Jesus was real, but not divine, he had a family, and they've found their tomb.

[originalpckelly]

Do I have this right?

Does this mean that Christianity is a complete sham, at least from the sense of divinity?

Isn't he not supposed to have a family and now supposed to be in Heaven?

[mike_c]

1. cool....

:popcorn:

[sweetheart]

2. maybe being real is divine. nt

[shadowknows69]

9. Best. reply. ever

You just wrapped up the true meaning of divinity in one easy phrase sweet. Good on ya. I think, therefore I am. To thine own self be true. etc etc. etc.

[helderheid]

11. absolutely

Jesus was a way cool dude.

[junkiebrewster]

38. Jesus WAS way cool

Jesus Was Way Cool

by: King Missile


Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines

He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool

If you were blind or lame
You just went to Jesus
And he would put his hands on you
And you would be healed
That's so cool

He could've played guitar better than Hendrix
He could've told the future
He could've baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could've scored more goals than Wayne Gretzky
He could've danced better than Barishnikov
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of
Jesus was way cool

He told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool
Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead
He rose from the dead, danced around
Then went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool

No wonder there are so many Christians

[Shine]

29. Well said. I agree 100%.

:hi:

[otherlander]

60. Exactly!

"You are the golden eternity because there is no me and no you, only one golden eternity."

"If we were not all the golden eternity we wouldnt be here. Because we are here we can't help being pure. To tell man to be pure on account of the punishing angel that punishes the bad and the rewarding angel that rewards the good would be like telling the water "Be Wet""

http://www.openmindcenter.com/golden.htm

[Maat]

65. That's what we believe in my faith ..

Religious Science ... seriously. That's www.rsintl.org - no, not Scientology or Christian Science.

We believe that all are equally DIVINE (part of God/Goddess/Spirit/Allah - on unique paths).

I'm proud of it - :hi:

[varkam]

66. Oh I wish I could Rec individual posts.

Because I loved that one. :yourock:

[originalpckelly]

3. Here's a link to a story about this:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/185534

[Bucky]

61. Thanks for the link PC Kelly! Now I know for certain this theory is balderdash.

Sorry, but part of the evidence, according to this article, is that Latin nicknames were carved onto this collection of burial ossuaries. There certainly were some Hellenized Jews in Jerusalem at that time who spoke and used Latin. Jesus and his mother were not among such Jews. Jesus was a pharisee and would have spoken only Aramaic and Hebrew--his family wouldn't have buried him with Greek-bearing ossuary, and certainly not one with Latin text!

This story, while charming, is bogus.

[shadowknows69]

4. And I'm very scared for one of my favorite directors right now

Remind everyone that you're buddies with the Governator Jim and you should be ok.

[hippiechick]

5. MSNBC link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17336043 /


I hope to hear the sound of Fundie heads imploding across the land today.

Oh, and if Jesus had a family, isn't it only right then that PRIESTS can have families too?


:shrug:

[librechik]

6. Why think about that? When I have this lovely parcel of Florida swampland for sale

very reasonably priced--and I bet it has a few bodies buried on it too!

[MannyGoldstein]

HE'S DEAD???

I just saw him at the bodega the other day!

[shadowknows69]

12. I had a guy in my taxi saturday night who looked like Jesus

and he had some heavenly shit on him to smoke too.

[dogday]

36. And then he blessed your cab

and left some stash in the back... that is Jesus alright....

[shadowknows69]

41. Amen and hallelujah.

Smoke of this in rememberence of me.

[Vinnie From Indy]

18. LOL!

eom

[The Straight Story]

7. Yeah, all those early disciples were tortured/died knowingly for a lie

They figured 'What the hell, Jesus is off with that hot groupee Mary so why don't we wander about preaching for him and die'?

First, people were saying Jesus never existed. Now they are saying he did because it also helps the cause.

Some things just make no sense....

[trotsky]

13. Every religion has its martyrs.

That doesn't make each of them true, does it?

[The Straight Story]

39. No, but these were people who knew him and if he were a fake

they would have rescinded their views instead of being tortured and dying - like leaders of other faiths who let others die while they hide.

It doesn't make sense in that they pretty much seemed to believe it, and they had nothing to gain in it all (except their own imprisonment and death). They died for something they truly believed, most of them were there at the time, and would be in a better position to know what went on.

[trotsky]

42. People knew Joseph Smith, too.

Yet they didn't rescind their views after he was killed.

Christianity is hardly unique in having martyrs.

[Imperialism Inc.]

51. You have some sort of evidence to prove that the Martyr stories

are factual and not just myths themselves? After all the Bible and Josephus differ on the death of John the Baptist (as do the Gospel accounts themselves), so the Bible's reliability in such matters is surely suspect. The Bible itself has 2 contradictory accounts of Judas' death. On what basis do you claim the martyr deaths as historical? The (contradictory) Bible itself?

That aside, what if the Martyrs thought what they believed was true but it wasn't? I mean, after all, the Muslim suicide bombers on 9/11 died for their beliefs. That doesn't make their beliefs true.

[thereismore]

8. it's an intriguing story, just doesn't jive:

Why would Jesus' family, who were from Nazareth, have a big tomb in Jerusalem where they visited once a year for passover? Why did they bury Jesus in a rich man's tomb right after crucifixion if he had a family tomb in the city? Let's not jump into conclusions.

[Marrah_G]

27. I think the story goes that a rich man offered to bury him.

I'm at work, so I'll take the time to look it up when I get home. It makes sense that his wife and mother would stick around after his death.

[ChickMagic]

43. Joseph of Aramathea

paid for his tomb. Or so I hear.

[Bucky]

62. Yes, he buried the grail in the Tomb of Aaaaaaah

note the rabbit

[ChickMagic]

63. You owe me a keyboard!

:rofl:

[trotsky]

64. No, it's more of an Arrrrrrrrh. Back of the throat.

And yes, that rabbit's dynamite!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Just what is the likelihood

that a 1st century Judean peasant executed by the Romans is going to end up being buried in a tomb?

I'd say just about zero.

[Solon]

50. I thought Joseph of Arimathea took care of that...

He was a man of means, and supposedly related to Mary Magdalene, it wouldn't be considered far out that, after Jesus passed, that Joseph of Arimathea would have taken care of his remaining family, mother, father, brothers and sisters, in addition to, if the rumors are true, wife and kids.

In addition to this, while Jesus himself may have taken a vow of poverty, there is no evidence to suggest his father took the same vow. His father was a tradesman of some sort, according to many historians, either a mason or a carpenter, and Jesus was supposedly his apprentice, as was tradition at the time. Jesus' family of the time was probably the closest to "middle class" that you could come in the Roman province of Judea.

A combination of these factors would suggest that it isn't a stretch to assume that Jesus, if he existed at the time, whether just a mortal man and prophet, or as a true Messiah, would be interred in a tomb.

[leftofthedial]

14. more proof that science hates Jeebiz

and has ever since the world was created 6000 years ago.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. It means Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell will claim it is the 2nd coming

He's here!!! Hallelujah! God said we'd see Christ again, and look! He's here! Get ready for the Rapture... :nuke:

The Fundies aren't going to fight this, IMO. They're going to claim, as only they can in their twisted ways, that "this" is "proof!" of God and that Jesus Our Savior existed as so many have denied. Repent! Repent!

[evlbstrd]

16. This is an interesting quote from the story:

"It's a beautiful story but without any proof whatsoever," Bar Ilan University professor Amos Kloner, who researched the tomb for the Israeli periodical Atiqot in 1996, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur on Friday.

He's attempting to debunk the find, but could be talking about the New Testament itself.

[fishwax]

32. good point. both are matters of faith and desire more than

"proof"

He's attempting to debunk the find, but could be talking about the New Testament itself.

[hedgehog]

17. “Important people were buried here.”

Doesn't sound like the burial site of a carpenter's son from a backwater town just executed as an enemy of the Emperor.

[WinkyDink]

19. It would then put Christianity on a par with every OTHER faith/sham.

[UnyieldingHierophant]

20. I'm glad you got that all figured out...keep us posted.

:yoiks:

[kestrel91316]

21. Liberal Christians tend not to be too hung up on that LITERAL EMBODIMENT

OF GOD thing..................

We are ALL the embodiment of God's will, is how some see it.

Works for me. Jesus was a very very wise teacher, someone we should seek to emulate. Do I believe in that virgin birth crap? NO.

[Mandate My Ass]

22. there was a good documentary on A & E about Jesus

It was in no way sensational but religious scholars both Christian and Jewish agreed that at the time Jesus walked the earth, he would have had to have been married at the time he was preaching. Gospels show Joseph and Mary were observant Jews, taking JC to the temple when he was 12 etc. Marriage wasn't optional in their society. It was arranged by the parents during adolescence and it was a mandatory sacrament. In order to hold the title "rabbi," which he did, Jesus would have had to be a married man. Big whoop.

[kestrel91316]

31. I find it highly plausible that he WAS married, and his poor wife

got completely omitted from the bible by the time of Paul due to sexist attitudes.

[deutsey]

23. It wasn't decided that Jesus was divine until about 300 years after

the crucifixion.

There were a number of interpretations of what Jesus means/meant up until that point (some saw him as human, others divine). Now, while there are many denominations, most agree on the divinity of Jesus.

I see Jesus as fully human...as such, he uncovered something fully divine at the heart of that humanity. Just my two cents (or drachma).

[CJCRANE]

47. Some of those original Christians

were wiped out as heretics once the dogma became fixed.

(And there have been further massacres throughout history of non-orthodox christians).

[deutsey]

52. Hence, many people not even knowing about these "heresies"

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

24. perhaps people will now look at the message

and not spend so much time on the messenger. The teachings are wise and timeless, and found in many faiths. Perhaps this will mean people will shake dogma and realize the similarities of faith outweigh and are more important than the differences.

[Dorian Gray]

25. How can they possibly prove that this is

actually Jesus Christ, not a contemporary. And how does James Cameron find this tomb, but not the thousands of archeologists who have sifted through all the remains of that area?

I'm not trying to debunk; I'm actually way curious.

[CJCRANE]

44. It wasn't James Cameron it was Israeli construction workers

who found it.

[theHandpuppet]

49. I'd say the chances of that....

... considering one side actually has some physical evidence to debate, would be a lot easier to prove or disprove than Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to heaven in a cloud. I think the proof in the pudding should be on the other foot, shouldn't it? If you can find one, that is.

JC phone home...

[Marrah_G]

26. This will be squashed VERY quickly

The leaders of the Christian churches (catholics included) cannot allow such a thing to ever become mainstream fact. Finding a body would discredit the entire belief system. 100 bucks this story goes nowhere mainsteam.

I think it's pretty neat and I can't wait to read more about it. I am a fan of history and religious history so I find this fascinating. I also can understand how it could turn the whole world upside down. 100's of millions of people having their deepest life's beliefs shattered all at once can never be good.

[global1]

28. In Those Days - Was The Name Jesus - Common Or Was It Unique .....

like Oprah is today?

[karynnj]

30. His name was not Jesus

but the Hebrew equivilent of Joshua - so it was a common name.

[Ninja Jordan]

35. Yeshua was a common name.

[redqueen]

33. Was there only one guy named "Jesus" back then?

Anyway...

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2006/05/30/armstrong/

[Ninja Jordan]

34. Yes, a hollywood filmmaker and a 2nd rate journalist have single-handedly demolished Christianity

:eyes:

[no_to_war_economy]

37. jesus I hope... the entire belief system of the christians would be shattered

I would love that

:headbang:

[valerief]

40. People are dying in the Middle East and Africa now. Who cares about this JC nonsense. nt

[Nimrod2005]

45. Oh, thank you sweet Jesus!!!

I knew he must've always wanted to get laid...:rofl:

[cgrindley]

46. Who ever doubted it?

Christianity is not a sham. Excluding the supernatural stuff and everything by Paul, it's pretty decent philosophy.

Jesus was a real dude. He wasn't the son of god, because there aren't any gods, but he was certainly a person.

[CJCRANE]

48. Habeas Corpus.

This is a fantastic find. This is more than once-in-a-lifetime, this is once-in-a-millenium.

Christians should be grateful, can you imagine the joy (amongst their followers) if Moses or Mohammed or Buddha were found?

[Done]

53. Excitement over the discovery of Jesus’ burial site is premature

Excitement over the discovery of Jesus’ burial site is premature, Israeli archeologist Professor Amos Kloner said.

Kloner was referring to the hype surrounding a new documentary film, which has made the claim that coffins found in a Jerusalem cave nearly 30 years ago contain the remains of Jesus, Mary, Mary Magdalene, and other family members.

The internationally renowned archeologist, who revealed the findings of the dig 10 years ago, criticized the filmmakers' marketing strategy and warned against being over enthusiastic about the alleged discovery.


http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3369346,00.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. A friend of mine who resides in the South of France, has told me of a site where Mary supposedly

lived out her life. It's not too far from Marseilles. It was a cave and the site is still kept as a holy place by nuns there.

[shrike]

55. I thought he didn't exist

I get told this all the time on DU -- now I'm REALLY confused.

[dae]

56. lol...

how can that be?:)

[KittyWampus]

57. Jesus was a Yogi. Patanjali's Yoga Aphorisms clearly show that anyone can perfect themselves

if they are willing to put the time and effort into it.

As one reaches different stages of progress, certain powers are developed... and what Patanjali mentions are all in accordance with the miracles assigned to Jesus.

[Vinca]

58. This is going to be fun to watch. nt

[lovuian]

59. Isn't James Cameron a 33 degree Freemason?

Thought I read that somewhere

My take is we don't know which Yeshua was buried and his family? but that they found their graves

Is it Yeshua of the New testament? I don't know and I don't think Cameron does
Just that he found graves of a family of Yeshua

I'm not interested in the graves but interested in Yeshua's message and thats been even corrupted over the centuries

I do believe Jesus had a family wife and children and it wasn't in the interest of the church for him to have them

Peter was married and had children as well as the other disciples ...

Cameron is quite a suspicious character cause he is a 33rd degree FreeMason
so it makes me wonder what agenda is Freemasonry on