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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:23 AM Original message |
Separation of Church and State: Perhaps the greatest idea the founding fathers had |
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curious one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. I am not a historian, but when I think about the reason that our founding fathers came here, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The Pilgrims came here for dominance, not freedom |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well, they were interested in their own freedom - but |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. We seem to have different ideas of freedom. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Cosmik |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. OK, I see now. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Don't blame you! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. That's a very popular myth that unfortunately has little basis in reality. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. The Founders merely adopted a very good idea more than a century old |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. And one more thing, |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. Wikipedia has a fairly good article on it. |
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HarveyBrooks (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
4. I just wish... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. He does. nt |
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HarveyBrooks (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Thank you... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Well, honestly - if you're going to make |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Obama is smart enough to satisfy most of our diverse groups that he'll keep it all glued together. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yup. Me too, Heidler. nt |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Hmm... |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. He has resolved that to my satisfaction |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm not saying that I personally have a big hairy problem with it, just that... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The thing is, from a non-profit perspective, from a community |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I'm not disagreeing that such groups do good work. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. From what I read on his plan |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The organizations that want to proselytize, and |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. But it's not new. The new part is that he's proposing actual |
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HarveyBrooks (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 05:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Um.....no |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No, it wouldn't - read all the posts above - |
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HarveyBrooks (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Look... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No they won't. |
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HarveyBrooks (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:24 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yes they will. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It isn't and never has been a violation of church and state |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. The Romans governed their empire by allowing indigenous people to continue their religious practices |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. So did the Persians |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
10. The main philosphy that influenced |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ironically, I'd credit Pope Leo III with the genesis of the idea, though |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. I see the foundation of this idea in America in the founding of Rhode Island |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think your wrong....the greatest idea the founding fathers had was |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Hey! we might look like Canada! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
30. Separation of church and state has alot to do with the Masonic roots of the founding fathers |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
40. I think they were also influenced by a lot of BAD ideas. |
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