All Atheists are stupid, money grubbing cowards and make me want to puke.

[Perky]

I am kidding of course. I do not believe on iota of the subject line.

Having said that

All Christian do not believe in the Creation 6,000 years ago and still believe in God.
All Christian are not narrowly and hypocritically pro-life and are tolerant of those who believe differently
All Christians are not not stupid or petty or hypocrites or homophobic or intolerant.

Some of us are liberal to the core and we do our best to lead quiet, reverent lives without pushing our religion down anyone's throat. MANY OF us are very concerned about Global warming, race relations, civil rights for all people, poverty, affordable housing and a whole slew of an addition liberal issues. There is a an increasing amount of information out there that the pharisees are losing their hold on evangelicals and we are fighting that fight on a daily basis

Our motivations may not be to your liking, but that faith does motivate our progressive agenda. We are entitled to hold what we believe just as you are. We don't throw verbal feces at you, would you please ease up on the equating of Christians and Evangelical with Fundamentalists or theocrats?

Have a Blessed Day.


I have never once seen a post by an evangelical on DU slamming the Atheist point of view as stupid or narrow-minded

C

[Bluebear]

1. Could you at least spell atheist right if you're going to flambait? Thanks. nt

[Bluebear]

2. Thank you very much, now on with your thread. LOL

[Perky]

3. Yes. Sorry for the slight.

[seabeyond]

4. agree. and living in panhandle of texas with so many christian right

i, a christian, stand up to my fellow christian at every opportunity, or create my opportunity feeling a responsibility as a christian to challenge fellow christians that hate in the name of the lord.

i can understand the anger against christians. i am angry at a sect of christians. they did a number on my boys around 2004. a greater lesson for my kids though and we pulled out the higher in it. still understanding the anger and standing up to fellow christians, the MAJORITY of christian is not the fundamentalist old testament christian.

[fasttense]

5. Good for you

Wasn't there a Jewish liberal carpenter who said something about loving your neighbor? I guess the hateful, hypocritically Christians haven't heard of him.

[Perky]

8. Oh they have it just does not fit there social agenda.

See the call of Christ is to lead humble quiet lives empowewerd by God. SO much of what the fundies believe rails against it.. They seek relvance and political power as a means of impacting culture....Look how infreuently they quote Jesus.

[Ian David]

6. The Unitarians, Quakers and United Church of Christ are pretty cool. n/t

[AlinPA]

7. You hit on the key points that need to be overcome: hypocrisy, 6000yr story,

homophobia, intolerance and stupidity. People with those attributes control our country now.

[Perky]

9. I think they make a lot of noise but I don't think they control the country.

They have no candidate for 2008 and their leadership are either shown to be buffons or embroiled in scandal.

IF THEY WERE SO POWERFUL. dOBSON WOULD BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND LEADING ALL REPUBLICAN POLLS.

[AlinPA]

35. They don't control Bush**? They put him in office.

[hlthe2b]

10. I'm concerned that you feel the need to post this...

:shrug: There may be a tiny minority that does not realize the difference between Christianity and what the RW fundamentalist movement exploits as "christianity," just as there may be a tiny minority that has very perverse views of atheism.

To me, at least, this post does seem at a minimum, unnecessary.... :shrug:

[qwlauren35]

28. But the problem is that that "tiny minority"

Can be horribly, ridiculously LOUD.

Being progressive shouldn't have to mean anti-Christian, but sometimes one would get that feeling here.

Even worse, being pro-life/anti-abortion/whatever_you_want_to_call_it_because_you_know_what_I mean_on_this_board brings out so much HATE that it becomes deafening.

Maybe its only from a few people. But a few people with sledge-hammers can do a lot of damage. Timothy McVeigh was only one person. Sam Berkowitz was only one person.

Yes, I just got VERY extreme. But I think there's a tendency to allow the extreme Haters to have their say, just because they fit the "progressive profile".

Being progressive shouldn't be a license to hate, disrespect, censure or PERSECUTE others with differing views. However, it happens on this board way too often. Disagreement is reasonable; the rest is not.

[hlthe2b]

39. I suppose.....

I would really like to think we could work together on making those clear distinctions with the wider public and the media....:shrug:

[Jonathan50]

11. I (heart) Richard Dawkins

And I don't hate Christians, Muslims or any other faith.

I am intolerant of intolerance though.

The problem in the US is that the intolerant Christians are the ones who get all the press. They are committed, loud and in your face 24/7 and the MSM gives them far more exposure than their numbers warrant.

Whenever the MSM wishes to highlight the "religious viewpoint" they almost invariably run the same old gang, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson et al. I suppose it is because the MSM loves controversy and the usual suspects are good at generating controversy. My other theory is a little too dark for me to wish to share it here.

Anyway, take it from this atheist, not all atheists hate theists.

[iamahaingttta]

12. All Christians believe in fairy tales.

Sorry...

There are plenty of nice Christians here and out there.
Unfortunately, they are all enabling a mindset that allows for people to believe in things that just may not be true, and without any evidence whatsoever. Ultimately this leads to situations where some guy comes along claiming to be a "man of god" and fools the fools into believing... oh, say... that we HAVE TO attack another country because they pose an imminent threat to our way of life. There is no evidence that this is true, but, hey, GodBoy said so, so we must believe him.

The universe is a complex place, and it won't help our species to survive (which is questionable) by making up shit. We are stuck in the muck of religious fighting - my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick - and we will never reach the stars as long as that mindset is prevalent.

Sorry...

Some of us atheists have been watching the religious people, including the nice ones, for a long time now and you all just look silly to us. We are waiting for a time when we can all live on a planet guided by logic and reason, but it looks like it just ain't gonna happen. And it's because those of you who are nice allow the idiots to run rampant without calling them on it. YOU'VE got a lot of work to do to close your credibility gap, and you're not doing it.

Sorry...

[H2O Man]

13. This supports

the point made in the OP.

[alarimer]

15. It's The God Delusion, plain and simple

Religion is a fairy tale and we should not base anything on a fairy tale. But people have a right to believe in fairly tales if they want; I just refuse to let them shove it down my throat.

[Perky]

18. So in reposnse it is ok to shove athietic views down people's throats????

I am just saying that no one around DU is shoving christianity down anyone's throat and if there is value in symmetry the athiest view is pushed too hard.

[Jonathan50]

19. You have to realize that out in society in the US

The non religious, not all of whom are necessarily atheists, are constantly "having Christianity shoved down our throats". Christian don't really realize this, just as fish do not notice the water in which they swim.

A lot of us, me included, don't "come out of the closet" so to speak in real life because, depending on where you live, it can have real negative consequences for your life. Those consequences including but not limited to, loss of job, shunning by one's friends and vandalism of one's property.

It's really hard to take that sort of thing continuously and not vent somewhere.

Nobody seems to blame the gays when they come and vent their frustrations here on DU, yet atheists are even more despised in American society than are gays these days.

[toddaa]

25. So atheists should keep their opinions to themselves

Is that it? Christians can talk Jesus all day long, but when an atheist says that its all just a myth, suddenly we're the bad guys.

[Perky]

30. I am not saying that all cmon

I am simply saying that within the context of DU There is no athierst bashing and no evangelism (at least not that I have seen) So to unload here about Christians in general seems a little incorrect.

I here a lot of people saying the Christian Left ought to rise up and put down the right.. I agree completely but it is hard to fight a war on two fronts simultaneously. SOme folks want me to attack Christain bigotry as a Christian while sniping at our ankles by saying we are all loons. We could use support or benign neglect but derision is not helpful to either of the causes for which we othersiwse might fight side by side.

[toddaa]

34. Some folks?

Some people say, don't they?

[trotsky]

36. "No" atheist bashing, eh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4365017#4365080

Thankfully most of the rest has been deleted. But Perky, it is highly dishonest to say that there is NO atheist bashing and NO evangelism.

[rexcat]

49. You hit the nail squarely on the head...

If one disagrees with someone's religious believe system they are labeled intolerant, bigoted, etc. And hell no we don't have the right to express our opinions to christians because the majority of them can't take it and they end up getting very testy!

On the other hand if a christian is willing to share their beliefs with me, which they often do, I oblige them with mine.

[MistressOverdone]

41. You have a point there

but last week I saw a program on The Learning Channel that put forth the concept of 11 dimensions and the possibility of infinite numbers of parallel universes. (AND it said that this was becoming a very popular theory now that the string theory and M theory are in disfavor.) After I popped open my third beer that started making sense, and that is rather scary. And these folks are physicists...scientists! That concept is so out there it makes heaven, hell, Jesus, God and Satan positively small potatoes.

I guess my point is that science can surpass fairy tales, hands down.

[eridani]

47. When did you start thinking that religion was only about belief?

For plenty of people, it's more of a practice.

[Jonathan50]

16. I'm not sure that "without any evidence whatsoever" is true.

Certainly no objective, verifiable evidence but that doesn't mean *no* evidence.

People do have spiritual experiences, I had one myself many years ago whilst tripping out on some windowpane.

A spiritual experience is evidence, it just isn't evidence that can be objectively verified.

[Jonathan50]

17. I'm not sure that "without any evidence whatsoever" is true.

Certainly no objective, verifiable evidence but that doesn't mean *no* evidence.

People do have spiritual experiences, I had one myself many years ago whilst tripping out on some windowpane.

A spiritual experience is evidence, it just isn't evidence that can be objectively verified.

[maine_raptor]

24. "my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick"

Roh, Ro, now you've done it.

That's really gonna piss HER off!

:rofl:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

(and I agree with your thoughts :thumbsup:)

[MistressOverdone]

40. I really admire how certain you are of that fact.

You just come out and say it, "fairy tales." Personally, I'm not that sure of ANYTHING. I'll bet you get a lot accomplished in your life, too. There are times when ambiguity kind of slows me down, you know?

[Bill McBlueState]

42. but the poster doesn't *have* to be certain

We aren't certain whether there was a girl in the middle ages who was treated poorly by her step-mother, rescued by her fairy godmother, and got to ride in a magical pumpkin-coach. But the lack of evidence for fairy godmothers is so convincing that we call Cinderella a fairy tale.

Similarly, we don't have to be certain that there are no gods not to believe in any. We simply have to note the lack of evidence for them.

[MistressOverdone]

44. But to me a fairy tale is a story for children

so when he uses that as a metaphor, then I sense certainty. You might misinterpret me, I'm not "dissing" him. I'm truly admiring his surety. No snark. It seems to me the older I get the less sure I am of anything, except that I'm older.

[eridani]

46. I think the kind of religion you are talking about is an epiphenomenon

The crucial underlying human tendency is that of in-group bonding, as in "Hey! Lookame! I'm in with the in-crowd because I believe the same stupid things that everybody else does!" Traditional notions of God may serve this purpose, but in the old Soviet Union, the notion of Historical Necessity served as a perfectly good substitute.

Religion isn't just about belief anyway--for many it's more a matter of practice relating to ethics and spirituality. This goes for just about all Buddhists and Confucians, and quite a few Christians and Muslims as well.

[vi5]

14. You're right, now all you've got to do is vote the atheists out of office

You know, because there are so many of us in positions of power and influence in government that it must really be hard for you.

Clearly the creeping influence of atheism into public life and all those atheist legislators inserting insiduous atheist legislation and laws behind your back must be stopped.

And those same atheist senators, congresspeople, governers, and mayors should also stop telling you that we live in an Atheist country and that because Atheists are the majority they have more of a say than the Christians (who are clearly in the minority).


Oh wait. That's right. None of that is happening and none of it is true.

[trotsky]

23. *SNORT*

:thumbsup:

[toddaa]

20. I'm being repressed

"Bloody peasant."

Oh what a give away. Did you hear that? That's what it's all about.



COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM.

[endarkenment]

21. Let my know when theism isn't being shoved down my throat 'kay?

Then I'll consider your complaint.

[bryant69]

22. This should be in the religion forum

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Bill McBlueState]

43. and look, now it is!

There are a lot of threads in the religion forum containing posts you've made to this effect.

Maybe alerting the mods is sufficient.

[TechBear_Seattle]

26. All Christians are stupid, gullible theocratic cowards and make me want to puke

I am kidding of course. I do not believe on iota of the subject line.

But that "disclaimer" doesn't make the subject line any less hateful, does it?

[blondeatlast]

27. And posts like this advance our cause so well, yanno? (NOT.)

If you believe, believe. If you don't, don't. If you want to debate, please use the proper forum.

FWIW, atheists nad agnostics have a legitimate beef with society in general, IMHO--and I believe in that "fairy tale" to some extent.

[Jonathan50]

29. Ever notice how thoughtful, balanced and polite posts

Rarely get any replies?

[Perky]

31. Oh yeah

Which was sort of the point if the flaimbait subject.

[Perky]

32. Alas moved to the religion Forum where all post die without hope of resurrection

Have a good day.

[bryant69]

33. This is where it belongs - so people who get off on this discussion

can do it, without infecting GD with extended discussions that go nowhere and accomplish nothing.

Bryant

[cyborg_jim]

37. There are discussions on GD that go somewhere and accomplish something?

[toddaa]

38. Yes

The smoking threads all go somewhere and accomplish things.

[eridani]

45. It's all about the ETHICS! Why can't we just do ethics?

You may ground your ethics in some traditional faith, but if you'll look around you'll see them shared by people of completely different faiths, or no faith at all. I don't give a rat's posterior if you are against pre-emptive war because Jesus told you to turn the other cheek and blessed peacemakers, because the ancient Jewish prophets told you to beat your swords into plowshares, because the Prophet (PBUH) said that God does not like those who commit aggression, because the Wiccan rede advises you that you may do as you will as long as you don't harm others, because the Buddha told you to be compassionate, or because Confucius said that the superior man should never resort to war as the first method for resolving disputes. Or maybe nobody told you anything--you just think that deliberately causing a lot of human suffering sucks. If we all have gotten to that particular ethical place, why does it matter how we got here?

[NMMNG]

48. Oh boy

I see this thread has gone the way of every other thread of this type.

Just one question. When has any atheist on DU equated DU Christians with Fundamentalists or Theocrats? Links please. :shrug:

[rexcat]

50. You should not confuse people by asking them to...

support the comments in their posts with facts or make them prove there non-scientific theories (with emphasis on the non-scientific). That is just to logical, bad girl!

[Random_Australian]

51. No! Not all Christians are nutters?!? You know, in spending my

entire life living with them, like all the other atheists on this board, I never once figured that.

Your thought may be positive, but that did not stop them from bieng as condescending as anything.

And yes, I for one remember hearing that atheism was a mental illness.

Don't believe me? Linkie: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=64719&mesg_id=64933

Bah.

The idea that insults are one-sided is at best ignorant. And I can see you really, really want to make peace with the atheists, after all, as soon as you said atheists ought to do something, you of course added that you know their must be something that irritates them about the actions of the theists on the board, and in the spirit of inclusivity you asked if there was something you ought to be aware of. Not wanting to give inadvertant offense or anything. Ah, here it is:

"We don't throw verbal feces at you, would you please ease up on the equating of Christians and Evangelical with Fundamentalists or theocrats?"

Ah yes, now I read a little closer you actually say that atheists fling verbal feces. I must have misread.

:eyes:

[pecwae]

52. Locking

Please refrain from posting flamebait.

Thank you for your cooperation.

pecwae
DU Moderator