Two of my favorite shows from last season got cancelled.

[Renew Deal]

V and Outsourced are both gone. This is very disappointing. V was growing into a terrific show. Outsourced was funny and I loved the cast. It's a shame it was cancelled.

[Dept of Beer]

1. I rely on books for my entertainment.

They don't often cancel a book that I am reading.

[Renew Deal]

3. Good for you

:puffpiece:

[Systematic Chaos]

2. Not all, but many of the good sci-fi shows get cut way too soon.

My wife really loved V, and we both were really into Dollhouse.

On the bright side, Supernatural was only slated for 5 seasons at the start but has now been renewed for season 7. And it's every bit as good now as it was in the beginning.

[Renew Deal]

4. I'm excited for falling skies this weekend.

It looks good.

[a kennedy]

16. Sorry, I might be wrong, but I did not care for Falling Skies.

I thought it would be great with Steven Spielberg involved.......but, not to be. JMHO.

[PatrynXX]

20. thes not original.

lets see Knight Rider around 4 seasons.
Airwolf 3??
worst.. Street Hawk. 12 episodes


then Ghost Whisperer a year ago. 5 seasons. How CSI manages itself I have no idea. Although if you watch Ghost Whisperer and CSI LV enough you'll confuse the shows :P

[InvisibleTouch]

5. Agreed...

...I loved V, but we are lucky we even got a second season. Maybe in another 20 years they will try another reboot. :/

[Just-plain-Kathy]

6. I'm going to miss "All My Children".

I liked "Off the Map", now it will be off the tv.

[Little Star]

15. I liked "Off The Map" too! Sad they didn't renew it!

[PatrynXX]

19. well when Days leaves

network television is officially dead. it'll be all cable. (oh sure get me to watch Y&R again. watched it from 86-the late 90's..

[kestrel91316]

7. The House voted to slash funding for food safety inspection in a move that will

GUARANTEE one hell of a lot of needless, real human suffering and death due to E. coli and such, and you are worried about your effin' tv shows.

You, my friend, are definitely PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[mackerel]

8. Outsource was sooo funny.

[Renew Deal]

9. Unlike you, I prefer to not wallow in misery 24/7.

I know. It's a cruel, cruel, world.

[kestrel91316]

10. I won't be the one wallowing in misery. I am really good at safe food handling techniques.

It's the less attentive and less educated and less capable who will suffer. And children with immature immune systems.

You are either completely clueless about public health and food safety issues, or one of the most uncaring, uncompassionate human beings I have ever encountered.

We can and must do a lot better than we are when it comes to public health.

Now go kick a puppy. It's what you do best.

[Ohio Joe]

11. Wow... Maybe you should check out some of the other forums

Because like... People mostly come here to discuss less serious issues... Even on occasion things they enjoy.

[Renew Deal]

13. No. He's right

I like to kick puppies. Kittens too!

:rofl:

[Ohio Joe]

14. What about birds?

I have some birds that need to be kicked :D

[Renew Deal]

12. lol

Bwahahahahah

:rofl:

[Webster Green]

17. Lighten up Francis.

I can't stand TV. I got rid of mine years ago, but to attack those who choose to entertain themselves watching TV, and call them "part of the problem" is really lame. :wow:

[PatrynXX]

18. Brothers and Sisters shocked alot

and it had twice the viewers of V. near 10 million to V's 5.

and somehow One Tree Hill was renewed. yawn.

[4lbs]

21. Once again, it's all about the profit a network can make on a show that determines whether it gets

renewed or cancelled.

It's also why some shows a person thinks "sucks" get renewed while those one "likes" are not.

Some shows, especially Sci-Fi, have a pretty high cost-per-episode compared to others.

This cost requires higher commercial ad sales, which in turns require a higher viewership, and thus, Nielsen rating, to make it profitable to continue.

For example, if a show costs $3 million per episode to make, some network number cruncher may determine that they would have to sell the 30 commercial ad spots (15 minutes worth) during the one-hour program for at least $100,000 each to break even. Then they compute viewers-per-dollar that they can advertise. For $100,000 per 30-second ad spot, the show might need to attract at least 10 million viewers each week to justify the cost figure to a prospective advertiser. If the show doesn't regularly reach 10 million viewers then they can't sell enough advertising to match the cost of the show, and the network starts losing money. When a network loses money on a relatively new show, or even established one, it cancels it.

Back in the 1990s, when "Friends" was the top-rated show, all six main characters were earning $1 million PER EPISODE during the last two seasons. Add in the cost of shooting the episode, the writers' costs, etc, and it adds up. That means the show's cost was probably around $8 million per episode. For 20 minutes of show, and 10 minutes of commercial, that means about 20 commercial spots lasting about 30 seconds each. Thus the 20 or so commercial spots needed to sell for $400,000 each to break-even on cost. However, it was profitable because it was the #1 show and brought in approximately 20 to 25 million viewers per week. With that high viewership it was easy for NBC to sell those ad-spots for $500,000 or more and bring in a profit of at least $2 million per episode.

One reason why the networks are inundated with reality shows is that they have extremely low per-episode production costs. Where a one-hour drama program may cost 3 or 4 million per episode, reality shows often have costs in the $250,000 to $500,000 range. So, where a drama might have to regularly draw 10 to 12 million viewers each episode, a reality show can justify it's cost with only 2 to 3 million viewers each episode.

"One Tree Hill" got renewed over V or some other shows because of two things:

1.) Lower per-episode production cost

2.) Lower per-episode viewership requirement because of #1, making it easier to sell advertising, and maybe even turn a profit before syndication.


While V probably needed 10 to 12 million viewers per week to justify the cost, being a sci-fi show with lots of special effects, OTH probably had 1/4 the episode cost, and thus only needed 2.5 to 3 million viewers per week.

It's almost always about the bottom-line with TV programming.