Do you know of Jiddu Krishnamurti?

[Egalitarian]

I came across Krishnamurti in my early 20's in a personal quest for understanding/truth. My initial introduction to his thoughts was "Think on These Things", followed by "Education and the Significance of Life".

In total, I've probably read 20 of his published works, mostly within a few years of my exposure to him. I really haven't revisited him formally for a couple of years, but no one has changed my thinking nearly as much as he.

Any other fans of K?

Discussion?

[izzie]

1. Ask me later as I am always willing to do some reading.

Thanks.

[MatrixEscape]

2. Yes .

Even though his real life was a bit removed from his well-spoken philosophy and understanding, (especially when it cam to the formation of structures and foundations formed around his teachings)he had an "evil twin" so to speak. I say that tongue-in-cheek. That would be U.G. Krishnamurti! They grew up in the same town, and followed almost parallel paths on the road to understanding. U.G.'s conclusion, while seemingly nihilistic, is by far, the most profound for clearing way the impediments that seem like a real goal, but turn out to be mostly the barriers you want to enforce on your way to get, acquire, and attain something, i.e., oneupmanship disguised in so very many ways and very hard to see through as a diversion.

If you look U.G. up and read his much more potent and unsettling, (not for the faint of heart or those who do not want much stripped off in the quest for Truth) polar relationship to Jiddu's nature and approach. All his talks are free and without copyright, you can even take them for your own, if you want to ;)

I have never had an atomic bomb go off in my face at such a perfect time. The biggest let-down in my life was rather easy to absorb and reluctantly absorb, but then, that was after thirty-five years of diligent questing, inspection, and introspection.

The conclusions you draw from U.G., if you can grasp anything at all from them or be there anymore to be the grasper or holder-on to something, will melt the chains that bind one to self-imprisonment in abstraction and goal-seeking like no other work might.

Warning: Don't read U.G. if you are clinically depressed or addicted to the games of hope, attainment, progress, etc. in relation to discovering something transcendent about and beyond what you and your body are and have now.

However, if you have had one crisis arfter another or facing that last-straw life-changing set of unavoidable circustmances, then U.G. is a great way to toss it all into the fire and let it transmute for good.

[Egalitarian]

5. Guru hijacking?

Are you suggesting your guru is better than my guru?








:sarcasm:

I'll look into U. G.

[charlie]

6. I've laughed when I've read UG

He's a prickly little bastard. He doesn't just disapprove of Jiddhu, he says he's a pompous fraud. Often. And Matrix is right, anyone looking for new-agey comfort from the guy is going to get their world wrecked.

[Evoman]

9. That sounds cool...

Got any good links?

[charlie]

10. Just found out UG died a week and a half ago

http://ugkrishnamurti.net/ugkrishnamurti-net/Final_Remembering.htm

Looks like the abrasive little bugger went out as willfully hardheaded as he lived. Good on him.

[cosmik debris]

11. Thanks for that link

Here are my favorite quotes from that page: (naturally I cherry-picked the ones I agree with since that is the tradition for religious writings)

My interest is to point out to you that you can walk, and please throw away all those crutches. If you are really handicapped, I wouldn’t advise you to do any such thing. But you are made to feel by other people that you are handicapped so that they could sell you those crutches. Throw them away and you can walk.

God is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problem.

Going to the pub or the temple is exactly the same; it is quick fix.

Gurus play a social role, so do prostitutes.

All I can guarantee you is that as long as you are searching for happiness, you will remain unhappy.

That messy thing called ‘mind’ has created many destructive things. By far the most destructive of them all is God.

Atmospheric pollution is most harmless when compared to the spiritual and religious pollution that have plagued the world.

Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, where as culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is grotesque.

[Hieronymus]

3. Yes, I even saw him speak once at Ojai.

Now, I want to get out a couple of his books and tapes.

[Egalitarian]

4. I could be jealous

If I wasn't watching my thoughts so closely(heh).

[Egalitarian]

7. A short excerpt:

If parents love their children ...

Jiddu Krishnamurti

If parents love their children, they will not be nationalistic, they will not identify themselves with any country; for the worship of the State brings on war, which kills or maims their sons. If parents love their children, they will discover what is right relationship to property; for the possessive instinct has given property an enormous and false significance which is destroying the world. If parents love their children, they will not belong to any organized religion; for dogma and belief divide people into conflicting groups, creating antagonism between man and man. If parents love their children, they will do away with envy and strife, and will set about altering fundamentally the structure of present-day society.

As long as we want our children to be powerful, to have bigger and better positions, to become more and more successful, there is no love in our hearts; for the worship of success encourages conflict and misery. To love one’s children is to be in complete communion with them; it is to see that they have the kind of education that will help them to be sensitive, intelligent and integrated.

Education and the Significance of Life, Chapter 6

[soothsayer]

8. Yup, back in the eighties! I also really like Osho, too. Back then

I also really loved Illusions of a Reluctant Messiah (Richard Bach of Jonathan Livingston Seagull fame), and even Harry Browne's "How I found Freedom in an Unfree World."