what do Isralis think of the Rapture?

[donsu]

in Israel is there talk of the Rapture?

are they up for it? preparing to go to heaven with the american religiously insane who love and need the jews in order to go to heaven?

[Dr.Phool]

1. It's not a part of the Jewish faith.

And it's best characterized by one of our "Christian" Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, who said the Book of Revelations were the rantings of a madman.

[donsu]

4. so Israel doesn't know how involved they are to the amer.

religiously insane? that the rapture is political?

[Wright Patman]

5. Thomas Jefferson

denied the deity of Jesus Christ so you are right. He was a quote/unquote Christian and I doubt if he even ever used the word in quotes with respect to himself. I think what he believed is called deism.

He once published his own Bible, which edited out all references to the miraculous in the Gospels.

[Igel]

22. But I think the core proof text for the rapture isn't in Revelations,

but one of Paul's writings.

[neweurope]

2. There are some Jewish madmen - I forgot what they call themselves -

who are preparing to rebuild the temple. That is necessary so the end of the world can come. In order to rebuild the temple they must slaughter a perfectly red cow. Some American breeders have been helping them get a perfectly red cow. They had one once but unfortunately at age three it showed some white hairs. Now they have another one, still all red, which is supposed to be slaughtered this year or next, I forgot.

Oh yes, there are madmen all over.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. i'm sure Israel has genetically egineered red cow already .hey they ...

already genetically made a featherless chickens at Israel's Hebrew Univ a few years ago...the poor little cluckers below they should have to be kept out of the sun tho calling PETA! :( look how sunburned these cluckers are :(

Genetically Engineered Naked Chickens


http://www.mindfully.org/GE/GE4/Naked-Chickens-Israel22may02.htm

HAVAKUK LEVISON / Reuters 22may02
Two featherless chickens peck around in some grass at the Hebrew University in Rehovot. Israeli scientists at the Agriculture department of the university have genetically engineered bare-skinned chickens as part of a research project to develop succulent, low fat poultry that is environmentally friendly. The naked chicken, as the bird has been dubbed, would also save poultry farmers large amounts of money on ventilation to prevent their chickens from overheating.

[Obviousman]

20. I heard that NPR story too

Interesting stuff

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Since the Rapture is based totally on New Testament doctrine...

...I doubt the Jews in Israel talk much about it at all. Some of them may have read the NT or other books on the subject, of course, but I wouldn't think it's a normal subject that comes up at the Temple.

Actually, the Rapture theology says that the Jews (or at least 144,000 of them) will then be given the responsibility of evangelizing and saving souls from the Antichrist during the Tribulation. Naturally, this would mean these 144,000 Jews would first have to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. It is true that

that the Jews don't believe in the 2nd Coming, because for them, they are still waiting for the 1st coming of the messiah. But in order for the Messiah to come, they have to destroy the Mosque that is currently sitting at the Temple Mount and rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem.

So despite different mythologies and the disagreement in regards to whether or not the Messiah has been here before, they still have compatible goals.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. Yeah, there is that little "real estate" issue....

Actually I'm surprised Sharon hasn't knocked the Dome of the Rock down with his armored bulldozers yet. He would be arrogant enough to do so.

Here's a scenario.....

1)Junior invades Iran, and in doing so, pisses off the Russians.

2) Israel invades Syria soon after.

3) Sharon bulldozes the Dome of The Rock, not only clearing a space for the rebuilding of the Temple, but also pissing off every Muslim on the face of the earth.

These combined events bring about the prophecy in Ezekiel 38-39 in which a nation from the "far north" (Russia) leads a coalition of Muslim nations - those named specifically are Libya, Persia (Iran), and "Ethiopia" - which is the historical name for a much larger region of Africa than just the current Ethiopia - Sudan and Somalia would also likely be involved.

Many Evangelicals believe that this invasion of Israel is the "opening kickoff" to the endgame to end all endgames, with the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation following very soon after. This is why I threw the destruction of the Dome of the Rock into the Mix, because the Temple must be rebuilt by the middle of the Tribulation, when the Antichrist (Abomination of Desolation) enters the Temple and proclaims himself to be "God".

In addition to all this, you have the "Bible Code II" book predicting a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East in 2006 :(

Yes, this is deep Biblical tinfoil here, but it's funny how the possibilities of these scenarios don't seem so far fetched anymore.

[donsu]

6. it seems so odd that the amer. rel. insane need Israel in order to

Rapture, yet Israel hasn't spoken out saying they wanted no part of Rapturing.

[robbedvoter]

7. What are "Isralis"?

[blondeatlast]

8. Very few Christians even believe in it.

It's largely the mythology of Dominionists (The "Left Behind" wackos)and a couple of other wingnut factions.

[donsu]

11. but they are in smirk's white house and pocket

they are a political tool for the bushgang that involves Israel. Is Israel a co-conspirator?

[Igel]

23. Ack. The Dominionists are post-Millennial, the people believing

in the rapture are pre-Millennial. The post- and pre- business refers to when Christ returns vis-a-vis the Millennium.

It's like confusing National Socialists with the Socialist Workers Party.

[No Exit]

9. I'm sure it gives them a good laugh. n/t

[keith the dem]

12. Most Mainline churches don't buy the rapture BS

The rapture is a 20th century invention using very creative interpretation of the Bible.

[Jacobin]

13. As long as it means that RW Fundies pressure Congress to

send billions to Israel and to send U.S. troops to fight Israel's neighbors, they are laughing into their sleeves and enjoying the ride.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

14. Some OT verses can also be interpreted as "Rapturish"

The Book of Daniel and Isaiah for example-- when John Darby founded Dispensationalism and pieced together the various verses to come up with the Rapture notion, he did crib somewhat from the Old Testament.

As someone else pointed out, there are some extremists in Israel who feel that the mosque in Jerusalem must be demolished and the Temple rebuilt, so there are overlapping interests. Religious extremists on all sides seem to have more in common with each other's fanaticism than moderates of any religion. Get ready for WWIII.

[IndianaGreen]

16. Jews and Judaism will cease to exist according to the Book of Revelation

those that refuse to accept Jesus as G_d will be destroyed by his "dazzling" presence. There is no room for Jews and Judaism in Christian eschatology. They believe in the same final solution that Hitler did, except that theirs is wrapped in religious mythology.

[DadNascar5]

18. I'm an Israeli, born and raised in Haifa,

we don't believe in the Rapture. We totally stick to the Old Testament. We think Christian fundamentalists are as whacky as you do!

[donsu]

19. good - thanks for posting, but do you all realize that it's been made

political in america and that they consort with smirk?

[Dervill Crow]

21. Jews for Jesus

They are a very small but vocal minority who have lots in common with the christian fundies. Unfortunately the Messianic Jews I came into contact with seem to have kept the worst parts of the Old Testament and incorporated it into the New Testament and made sort of a smorgasboard of pretty weird theology.