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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:02 PM
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Great speech by minister on Bush policies
Got this as an e-mail...THIS is what every
other religious leader who is dismayed by
Bush's policies and actions should be saying:

Subject: moral values Dr. Robin Meyers
Oklahoma University Peace Rally
November 14, 2004

As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational Church in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church in northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City University. But you would most likely have encountered me on the pages of the Oklahoma Gazette, where I have been a columnist for six years, and hold the record for the most number of angry letters to the editor.
Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.

We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exa! ctly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we talking about? Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith. We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does.

Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side:

--- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your
deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

--- When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of th! e world, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like that we must never return violence for violence and that those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are doing something immoral.

--- When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even count them, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the strong ! will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called "enemy combatants" of the rules of the Geneva convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are with you, or with the terrorists

--- and then launch a war which enriches your own friends and seizes
control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you, you have done something immoral.

--- When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth which is God's gift to us all, so that the corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something immoral. The ! earth belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton.

--- When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our
killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral. We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

--- When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a
"compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you talk about Jesus constantly, who was a healer of the sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to see a doctor, even if she doesn't have a penny in her pocket, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set women back a hundred years, and when you! surround yourself with preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing something immoral.

I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I must be a
supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith. I'm tired of people saying that I can't support the troops but oppose the war -- I heard that when I was your age, when the Vietnam war was raging. We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war is wrong--the only question is how many people are going to die before these make-believe Christians are removed from power? This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people who can
turn things around are people like you--young people who are just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them. It's your country to take back.
It's your faith to take back. It's your future to take back.

Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut. Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists--so do all the faith traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing:

Life is precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith. And war -- war is the greatest failure of the human race -- and thus the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song, whose lyrics say it all: "War, what is it good for?" And what is the dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we should beat our swords into p! lowshares and our spears into pruning hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to know that too many people have died?
What if they gave a war and nobody came? May be one day we will find out.

Time to march again my friends. Time to commit acts of civil disobedience. Time to sing, and to pray, and refuse to participate in the madness. My generation finally stopped a tragic war. You can too!




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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:05 PM
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1. Nice Work
that is awesome - i vote it for greatest...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:08 PM
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2. That's a keeper
It's on the web, too -- sorry, but I don't have the link at hand.

More and more Christians are speaking out about the infernal apostasy of the "Religious Right" (that's a contradiction in terms, eh?). Other such clerics include Tony Campolo, John Shelby Spong (who intially supported GWB), Jim Wallis (founded Sojourners), and Michael Lerner (a rabbi, started the Tikkun movement within Judaism).

--p!
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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:13 PM
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5. found the link to it online
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:02 PM
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10. ahhhh. I know that one.
:-) thank you.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:38 PM
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14. Spong supported Bush?? Are you sure? That's peculiar.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:15 AM
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17. That's what I heard
I saw it in print recently. I may track it down on-line when I get some free time.

Spong probably met Bush in person, while he was on the campaign trail in 2000. Bush can be very charming in person and often sounds quite reasonable.

I believe, in GWB's case, it's known as being "two faced". And Rev. Spong is a rather trusting soul.

--p!
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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:11 PM
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3. this is fantastic. Thanks for posting it. n/t
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Semi_subversive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:12 PM
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4. WOW!
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:15 PM
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6. This is the best thing I have ever read on DU!
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:33 PM
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7. Kick!
Brilliant!
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Rocky13 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:37 PM
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8. Sounds authentic to me! (A little Christian also)
I agree with what you are saying, the truth is there. I believe the Judgement Day comes for us all no matter what religion we embrace and it comes much to quick for some who are victims of the carelessness that abounds in this old world. We need to do the best we can with the cards we are dealt and play fairly with the others around us. A peaceful world never happens without an economically sound plan for everyone. I am not saying a perfect anything has to exist, just saying that a level playing field is necessary for purposeful and Christian behavior to grow and flower into a beneficial and exemplerary life.
Keep a prayerful attitude while working like Hell!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 12:14 PM
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19. Welcome to DU Rocky13
:hi:
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On Par Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:01 PM
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9. He's Right. It's Time To March Again....
...I can only hope the youth of America are listening.

OP
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:44 PM
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11. I heard Dr. Meyers give this speech. It was great.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:54 PM
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12. Is Dr. Meyers a female or male pastor?
Not that it matters - it was exceptionally well-done!
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:43 PM
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16. Male.... n/t
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:34 PM
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13. Thanks for bringing this here.....
what a wonderful message. I have sent the link to everyone I know!
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:42 PM
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15. This did make the DU earlier last week...but it is worth posting again...
In my opinion, it is one of the best speeches that I have ever read. I even did a little research and ended up sending an email to his church thanking him.

Another well deserved kick...:kick:
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:45 AM
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18. Good one. Thanks
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 12:14 PM
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20. Amen!
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:22 PM
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21. I'm nominating this for the Greatest page! This is awesome! n/t
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