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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:28 PM Original message |
It's one of those days when I feel very hostile toward religion. |
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Rosa Luxemburg
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. One can get by without religion |
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PunkPop
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm with you |
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PunkPop
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Nevermind |
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kwassa
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. Today I feel all warm and fuzzy about religion. |
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BOSSHOG
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm with you teammate |
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Dorian Gray
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Thu Jan-18-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
100. Wow! |
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nannah
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. my biggest problem with religion is the magical thinking |
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Duncan
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Well said. NT |
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BridgeTheGap
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Spirituality is an expression of our relationship |
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mopinko
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. religion is an evolutionary vestige |
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nannah
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. a vestigal organ stops being used before |
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nannah
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. or maybe becoming vestigel is preceded |
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badgerpup
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. I'm no biologist... |
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sshan2525
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Tue Jan-16-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well put...... |
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CrispyQ
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
11. I find it interesting that when something good happens in some people's lives, |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I like that bumper sticker. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'll buy that |
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Evoman
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. In keeping with the OP |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You got it. |
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Shadrach
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That would work |
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Evoman
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The action of religion is not done for a greater cause. |
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Shadrach
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think it is done for both |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Tue Jan-16-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. except one thing |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I find it hard to believe that religion of itself causes anyone to do good. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Just reading a book about Lincoln right now |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. I once thought the same as Lincoln apparently did |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Perhaps |
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Meshuga
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. I'm pretty close to what you said of Lincoln |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. And that is a decent motivation |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
22. Disagree in part, agree in part. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. A psychotherapist would do more for such a person than a priest. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Not all clerics are cut from the same cloth. |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Give me the psychotherapist priest! |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Philosophy: search for wisdom. |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Using those definitions, you would be correct. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. In a sensible world, universal care would cover psychotherapy. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Ah! This is why we're unlikely to have a productive discussion. |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of religion? n/t |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. What is your definition of religion? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I find all definitions troublesome, but I suppose I like this one best. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Let us take bottlecap collection as an organized system of belief |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. LOL! Well I do think you're stretching the point just a weensy bit. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I'm really glad you laughed! |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Religion is nothing if it can't be funny. |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
24. Where the comparison of religion to a hobby falls short... |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. My brother says it falls short in that many hobbies are actually useful to society. |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. *snort* |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
28. Religion isn't the problem. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I wouldn't say it is "the problem" either. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. That's a very Christo-centric perspective though. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. What makes you say it's Christo-centric? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. A clerical intercessor is the exception not the norm. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. So what are rabbis and imams? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. There is a difference between a religious teacher and... |
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More Than A Feeling
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You left out Protestant ministers. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No, one of the tenets of the Reformation was... |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. What makes the religious teacher teach? What is the religious teacher teaching? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I can make a fantastic book recommendation. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Okay, but I wasn't thinking in those terms |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Just as guns aren't the problem. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Tell that to the Canadians who have a higher per capita gun rate... |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Or the Europeans, who have a much lower per capital rate... |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. And of course there is little to no strife there. |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Why the sarcasm indicator? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. The sarcasm indicator indicates I was writing sarcasm. |
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jgraz
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Exactly -- for example, in Ireland....whoops, nevermind |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I'm not the one who brought up Europe. |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. As there is gun violence in Canada. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Me too. You're right. It was a dumb comment. My apologies. |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. My point is that religion has been the most convenient excuse. |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I can't argue with that, but I also cannot draw the conclusion that... |
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trotsky
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Tue Jan-16-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. I don't think anyone is saying that it's utterly useless. |
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Evoman
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. Do you have any links for that statement? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Shit, you're right. I should have known better than to trust Michael Moore. |
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Evoman
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. No need to apologize....I wasn't chewing you out. I seriously want to know where |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jan-16-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I'd like to know where he got it too. Because since... |
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MistressOverdone
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Tue Jan-16-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
74. One man's hobby |
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noamnety
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Tue Jan-16-07 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm going to take a wild guess here at your demographic |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. What the displaced of New Orleans benefited from was community, not religion |
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noamnety
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Theory vs. Reality |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Jan-16-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I repeat that that you're praising community, not religion. |
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noamnety
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Wed Jan-17-07 06:34 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You're trying to force a separation where it doesn't exist |
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Shadrach
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Wed Jan-17-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Yes, community is a big part of religion |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Jan-17-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Yes, no doubt, religion is a large part of some communities in New Orleans |
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noamnety
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Wed Jan-17-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I think everyone understands things differently |
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More Than A Feeling
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Wed Jan-17-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I don't know if I agree that those same loving people |
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kwassa
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Wed Jan-17-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Thanks for your great note. |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I will only say in response |
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kwassa
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Fri Jan-19-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
115. These people are a community because of religion |
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Evoman
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Fri Jan-19-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. We have student science groups at my university. We meet every so often, do activities, etc. |
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kwassa
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Fri Jan-19-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Rationalism is overrated. |
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BurtWorm
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Fri Jan-19-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. That's a very simplistic reading of the meaning of the church in African American communities. |
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kwassa
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Wed Jan-17-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. What good God was in New Orleans. |
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BurtWorm
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Thu Jan-18-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Just as Bush's faith-based initiative would have it. |
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Evoman
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Thu Jan-18-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. You could argue that belief in god was good in New Orleans, but that |
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noamnety
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Fri Jan-19-07 06:36 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. "God does not feed you, god does not shelter you." |
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Meshuga
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Fri Jan-19-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. The Church is not God |
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noamnety
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Fri Jan-19-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The OP's not about "God" - it's about religion |
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BurtWorm
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Fri Jan-19-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. How is your position different from the right-wing's on faith-based initiatives? |
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noamnety
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Fri Jan-19-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Major differences with the faith based initiatives (and your post) |
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BurtWorm
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Exterminism may indeed have been Bush-Nagel-Blanco's game in NO |
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noamnety
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Fri Jan-19-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Hostility and advocacy |
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BurtWorm
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Fri Jan-19-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Who is arguing in favor of doing away with those organizations? |
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kwassa
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Fri Jan-19-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. You don't know the current structure |
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Meshuga
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I wasn't replying to the OP |
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trotsky
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Implicit in kwassa's statement... |
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noamnety
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Fri Jan-19-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. I didn't read it that way. |
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trotsky
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Fri Jan-19-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I did. |
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kwassa
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Fri Jan-19-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
113. How can you come up with this conclusion? |
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Evoman
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Fri Jan-19-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. I suppose I could ask you the same thing. |
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kwassa
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Fri Jan-19-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. I'll tell God that next time we talk. |
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Evoman
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Fri Jan-19-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. While you at it, ask him for the numbers for the lotteryl That extra bit of money |
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boomboom
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Tue Jan-16-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
79. I agree and disagree |
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More Than A Feeling
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Wed Jan-17-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I strongly disagree with this quote of yours... |
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boomboom
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Wed Jan-17-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. I guess I took it another way |
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More Than A Feeling
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Wed Jan-17-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Well, obviously they can. |
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BurtWorm
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Thu Jan-18-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Please don't try to be good at evangelism! |
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boomboom
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #98 |
122. good grief |
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BurtWorm
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Sat Jan-20-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. I didn't say you were bothering people. |
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Fri Jan-19-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
123. Why do people who care nothing about religion and theology haunt this forum? |
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noamnety
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Sat Jan-20-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. It's not that they care "nothing" |
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J Williams
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Sat Jan-20-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I think everyone should be welcome. That's why ... |
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Wed Jan-17-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. That's a real laugh! |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Jan-17-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Read about Tom Paine. |
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Wed Jan-17-07 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
82. Some do their spirituality and ethics through a religious filter-- |
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J Williams
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Wed Jan-17-07 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
87. Appropriate to this discussion... |
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