the Triple Entente and World War 1

ICLC Conference, February, 1995
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scholarsOrAcademics Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 05:42 PM
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4. level of detail
shows in following paragraph:

"Lollardry as a social phenomenon had a specific Venetian pedigree, best seen through the prevalence among the Lollard rank and file of the belief that the soul is not immortal and dies with the body. This is the mortalist heresy, and can more accurately be called the Venetian heresy, because of its deep roots within the Venetian oligarchy. Later, beginning in the early sixteenth century, the University of Padua and Pietro Pomponazzi were notorious for their advocacy of mortalism."

How would this compare to today's Spiritualism?
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scholarsOrAcademics Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:12 AM
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3. this should work
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