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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:50 PM Original message |
The God Who Wasn't There |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good call.... |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Osiris and Mithras... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Not to mention the myths of Dionysus and Osiris. |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. It isn't just that Jesus is coming to take them to heaven... |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Can't they get raptured up real fast |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. ........... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. It was a good movie. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
8. I have never seen the movie but |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Theos aner |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
11. That "hero scale" was devised by Lord Raglan in 1936 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Can anyone who's seen the film explain how Jesus gets a score of 19 on that? |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm pretty ignorant (haven't read the bible in long time) but let me give it a shot. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I disagree with quite a lot of that |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Bullshit! |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Some more points |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. 'of the davidic line' would apply to thousands of people |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Jesus fits Raglan's model because |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. St. Paul is the wrench in the Jesus didn't exist machine |
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stormymonday (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Agreed |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. But the myths come first and the history second |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
19. Does anyone contest this point of the film? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Yes, I contest that part |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Are all of the passages you referenced from Paul? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Anything is possible, but it's difficult to prove the |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Well I don't think I've had a debate yet with a theist |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Talk about arguments heard many times in this forum... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. And as I have mentioned in this forum, Joseph Smith didn't "die for his faith" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. What, qualifications now? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Well, in the case of the apostles and other early Christians, they WERE |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Were they? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Interesting definition of bigotry |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You believe your religion is superior, do you not? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You have indeed misunderstood me |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I think I took your statements to their logical conclusion. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Look, I know you're a strong atheist, so I'm not going to argue any |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That's unfortunate. |
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arKansasJHawk (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
79. Dying for faith |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. Damn good point - welcome to DU! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Another disagreement: 1 Corinthians 15 |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. Very good... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
21. Very good... |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Hi justice, I'm beginning to think atheists aren't welcome on DU. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Naw |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. I consider Jesus a "semi-mythical" figure. |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I think you probly nailed it (as close as we'll ever get anyway.) nm |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
45. Lydia, a question for you: I have acknowledged that Jesus |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Only if you will acknowledge that maybe Socrates didn't exist |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Sure, I'll acknowledge a possibility that Socrates |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Lemme see. . .. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Eye roll! |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Egg roll. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I found it odd... |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Your first paragraph is so turgid |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. By the way, |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Ah, a conspiracy buff |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Pfffff... LOL |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Talk about a general statement with no proof. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I've done plenty of reading on the subject |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If all you can do is repeat your own generalities, I see no point |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. As far as J.D. Crossan |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The two basics |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Thanks, I will check them out. n/t |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Difficult? |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Uhhm, |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. The biographies were not, "right under their noses" |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. You may have noticed I didn't use the word "Gospels." |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Irrelevant |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. So far, you're the only person to raise the possibility |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Meh |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. This is descending into recreational arguing. |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. "There's a kind of mini-industry surrounding the notion that Jesus never existed," Well... |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Not only that |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Each set of swindlers |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. No |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Well, this post of yours contains an obvious contradiction. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. May I ask you why you care so much? |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. So no, you won't aknowledge that Jesus may not be a son of God. |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Evoman that was a very sincere post of hers no need for laughing icons |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I found it funny. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Are you beginning to understand why few religious people post |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Yeah, that's it. Storm off in a self-righteous snit. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I rest my case |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. You actually have to have made a case to rest one. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Dude, you were asked a legitimate question. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. But it's atheists who are threatened in their weak beliefs... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Ha! |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Shoot yourself in the foot |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. You know, I really did appreciate your honesty and sincerity in your previous post. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. "ask a real scholar of ancient history" ...just to point out... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Lol...I just emailed a scholar.....I have a friend who is doing her Phd in religious studies. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You are mean and you |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. Not true, several other writers mention Socrates as well. |
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