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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:59 PM
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Anyone feel like saying a prayer for the Pope's recovery?
I do not agree with him on many issues, but I still admire his courage in fighting his illnesses as hard as he has.

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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:04 PM
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1. Already have...
for a "speedy recovery or merciful death", just like Fr. MacNamara taught me.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:09 PM
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4. Amen to that -- "a speedy recovery or a merciful death"

whatever God wills.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 07:42 PM
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15. Me too...
Speedy recovery or a merciful death, that is. :)
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:06 PM
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2. No Thank You
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:58 PM
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11. A prayer for life. Not such a bad thing. And it helps your spirit grow.
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 10:04 PM by MissMarple
But only if you really mean it. :-)

on edit. Oops, on looking on looking at your sig signs, apologies if you are an athiest. However, good thoughts work in a quite similar fashion. IMHO And,I'm a deist, I don't do dogma. At least I try. :eyes:
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:06 PM
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12. No problem
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:08 PM by Dying Eagle
I don't know what I believe. All I know is organized religion is a joke and a hypocrisy. It symbolizes a mass of people showing off their faith by dressing up and sitting in a building, instead of showing their faith through action.

I don't know if there is a god, but i doubt he would approve of mass religion. That is what my Sig line graphic means.

As for the pope, this is the biggest joke of them all. No man can speak directly to god. To claim it is egotism or insanity. Sorry if i offended any Catholics, but I think the catholic faith is the biggest joke of them all!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 12:14 AM
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14. Fair enough. I think being honest about religion is hard.
Ingrained traditions like Catholicism leave a lot of walking wounded in their wakes. And leadership in institutions as long enduring as the Catholic Church carry a lot of baggage as they try to retain some measure of worth to their current adherents. I know many "lapsed" Catholics. And, perhaps not so oddly enough, many of them send their children to Catholic schools. It's a little cultural puzzle.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:07 PM
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3. May the Blessed Virgin Mary and good St. Joseph pray for

His Holiness John Paul II during his present illness.

May the Lord God be with him always and welcome his soul to Heaven should he die.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on your servant, John Paul II.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen

O8)


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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:36 PM
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8. Good one.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:10 PM
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5. In your dying moments my you realize
the errors of your ways and repent.

That's my prayer. Although it will do little to repair the suffering he and the church have caused.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:16 PM
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6. After The Horrible Things He Said...
... about homosexuals. No... I'll not be sending any prayers or good wishes his way. (I'm "evil" remember?)
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:34 PM
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7. I can understand why you would not.
I made fun of him earlier this year.

But when I see a fellow human being struggling with the grim reaper, I can't help feeling pity and sorrow, no matter how much I disagree with him.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:41 PM
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10. you aren't evil
but I can understand your feelings about the Pope. Judgement of any kind is hurtful, but especially that which judges that which you are.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:39 PM
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9. "Beloved Lord, Almighty God
That's how our Healing Prayer begins. Since all are One, of course I pray for Pope John Paul II. May his body, heart, and soul be healed.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 12:02 AM
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13. I just cant wish someone well who is personally responsible for so much
death and destruction.

With a few words allowing the use of condoms, he could have prevented maybe more than a million deaths every year from AIDS, and more death from over population in 3rd world countries, where poor people strip the land of wood and starve to death.
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:08 PM
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16. He advised abstinence
If folk had followed those words, millions of lives would have been saved.

Why is the pope the only person in the world who gets blamed when people harm themselves and others by not following his advice?

One thinks of the way the Catholic Church gets blamed for women being maimed because of 'backstreet abortions', despite the fact that the Church never advised anyone to have one, and indeed would counsel strongly against it.

I advise you not to do X.

You do X anyway, contrary to my advice.

As a consequence of doing X, you get hurt or hurt someone else.

Therefore, it's my fault???

What perverse logic!
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:40 PM
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17. No, the perverse logic is
to deny the reality of human nature and to encourage the death and destruction of millions because of some perverted view of the world.

We now know abstinence programs don't work. Children who are taught that garbage and nothing else actually end up have more sex at an earlier age because it's unrealistic, higher pregnancy rates etc....

It isn't normal for humans to completely deny their sexual nature.
Talk about perverted logic.
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:53 PM
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18. Here's some research that says otherwise
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 11:00 PM by Stunster


# Virginity Pledge Programs. An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association by Dr. Michael Resnick and others entitled "Protecting Adolescents From Harm: Findings from the National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health" shows that "abstinence pledge" programs are dramatically effective in reducing sexual activity among teenagers in grades 7 through 12.19 Based on a large national sample of adolescents, the study concludes that "Adolescents who reported having taken a pledge to remain a virgin were at significantly lower risk of early age of sexual debut."20

In fact, the study found that participating in an abstinence program and taking a formal pledge of virginity were by far the most significant factors in a youth's delaying early sexual activity. The study compared students who had taken a formal pledge of virginity with students who had not taken a pledge but were otherwise identical in terms of race, income, school performance, degree of religiousness, and other social and demographic factors. Based on this analysis, the authors discovered that the level of sexual activity among students who had taken a formal pledge of virginity was one-fourth the level of that of their counterparts who had not taken a pledge. Overall, nearly 16 percent of girls and 10 percent of boys were found to have taken a virginity pledge.
# Not Me, Not Now. Not Me, Not Now is a community-wide abstinence intervention targeted to 9- to 14-year-olds in Monroe County, New York, which includes the city of Rochester. The Not Me, Not Now program devised a mass communications strategy to promote the abstinence message through paid TV and radio advertising, billboards, posters distributed in schools, educational materials for parents, an interactive Web site, and educational sessions in school and community settings. The program sought to communicate five themes: raising awareness of the problem of teen pregnancy, increasing an understanding of the negative consequences of teen pregnancy, developing resistance to peer pressure, promoting parent-child communication, and promoting abstinence among teens.

Not Me, Not Now was effective in reaching early teen listeners, with some 95 percent of the target audience within the county reporting that they had seen a Not Me, Not Now ad. During the intervention period, the program achieved a statistically significant positive shift in attitudes among pre-teens and early teens in the county. The sexual activity rate of 15-year-olds across the county (as reported in the Youth Risk Behavior Survey21 ) dropped by a statistically significant amount from 46.6 percent to 31.6 percent during the intervention period. Finally, the pregnancy rate for girls aged 15 through 17 in Monroe County fell by a statistically significant amount, from 63.4 pregnancies per 1,000 girls to 49.5 pregnancies per 1,000. The teen pregnancy rate fell more rapidly in Monroe County than in comparison counties and in upstate New York in general, and the difference in the rate of decrease was statistically significant.22
# Operation Keepsake. Operation Keepsake is an abstinence program for 12- and 13-year-old children in Cleveland, Ohio. Some 77 percent of the children in the program were black or Hispanic. An evaluation of the program in 2001, involving a sample of over 800 students, found that "Operation Keepsake had a clear and sustainable impact on...abstinence beliefs." The evaluation showed that the program reduced the rate of onset of sexual activity (loss of virginity) by roughly two-thirds relative to comparable students in control schools who did not participate in the program. In addition, the program reduced by about one-fifth the rate of current sexual activity among those with prior sexual experience.23

# Abstinence by Choice. Abstinence by Choice operates in 20 schools in the Little Rock area of Arkansas. The program targets 7th, 8th, and 9th grade students and reaches about 4,000 youths each year. A recent evaluation, involving a sample of nearly 1,000 students, shows that the program has been highly effective in changing the attitudes that are directly linked to early sexual activity. Moreover, the program reduced the sexual activity rates of girls by approximately 40 percent (from 10.2 percent to 5.9 percent) and the rate for boys by approximately 30 percent (from 22.8 percent to 15.8 percent) when compared with similar students who had not been exposed to the program. (The sexual activity rate of students in the program was compared with the rate of sexual activity among control students in the same grade in the same schools prior to the commencement of the program.)24

# Virginity Pledge Movement. A 2001 evaluation of the effectiveness of the virginity pledge movement using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health finds that virginity pledge programs are highly effective in helping adolescents to delay sexual activity. According to the authors of the study:

Adolescents who pledge, controlling for all of the usual characteristics of adolescents and their social contexts that are associated with the transition to sex, are much less likely than adolescents who do not pledge, to have intercourse. The delay effect is substantial and robust. Pledging delays intercourse for a long time.25

The study, based on a sample of more than 5,000 students, concludes that taking a virginity pledge reduces by one-third the probability that an adolescent will begin sexual activity compared with other adolescents of the same gender and age, after controlling for a host of other factors linked to sexual activity rates such as physical maturity, parental disapproval of sexual activity, school achievement, and race. When taking a virginity pledge is combined with strong parental disapproval of sexual activity, the probability of initiation of sexual activity is reduced by 75 percent or more.

# Teen Aid and Sex Respect. An evaluation of the Teen Aid and Sex Respect abstinence programs in three school districts in Utah showed that both programs were effective among the students who were at the greatest risk of initiating sexual activity. Approximately 7,000 high school and middle school students participated in the evaluation. To determine the effects of the programs, students in schools with the abstinence programs were compared with students in similar control schools within the same school district. Statistical adjustments were applied to further control for any initial differences between program participants and control students. The programs together were shown to reduce the rate of initiation of sexual activity among at-risk high school students by over a third when compared with a control group of similar students who were not exposed to the program.26 Statistically significant changes in behavior were not found among junior high students.

When high school and junior high school students were examined together, Sex Respect was shown to reduce the rate of initiation of sexual activity among at-risk students by 25 percent when compared with a control group of similar students who were not exposed to the program. Teen Aid was found to reduce the initiation of sex activity by some 17 percent. A third non-abstinence program, Values and Choices, which offered non-directive or value-free instruction in sex education and decision-making, was found to have no impact on sexual behavior.

# Family Accountability Communicating Teen Sexuality (FACTS). An evaluation performed for the national Title XX abstinence program examined the effectiveness of the Family Accountability Communicating Teen Sexuality abstinence program in reducing teen sexual activity. The evaluation assessed the FACTS program by comparing a sample of students who participated in the program with a group of comparable students in separate control schools who did not participate in the program. The experimental and control students together comprised a sample of 308 students. The evaluation found the FACTS program to be highly effective in delaying the onset of sexual activity. Students who participated in the program were 30 percent to 50 percent less likely to commence sexual activity than were those who did not participate.27

# Postponing Sexual Involvement (PSI). Postponing Sexual Involvement was an abstinence program developed by Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, and provided to low-income 8th grade students. A study published in Family Planning Perspectives, based on a sample of 536 low-income students, showed that the PSI program was effective in altering sexual behavior.28 A comparison of the program participants with a control population of comparable low-income minority students who did not participate showed that PSI reduced the rate of initiation of sexual activity during the 8th grade by some 60 percent for boys and over 95 percent for girls.29 As the study explained:

The program had a pronounced effect on the behavior of both boys and girls who had not been sexually involved before the program.... By the end of eighth grade, boys who had not had the program were more than three times as likely to have begun having sex as were boys who had the program.... Girls who had not had the program were as much as 15 times more likely to have begun having sex as were girls who had had the program.30

The effects of the program lasted into the next school year even though no additional sessions were provided. By the end of the 9th grade, boys and girls who had participated in PSI were still some 35 percent less likely to have commenced sexual activity than were those who had not participated in the abstinence program.31

# Project Taking Charge. Project Taking Charge is a six-week abstinence curriculum delivered in home economics classes during the school year. It was designed for use in low-income communities with high rates of teen pregnancy. The curriculum contains these elements: self-development; basic information about sexual biology (anatomy, physiology, and pregnancy); vocational goal-setting; family communication; and values instruction on the importance of delaying sexual activity until marriage. The effect of the program has been evaluated in two sites: Wilmington, Delaware, and West Point, Mississippi. The evaluation was based on a small sample of 91 adolescents. Control and experimental groups were created by randomly assigning classrooms to either receive or not receive the program. The students were assessed immediately before and after the program and through a six-month follow-up.

In the six-month follow-up, Project Taking Charge was shown to have had a statistically significant effect in increasing adolescents' knowledge of the problems associated with teen pregnancy, the problems of sexually transmitted diseases, and reproductive biology. The program was also shown to reduce the rate of onset of sexual activity by 50 percent relative to the students in the control group, although the authors urge caution in the interpretation of these numbers due to the small size of the evaluation sample.32

# Teen Aid Family Life Education Project. The Teen Aid Family Life Education Project is a widely used abstinence education program for high school and junior high students. An evaluation of the effectiveness of Teen Aid, involving a sample of over 1,300 students, was performed in 21 schools in California, Idaho, Oregon, Mississippi, Utah, and Washington. The Teen Aid program was shown to have a statistically significant effect in reducing the rate of initiation of sexual activity (loss of virginity) among high-risk high school students, compared with similar students in control schools. Among at-risk high school students who participated in the program, the rate of initiation of sexual activity was cut by more than one-fourth, from 37 percent to 27 percent. A similar pattern of reduction was found among at-risk junior high school students, but the effects did not achieve statistical significance. The program did not have statistically significant effects among lower-risk students.33

REFERENCES
19. Michael Resnick, M.D., et al., "Protecting Adolescents from Harm: Findings from the National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health," Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 278 (September 10, 1997). The effects of a virginity pledge in reducing sexual activity were statistically significant at the 99.9 percent confidence level.

20. Ibid., p. 830.

21. L. Kahn et al., "Youth Risk Behavior Survey--United States 1997," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, Vol. 47 (SS-3), 1998, pp. 1-89.

22. Andrew S. Doniger, "Impact Evaluation of the 'Not Me, Not Now' Abstinence-Oriented, Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention Communications Program, Monroe County, New York," Journal of Health Communications, Vol. 6 (2001), pp. 45-60. Both the shifts in attitudes and the decline in sexual activity rate over the intervention period were statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level. The difference in the rate of decline in adolescent pregnancy in Monroe County, when compared to other geographic areas, was statistically significant at the 95 percent to 99 percent confidence levels.

23. Elaine Borawski et al., Evaluation of the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Programs Funded through the Wellness Block Grant (1999-2000), Center for Health Promotion Research, Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Case Western Reserve University, School of Medicine, March 23, 2001. The program effects on sexual activity were significant at the 93 percent confidence level.

24. Stan E. Weed, Title V Abstinence Education Programs: Phase I Interim Evaluation Report to Arkansas Department of Health, Institute for Research and Evaluation, October 15, 2001. The effects of the program in reducing the onset of sexual activity were statistically significant at the 98 percent confidence level. (Data on statistical significance are not currently included in the written report but were provided separately to the author by the evaluator, Dr. Stan Weed.)

25. Peter S. Bearman and Hanna Bruckner, "Promising the Future: Virginity Pledges and First Intercourse," American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 106, No. 4 (January 2001), pp. 861, 862. The effects of a virginity pledge were shown to be statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level.

26. Stan E. Weed, Predicting and Changing Teen Sexual Activity Rates: A Comparison of Three Title XX Programs, report submitted to the Office of Adolescent Pregnancy Programs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, December 1992. The effects the programs on at-risk high school students were significant at the 99 percent confidence level.

27. Stan E. Weed, FACTS Project: Year End Evaluation Report, 1993-1994, prepared for the Office of Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention Programs.

28. Marion Howard and Judith Blarney McCabe, "Helping Teenagers Postpone Sexual Involvement," Family Planning Perspectives, January/February 1990, pp. 21-26.

29. These effects were statistically significant at the 99 percent confidence level.

30. Howard and McCabe, "Helping Teenagers Postpone Sexual Involvement," p. 24.

31. These effects were statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level.

32. Stephen R. Jorgensen, Vicki Potts, and Brian Camp, "Project Taking Charge: Six-Month Follow-Up of a Pregnancy Prevention Program for Early Adolescents," Family Relations, October 1993, pp. 401-406. The effects of the program in reducing the rate of onset of sexual activity were statistically significant at the 94.9 percent confidence level. The effects of the program on specific areas of knowledge were significant at the 95 percent confidence level and above.

33. Stan E. Weed, Jerry Prigmore, and Raja Tanas, The Teen Aid Family Life Education Project: Fifth Year Evaluation Report, Institute for Research and Evaluation, 1992. The effect of the program on the sexual activity of high-risk high school students was statistically significant at the 99 percent confidence level.


Oh, and btw, the Texas study you refer to didn't even have a control group.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:25 PM
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19. Where'd you get that? the Heritage foundation? the Discovery Institute?
some other religious fake science propaganda organization?

Nevermind, I dont care.
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:45 PM
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20. Suit yourself
But the references are listed.

Of course, if something is fake just because you don't agree with it, and if you don't care what the evidence says, then there isn't much point in talking to you.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:14 AM
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21. Not hardly. If something is posted on a right wing propaganda website
I don't put much faith in it because they pervert science to say whatever they need to support their political views. They set up official looking websites in an attempt to give respectability, pimp their degree's and take on some name like "The Discovery Institute" for the same reason however it's nothing more than lies and propaganda.

You go right ahead and read that garbage till you turn blue if you want, that's your business.

What's to discuss, what the lies are? How well they can lie?
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:02 AM
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24. Rightwing propaganda outlets?
REFERENCES
19. Michael Resnick, M.D., et al., "Protecting Adolescents from Harm: Findings from the National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health," Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 278 (September 10, 1997). The effects of a virginity pledge in reducing sexual activity were statistically significant at the 99.9 percent confidence level.

20. Ibid., p. 830.

21. L. Kahn et al., "Youth Risk Behavior Survey--United States 1997," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, Vol. 47 (SS-3), 1998, pp. 1-89.

22. Andrew S. Doniger, "Impact Evaluation of the 'Not Me, Not Now' Abstinence-Oriented, Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention Communications Program, Monroe County, New York," Journal of Health Communications, Vol. 6 (2001), pp. 45-60. Both the shifts in attitudes and the decline in sexual activity rate over the intervention period were statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level. The difference in the rate of decline in adolescent pregnancy in Monroe County, when compared to other geographic areas, was statistically significant at the 95 percent to 99 percent confidence levels.

23. Elaine Borawski et al., Evaluation of the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Programs Funded through the Wellness Block Grant (1999-2000), Center for Health Promotion Research, Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Case Western Reserve University, School of Medicine, March 23, 2001. The program effects on sexual activity were significant at the 93 percent confidence level.

24. Stan E. Weed, Title V Abstinence Education Programs: Phase I Interim Evaluation Report to Arkansas Department of Health, Institute for Research and Evaluation, October 15, 2001. The effects of the program in reducing the onset of sexual activity were statistically significant at the 98 percent confidence level. (Data on statistical significance are not currently included in the written report but were provided separately to the author by the evaluator, Dr. Stan Weed.)

25. Peter S. Bearman and Hanna Bruckner, "Promising the Future: Virginity Pledges and First Intercourse," American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 106, No. 4 (January 2001), pp. 861, 862. The effects of a virginity pledge were shown to be statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level.

26. Stan E. Weed, Predicting and Changing Teen Sexual Activity Rates: A Comparison of Three Title XX Programs, report submitted to the Office of Adolescent Pregnancy Programs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, December 1992. The effects the programs on at-risk high school students were significant at the 99 percent confidence level.

27. Stan E. Weed, FACTS Project: Year End Evaluation Report, 1993-1994, prepared for the Office of Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention Programs.

28. Marion Howard and Judith Blarney McCabe, "Helping Teenagers Postpone Sexual Involvement," Family Planning Perspectives, January/February 1990, pp. 21-26.

29. These effects were statistically significant at the 99 percent confidence level.

30. Howard and McCabe, "Helping Teenagers Postpone Sexual Involvement," p. 24.

31. These effects were statistically significant at the 95 percent confidence level.

32. Stephen R. Jorgensen, Vicki Potts, and Brian Camp, "Project Taking Charge: Six-Month Follow-Up of a Pregnancy Prevention Program for Early Adolescents," Family Relations, October 1993, pp. 401-406. The effects of the program in reducing the rate of onset of sexual activity were statistically significant at the 94.9 percent confidence level. The effects of the program on specific areas of knowledge were significant at the 95 percent confidence level and above.

33. Stan E. Weed, Jerry Prigmore, and Raja Tanas, The Teen Aid Family Life Education Project: Fifth Year Evaluation Report, Institute for Research and Evaluation, 1992. The effect of the program on the sexual activity of high-risk high school students was statistically significant at the 99 percent confidence level.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:19 PM
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25. Yes, the Heritage Foundation is a rightwing
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 03:20 PM by moobu2
Nazi type propaganda tool. So they list a few legitimate sources on this article, the purpose is to give this piece of trash article some credibility.

The Nazi's use the same tactics in the 1930's and had scientists conduct fake studies on marriage, sex, culture and race etc...nothing new about that tactic at all.

The first thing the Nazi's did when they came to power is pass marriage and moral laws and make condoms and abortion serious crimes, sound familiar?
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:23 PM
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26. Have you read the studies cited? (n/t)
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:37 PM
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27. From your reference number 19
"RESULTS: Parent-family connectedness and perceived school connectedness were protective against every health risk behavior measure except history of pregnancy." JAMA abstract (emphasis mine) I am sure you know how babies are made, so seems abstinence is not all it is cracked up to be! Seems the right-wing sites don't read the WHOLE study.
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Stunster Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 07:31 PM
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30. So?
The same abstract talks about age of sexual debut. Care to cite what it says?

I can think of various reasons why pregnancy rates are not affected by parental and school connectedness, none of which say anything about the efficacy or otherwise of abstinence advocacy. One rather obvious one is to do with the fact, demonstrated by this study, that where such connectedness is stronger, age of sexual debut is later. And hey, guess what---the older teen females get, the more likely they are to become pregnant. Big deal!

And here's more evidence:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0015.html
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:20 AM
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22. As A Matter Of Fact...
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:39 AM
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23. Thanks, I figured it was n/t
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. Interestingly enough
This seems to be the mantra on many Reich-wing sites: Despite claims to the contrary, there are 10 scientific evaluations showing that real abstinence programs can be highly effective in reducing early sexual activity. However, further investigation shows that ONLY four have been peer-reviewed, and those four...well, I just can't find the peer reviews. If I cared more, I am sure I could, but the simple, logical fact is: abstinence-only programs do NOT work well and are NOT effective as sexual education! I just love when the "science-haters" use science to back up their claims, yet fail to read the ENTIRE thing; thus they end up giving ammunition to their opponents. Guess it makes our jobs that much easier!! :)
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 04:53 PM
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29. Please limit quotes...................
to only four (4) paragraphs.
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