The story of the last supper is an astronomical allegory

[moobu2]

foretelling the sun’s pending death at the winter solstice.

The last supper story in the Bible is derived from an ancient Pagan ritual celebrating the harvest, played out in an astrological allegory. Christianity is based on the sun worshiping cult of the Hebrews and the Bible stories are simply a collection of Astrological allegory. Jesus was the sun God personified and his birth, life and death marked the end of the age of Aries, the ram (2160 BCE-1BCE), and the beginning of the age of Pisces the fish (1 BCE-2160CE, that occurred around 2000 years ago. In the last supper astronomical allegory, Jesus (the sun) gathered his 12 disciples (the 12 signs of the Zodiac) to prepare for the Saviors (Sun) pending death (the winter solstice) AND Jesus's (sun's) rebirth 3 day’s later on December 25th (the time when the sun appears to start it's northerly track). In most sun worshiping cults, common at the time, the sun (God) was believed to have died on or about the 22nd of December, at the winter solstice, and was reborn 3 day’s later on December 25th, when the sun began it’s northern movement on the horizon and the day’s began to get longer and longer. In the last supper story, Jesus, the sun personified, told of pending betrayal by one of his disciples (one of the 12 signs of the zodiac). The betrayer was Judas who was personified by Scorpio (the Scorpion). When the sun (Jesus) was in the house of Scorpio (Judas), the scorpion betrayed Jesus (the sun) with a kiss (a sting). The sun (Jesus) died an agonizing death, was stabbed by the Sagittarius spear on the cross, was placed into a cave tomb, and was raised from the dead 3 day’s later. The last supper was the astronomical allegory foretelling astronomical events. In the Leonard Davinci painting "the last supper", you can see that the apostles are gathered in 4 sets of 3 figures each, with Jesus at the center. The 12 figures represent the 12 signs of the zodiac and them being gathered in 4 sets represent the 4 seasons, winter, spring, summer and fall. Jesus is the sun at the center. Davinci’s painting is an astrological allegory as well.



If you could imagine a circle, divided into 12 slices, representing the 12 signs, and you drew 2 lines through the circle which intersected in the center, you would have a cross and 4 sections (the 4 seasons). This sectioning of the circle to represent the 4 seasons is where the Christian cross symbol came from. Jesus never actually existed but was simply a symbol of the sun personified, the cross was a common symbol of various sun worshiping cults because it was simply a sectioning of a circle representing the 4 seasons, the last supper never actually occurred…it’s all astronomical allegory.





The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation is a collection of Pagan stories, set against astrological allegory. It’s the only way any of it makes any sense.

[cliffordu]

1. Great post!

unfortunately it'll send you straight to hell, I'll wager....

:rofl:

[moobu2]

2. lol

[grassfed]

3. Zeitgeist movie explores this

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[Sanity Claws]

4. But the last supper does not occur at the solstice

It's a sedar, which means Passover, the 15th day of Nisan in the Jewish calendar. (early spring)

[moobu2]

7. Well, we're talking about The New Testement here

The New and Old Testaments do not exactly square with each other. Both are astrological allegory, I'm sure of it, but just like the 4 gospels differ in the telling of the same stories about Jesus, The New Testament differs from the Old in many ways as well and is certainly NOT a fulfillment of prophecy or whatever. I used to know the answer to what you pointed out, but my memory fails me at the moment. If I can remember, I'll post it later.

[truedelphi]

9. We know that Jesus was crucified during the spring, because his

death occurred only one day after the Passover feast.

[moobu2]

11. First of all, Jesus wasnt an actuall living person

and the stories in the Bible never actually occurred.


The Biblical characters represent astrological signs of the zodiac and the stories are allegories of the movements of the sun, the moon and the constellations. These signs do not represent actual persons or even actual events, rather, these allegory's tell the stories of the movements of these constellations, the sun and the moon, therefore, the same astronomical signs can can represent different people and events. You're looking at this like the stars are telling the stories of the Bible when it is the complete opposite. These made up characters and events are telling the story of the stars.

[benld74]

5. Interesting post - I for one wouldn't like to be wrong on something like that,,,

[BadgerKid]

6. How about the order of the signing of the cross?

forehead = Summer = highest sun = God
abdomen = Winter = lowest sun = son = Jesus
left = Autumn = a symbol of things winding down
right = Spring = standard/Pagan symbol of renewal or rebirth

EDIT: I thought it significant to have all after God and finishing with Spring.

Great, thought provoking post!

[progressoid]

8. And the one in the green robe is Tom Hanks.

[unblock]

10. so easter, celebrating his jesus' resurrection, is celebrated in the spring because...?

i'm always amazed by any theory of the last supper that fails to take into account that it was a passover seder.

other than that, you make some interesting points.

[moobu2]

12. Events like the passover, the crusfiction, the resurection, the last supper etc...

were made up to represent astronomical events as they played out across the sky. The Biblical events never actually occurred. The vernal Equinox (Easter east-er) is the point when the sun rises due east in the spring and the time daylight and the darkness become nearly equal length. The resurrection story was made up to tell this astronomical event. The astronomical events were not made up to represent the Biblical events, that's why we have the confusing, often contradictory stories in the Bible, the Biblical events were made up to tell the story of the astronomical events.

[moobu2]

16. Also these allegory's like

the 12 labors of Hercules, which is another astrological allegory, usually contained virtuous qualities or lessons for bad behaviors, and the like, which the the society wanted to convey to it’s culture in general, but the characters and events are completely fictitious.

[On the Road]

13. Can You Provide Any Reason

why your interpretation should be preferred, or how the scriptures came to be written this way?

Since they were composed by virulent anti-polytheists, and much of it does tie to historical events, it seems unlikely.

[darkstar3]

17. And which parts tie to historical events?

Just curious, since I've heard that statement before, but I've never actually been shown the tie-ins.

[monmouth]

14. And again, Mary Magdeline, seated at the right hand of Jesus is ignored again!...Geez....n/t

[starroute]

15. Some other points

- At the winter solstice, the sun appears to remain at its lowest point in the sky for three days -- at least as far as can be told using ancient measuring devices (like Stonehenge). The word "solstice" actually means "sun-standing-still." It's only on the third day that it visibly can be seen to be "rising" again.

- It's quite true that Jesus is a solar deity. This is why his sacred day is Sunday. And though Christianity fiddled around with the days of its major holidays, in terms of the ancient myths which it follows, the nativity story belongs at the spring equinox (which is why there are shepherds out with their flocks) and the resurrection story at the winter solstice.

- At the start of the Age of Pisces, the precession of the equinoxes brought the yearly movement of the sun through the zodiac to a position where the solstices and equinoxes occurred in the constellations of Pisces, Gemini, Virgo, and Sagittarius. This was important because an equivalent alignment had been in place 5000 years earlier, when the astronomical myths were first established, but had been "broken" by the precession -- and its restoration was seen as heralding a return to the Golden Age.

All four of these constellations play a role in the Jesus-story. The two fishes of Pisces are on either side of the Great Square in Pegasus -- which had anciently been taken as an "arc" that the hero-to-be was set adrift in as an infant (see Moses, Perseus, and others). But as Pisces moved from being a winter constellation to a spring constellation, it passed north of the celestial equator -- and therefore moved from "ocean" to "land." As a result, the square arc turned into a manger and the fish into barn animals.

Gemini represents any of a number of traditional twin heroes, both having the same mother but one with a divine and one with a human father. Jesus, of course, was said to have both -- which forced the early Christian theologians to engage in no end of philosophical gymnastics to explain it. Virgo is the Virgin Mary and Sagittarius is the soldier whose spear pierces Jesus' side.

- The cross itself is an ancient astronomical symbol, used worldwide. It can represent any number of celestial crossing-points, but perhaps most often the intersection of the zodiac and the spring equinox. In ancient myths, references to sun-gods being sacrificed are "located" in one or another specific point of the zodiac, so a sacrifice by crucifixion would involve the sun at the spring equinox. That could be why the resurrection story had to be moved from winter to spring -- because Pisces, which had been the winter solstice constellation in 5000 BC, was now the spring equinox constellation -- and why the crucifix became the primary symbol of Christianity where it had only been one among many symbols in earlier religious.

Crucifixion itself had been a form of ritual sacrifice before the Romans turned it into a means of offing common criminals -- which is why it was appropriate for Christianity to reclaim its original religious significance.

- There's more, of course -- including the fact that Santa Claus is also a deity of the winter solstice, but one who is associated not with the sun (which dies and is reborn) but with the North Pole star, which never sets or changes its position in the sky and is therefore undying. (At least until the precession dethrones one pole star and brings another into position, thereby instituting a new world-age.) A Christmas tree with a star at the top is a symbol of the world axis and the pole star and has nothing at all to do with the Christian sun-god.

[moobu2]

18. Jesus begins his ministry

30 days after the winter solstice, The sun is in the house of Aquarius. When Jesus is 30 years old, he meets John the Baptist. Jesus is the sun personified and John the Baptist is Aquarius personified. John the Baptist baptizes Jesus, then John is arrested and disappears from the story. Aquarius descends below the horizon. Six months later, Aquarius ascends in the east, head first, and the Bible says John the Baptist was beheaded. Back to the story, the sun is now in the house of Pisces, the fishes. Jesus meets Simon and Peter the 2 fishermen on the sea of Galilee. Jesus is the sun personified and Simon and Peter are Pisces personified. Jesus say’s follow me, and the fishermen drop their nets and follow Jesus. Pisces descends below the horizon following the sun, Jesus. And that’s the way it is. The Bible is astrology and once understood as such, makes perfect sense.

In this early Christian painting we can see that Aquarius (John the baptist) is at Jesus's feet holding his jug of water just like Aquarius is most often depicted, and the 2 fishes of Pisces are there as well. Jesus is walking on water, which is symbolic of the Milky way. The other figures probably have some astrological meaning.

[Odin2005]

19. And Astrology is total BS.

[moobu2]

20. I don’t believe in astrology whatsoever

It’s just an ancient mythology that developed in most agrarian cultures and something that most if not all religions are based on. It predates the written word and began developing as humans settled down, started growing crops and forming stationary communities etc... The Mayans had a form of it, as did China, India and all across the Mediterranean and North Africa. They had no way to know that they lived on a planet or that the sun was this gigantic star or that the stars were billions of light years apart. Anyway, it is bullshit but very old bullshit.

[truedelphi]

33. Thank you for trying to have people see there is a difference between

Astronomical events and astrology.

Whereas an astologer might say that an eclipse with the moon and sun both in Leo portends such and such, based on the esoteric implications of applying the symbology of the moon, the sun, and the sign Leo, a primitive culture might instead make up a story about a monkey eating a parrot, based on their fears and inner psyche connections to the event.

After all, an eclipse is a real event, and was greeted by fear back in the day, and even in these modern times is viewed with a sense of awe, wonder and respect.

[rug]

21. Tom Hanks should star in this post.

[Goblinmonger]

43. Oh, come on

The last supper being an allegory for something is much less believable than it being a historical account of someone who didn't exist have a meal before their death and resurrection? Really? I would go with allegory 100% of the time. Maybe the OP has the wrong allegory, but the resurrection story is the one that is lacks verisimilitude.

[struggle4progress]

22. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2: Assizes-Browne

Herbermann, Charles George (1840-1916) 1907-1913 New Advent
ASTROLOGY UNDER CHRISTIANITY
... From the start the Christian Church strongly opposed the false teachings of astrology. The Fathers energetically demanded the expulsion of the Chaldeans ... Aguila Ponticus was expelled from the Christian communion about the year 120, on account of his astrological heresies. The early Christians of Rome, therefore, regarded the astrological as their bitterest and, unfortunately, their too powerful enemies ... The conversion of Constantine the Great put an end to the importance of this so-called science, which for five hundred years had ruled the public life of Rome. In 321 Constantine issued an edict threatening all Chaldeans, Magi, and their followers with death. Astrology now disappeared for centuries from the Christian parts of Western Europe ... http://www.ccel.org/ccel/herbermann/cathen02.html

[struggle4progress]

23. Early Christians hid the origins of the Bethlehem star

... Michael Molnar, formerly of Rutgers .., is the originator of the idea that the star of Bethlehem was not a spectacular astronomical event .. but an obscure astrological one. The event would nevertheless have been of great significance to ancient Roman astrologers. After studying the symbolism on Roman coins, he concluded that the "star" was in fact a double eclipse of Jupiter in a rare astrological conjunction that occurred in Aries on 20 March, 6 BC, and again on 17 April, 6 BC ... Now he says he has found it, in the Mathesis, a book written by Maternus in AD 334 ... "Maternus did not mention Jesus's name" ... According to Molnar, early Christians hated pagan beliefs and did not want to justify the Biblical story with astrological mumbo-jumbo. The idea that the stars govern our fate flew in the face of belief in a Christian God as the controlling force in the Universe. "Being a pagan who had converted to Christianity during his lifetime, Firmicus was torn," says Molnar. "Hence his use of astrology to support the Christian story, but in a veiled way" ... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1713-early-christians-hid-the-origins-of-the-bethlehem-star.html

[moobu2]

24. Here's a better explination

Orion has three stars that make it's waist. These three stars were the 3 kings, the magi, the 3 wise men etc.. and they point to Sirius, and appear to follow Sirius, which is the star of Bethlehem. Virgo is the Virgin Mary, Boots, Joseph etc.. The story took place in the constellations, not on earth.

[struggle4progress]

26. People interested in the sky back then saw more interesting things than Orion's belt:

In 7 BC, there were three conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces: May 29, September 30, and December 12
In 6 BC, the Moon paired with Jupiter and Mars with Saturn on 20 February; a bright nova appeared in March; the Moon occulted Jupiter on 17 April, then moved east until reaching its western-most position on 23 August, became briefly stationary, and then moved eastwards until becoming briefly stationary again on December 19
In 5 BC, a nova appeared in March
In 2 BC, there was a very near occultation of Jupiter and Venus on 17 June, the objects probably being indistinguishable

http://www.nyskies.org/articles/pazmino/sobnotes.htm
http://epistle.us/articles/star.html
http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/
http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/venus/occultation-of-venus/
http://www.astrosurf.com/comets/cometas/Star/Visibility_Star.htm

[moobu2]

27. Seems like there would be some consensus

in the Christian world, concerning the alleged greatest event to ever occur on earth. But, then again, the entire story may have been embellished in an attempt to conform more to Old Testament prophecy. Obviously, the story is based on myth because there’s no such things as real Gods, much less, a real God who was born to a virgin etc... story is preposterous. Most likely, the story was simply made up to coincide with the zodiac and to mark the beginning of the age of Pisces, the fishes.

[struggle4progress]

28. The star story is in Matthew 2, but the other three canonical gospels omit to mention it,

which shows that not all the early traditions considered it important

[moobu2]

25. Wikipedia said

this double Jupiter eclipse Michael Molnar talked about would have been very difficult to observe, even with a small telescope. Telescopes weren't invented for another 1,500 years.

[struggle4progress]

29. Which event are you discussing, from where are you purporting to observe it, and what

keeps it from being observable?

The Moon, and the planets known in antiquity, are easily seen without telescopes, when they can be seen

Observability of events typically depends on the viewing location and time of day

[moobu2]

31. It was said to be difficult to observe because of it’s proximity to the sun

Just something I read on Wikipedia. I cant vouch for it because I'm no expert. But, Michael Molnar never said that anyone actualy observed this event. He only said that Maternus said that those conditions were conducive to the birth of a "divine and immortal" person. Like you said, the ancients were very familiar with the planets, the Moon, the Sun etc.. Mars was called Mars, Venus, Venus etc.. If this event were to have been observed, I don't think they would have confused it with a star. The claim that they were hiding this event doesn't sound reasonable to me either.


"You will also find confirmation by a Roman astrologer, Firmicus Maternus, that the conditions of that day when Jupiter was in the east were those for the birth of a "divine and immortal" person." Link

[struggle4progress]

32. I'm no expert either. Wikipedia links to an email, that refers to a "series" of Jupiter-Moon events,

without being more specific; and the unobservability claim is somewhat vague; the associated email address is the Southeast Audiological Instutute, in Spain, which does not guarantee the poster's competence in astronomy

Searching, I found reference to four different Jupiter-Moon events in 6 BC, with two were absolutely unobservable, another being iffy, and the fourth perhaps being observable briefly if one was looking for it

The modern astronomical definitions are quite precise and do not really match the practice of ancient astronomers. It's quite plausible that someone looking regularly at the sky in antiquity might have certain expectations of celestial events, based on a sort of dead-reckoning (that was often but not always correct) and so might have anticipated some events that were barely observable because they occurred near the horizon and close to sunrise or sunset

[moobu2]

30. Here’s another example of a visual astrological allegory.

Astrological allegory's were common practice 100's even 1,000's of years ago. Some were written stories, some were carved in stone, others were artwork on vases and mosaics etc...

This wood cut printed astrological allegory tells the story of the conception of Orion c.1617. It's a visual story.

"The emblem represents an allegory of the conception of Orion as the "child of philosophy". The fathers are (left to right) Apollo, Vulcan and Mercury conceiving in a ox hide."




Here's another very old astrological allegory on a Creek vase - 5th century BC. It tells a story of the sun rising, being pulled across the sky on a horse drawn chariot. The other figures in the astrological allegory represent the star Sirius, which is depicted here as the dog, Orion and the Moon, which is represented here as the horse and rider.




These are visual astrological allegory, while The Bible is an example of a written version. They're everywhere in the ancient world.

[marginlized]

34. What about Venus, Lucifer's fall, etc.

This is only related in that it is astronomical, but ...

I've wondered if Lucifer's being "cast out of heaven" was some astronomical reference to Venus having an inferior orbit in relation to the other planets. What sort of explanation might an ancient give to account for it's "different" movement?


edited for spelling

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. Just to point out a few problems

an astronomical allegory foretelling the sun’s pending death at the winter solstice

There's not much 'foretelling' needed, is there? Any adult knows very well the days get shortest in the early winter, and get longer after that. You don't need to be literate to know that, or have any kind of myth - just basic observance of your surroundings.

The last supper story in the Bible is derived from an ancient Pagan ritual celebrating the harvest

(Northern hemisphere) harvest is around autumn - a time of year that has nothing to do with Easter, Passover, the winter solstice or anything else you mention.

Christianity is based on the sun worshiping cult of the Hebrews

Far from worshipping the sun, the Hebrews were against using real objects to represent their God, in quite a major way.

Jesus was the sun God personified and his birth, life and death marked the end of the age of Aries, the ram (2160 BCE-1BCE), and the beginning of the age of Pisces the fish (1 BCE-2160CE, that occurred around 2000 years ago. In the last supper astronomical allegory, Jesus (the sun) gathered his 12 disciples (the 12 signs of the Zodiac) to prepare for the Saviors (Sun) pending death (the winter solstice) AND Jesus's (sun's) rebirth 3 day’s later on December 25th (the time when the sun appears to start it's northerly track).

Again, you're at the wrong time of year. Passover and Easter are around the time of the vernal equinox, as you later admit. But you don't seem to have grasped that this makes your theory look ridiculous. And when does the sun 'gather' the signs of the zodiac? It doesn't. It visits them one by one. Your allegory is wrong.

When the sun (Jesus) was in the house of Scorpio (Judas)

If you define the constellation areas with the vernal equinox moving at around 1AD from Aries into Pisces, then the sun enters Scorpio 7 months after that, and leaves it one month later - nowhere near any soltice or equinox. Why are you bringing Scorpio into it? Are we now equating the vernal equinox, the winter solstice and the point midway between the atumnal equinox and the winter solstice? Is there any time of year you're not going to drag into this?

the scorpion betrayed Jesus (the sun) with a kiss (a sting)

Me, I kiss people with my mouth, not my tail or arse. You appear to have got hold of the wrong end of things here.

stabbed by the Sagittarius spear on the cross

'sagitta' is an arrow, not a spear.

The last supper was the astronomical allegory foretelling astronomical events.

You've mixed up several humdrum annual events that happen every year, and you call this 'foretelling'? Your divinatio standards are appallingly low.

In the Leonard Davinci painting

Oh, Len is the definer of Christianity, is he? Remind me of his dates, again.

If you could imagine a circle

OK. What's that got to do with a table in which they're all in a straight line?

a circle, divided into 12 slices, representing the 12 signs, and you drew 2 lines through the circle which intersected in the center, you would have a cross and 4 sections (the 4 seasons)

And if you drew 3 lines though the centre, you would have the points of a hexagon, which you can then join up to form a Star of David. OMG!!!! If you drew 6 lines, you'd have the hour marks on a clock! OMG!!!!!!!!!

Oh - if you divide it with 4 lines, then refer them to the zodiac, you'd get one point in the middle of Scorpio. Sure you wouldn't rather use that instead?

the cross was a common symbol of various sun worshiping cults

It was a common method of execution for the Romans.

It’s the only way any of it makes any sense.

:rofl:

[moobu2]

36. Go re-read the New Testament,

And keep in mind the early church fathers “played” with some of the Sun worshiping cult dates to coincide with other Pagan traditions in Europe and elsewhere. The Church chose which texts would be included in the Bible and which dates the various events would be celebrated and suppressed any questions there might have been at the time concerning the very similar nature of savior man/God in the Bible to the dozens of other Savior man/God cults in the area which were based on Astrology. There were many questions very early on about that too. Vast amounts of information, that would prove Christianity was based on astrology, was lost because the early Christians destroyed it. They saw that they were in danger of becoming just another Sun worshiping cult, like the dozens all around them that came and went, so they suppressed, burned, destroyed and killed thousands and thousands to hide it. It was in the Church’s interest to suppress contrary ideas because it was a threat to their power and extraordinary wealth. The Church kept December 25th as the birth day celebration of Jesus, but moved the death to the vernal equinox, because that time was widely celebrated by Pagans in fertility rites and so forth. It may have been a blending of various astrological cults as well. You have to use some common sense, read between the lines a bit, but if you can do that, it’s obvious beyond any doubt that Christianity is just another astrological cult.

HE HAS RISEN!!! THE SUN SON HAS RISEN!! lol it's so obvious.

As far as you attempting to ridicule this very real probability. I assume you are a Christian, and like most Christians you probably believe that God came down from heaven and impregnated a virgin who gave birth to God in human form, who went about his life walking on water and curing crippled/blind folk and raising the dead then committed suicide on the cross (because he could have prevented his own death allegedly) died, was sealed in a cave and came back to life 3 day’s later with no physical deterioration of his body.

That grown educated adults believe such silly fairytales is what's ridiculous.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. 'Sun'/'Son'?

OK, you've strung us all along. Now you've admitted it was all just a joke on your part. We fell for it. :blush:

No, I am an atheist, but I tend to think people's grand theories on how there are hidden meanings in the bible, whether supernatural or just "the real story behind X" are just as silly as the standard religious ones. I failed to spot your spoof.

[Meshuga]

45. I also wonder what is the basis for claiming that the Hebrews worshiped the sun?

Not that I say that was not possible but it would be interesting to know what kind of evidence is there to come to this conclusion. I would think Christianity (and even Judaism) may borrow festivals and other aspects of pagan religion in order to compete and keep it interesting for the people at the time.

[moobu2]

38. Why did Jesus at disappear at 12 years old and reappear at 30?

Hell if I know.

But I bet it as something to do with astrological symbolism. Jesus being 12 relates to the 12 signs and 30 represents the 30 degrees each sign is divided into. Why wasn't Jesus 11 or 13 when he disappeared? Why wasn't he 29 or 31 when he returned to the story? Why did Judas Iscariot betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver? Why not 31 or 34? Why silver? Why at night? Silver most likely represents the moon and the 30 pieces represent the 30 degrees. It’s all astrological symbolism. If the story actual took place, there wouldn’t have been any need for anyone to identify Jesus because he would have been well known to everybody. He allegedly drew large crowds wherever he went preaching and healing folks, he made a big scene entering Jerusalem, he went to the temple and caused a big scene as well. Why did the priests need to pay someone to identify Jesus? It's preposterous.


The 4 gospels were just 4 versions of an astrological allegory that the early church misrepresented as a real story about real people. BTW, the 4 gospels represent the 4 seasons. It's a zodiac allegory.

[darkstar3]

39. OK, even I'm bailing now.

BTW, the 4 gospels represent the 4 seasons. It's a zodiac allegory.

Do you happen to know how many gospels there were originally? I don't know the exact number, but I DO know there were a lot more than four, and those four were chosen by Constantine and his Council of Nicaea. I don't think the gospels had anything to do with the seasons.

[moobu2]

40. 4 were chosen by Council of Nicaea from the many.

I know that.

[moobu2]

41. These people imagined that at sunrise,

the sun popped through a cave along the edge of the earth (they didn’t know), that it traveled across the sky and exited through another cave in the west. That’s why the Bible has Jesus being born in a cave (he wasn’t born in a barn) and has him being placed in a cave at his death. Jesus represented the sun, so naturally they would imagine him being placed in a cave at birth and death. The story is an allegory representing the sun.


All That I’m saying is.

Christianity exists, right? everybody agrees that it does in fact exist. So, Christianity is either true, or it isn’t true. If Christianity is true, and Jesus walked on water, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn and was the son of a God and so forth (lol), then it‘s true. End of story. If Christianity isn’t true, then it was either completely made up out of nothing, for some reason, or it developed from something else somehow.

I don’t think Christianity is true because, first and foremost, I’m about as atheist as anyone can get. (I rank 15 on the 1-10 atheist scale) I have no belief in Gods, ghosts, holy or otherwise, or astrology, magic, voodoo or whatever. There’s no such thing as the supernatural, obviously. But, I don’t think Christianity was made up out of nothing either, or that some guys got together in a dark room somewhere and invented Christianity as a means to take over the world, or anything like that. I just think that Christianity developed out of other older belief systems, namely, Sun worship and Astrology, which came from the Hebrews, Egyptians and others. Sun worship and astrology was a common practice all around the Mediterranean at the time, and anyone who takes the time to look, can still see these sun worshipping astrological beliefs throughout the Bible, in almost every verse. I don’t think there's some hidden double secret Bible code.

The Bible is Astrological allegory mixed with pagan belief and local superstition.

The 12 Olympians, the 12 Disciples, the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 chores of Hercules, these stories are different, with different characters and purposes, but they are all allegory based on the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

A Zodiac mosaic floor from a 6th century Jewish synagogue.

[DeSwiss]

42. Precisely.

- And this is an absolutely wonderful post!

[moobu2]

44. Here's a very good explanation of where the Jesus story originated.

Sirius is the brightest star in the sky bar the sun itself; it disappears from view each year for 70 nights, and in antiquity, when it reappeared (the heliacal rising of Sirius) it marked the start of the Nile floods. It was therefore highly venerated by the ancient Egyptians. To them it was so important, and it was so bright in the night sky, that it was literally THE Star in the East.


The farthest south the sunrise ever gets is on the winter solstice. Once this point is reached the sunrise changes direction and moves back towards the north.
· This marked the start of longer days, and a return to spring and summer. The ancient Egyptians did celebrate this solar event, to them it was “The birth of the sun”.
· Every night, Orion’s belt and Sirius line up. Just after Sirius comes into view above the horizon, all four stars point to the place on the eastern horizon where the sun rises on the winter solstice.




Today, the Winter solstice is on the 21st December; in antiquity (when the following allegorical story was first created) it was on the 25th December.
So: “The three Kings follow the Eastern Star which leads them to where the SUN is born”; ( on the 25th December), FACT!


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The Crux constellation (Latin for Cross) is also called the Southern Cross. It points to celestial south and was therefore venerated by the ancients for its usefulness in navigation. In fact, it was so important that it has been used as an emblem in many national flags.
· It is very bright and forms a perfect cross.
· It travelled across the night sky with a low arc just above south when viewed from the Middle East pre 400 CE (400 AD).
· On the winter solstice the suns arc in the sky is the smallest and lowest it ever gets.
· After the winter solstice the suns arc across the sky gets larger and higher at midday: It rises in the sky.
· During this period, viewed from the Middle East pre 400 CE, the sun’s arc across the day sky is in the area of the constellation Crux’s arc across the night sky.



So: “the SUN dies on the cross, and then the sun rises again”; FACT!

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There are NO “Non Biblical” References to the Matthew, Mark, Luke & John version of “Jesus Christ” pre 70 CE (70 AD); FACT!
Therefore, did Jesus actually exist, or is he just an astrological invention?
IGNORE THE VIEW OF THE CHURCH, AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND!
Also born on the winter solstice (circa 25th Dec) and dying and resurrecting after 3 days:
Osiris, Attis, Bacchus, Mithra, Dionysus and many many more.
All of which pre date the Jesus story by hundreds of years, some by thousands of years.

This information was taken from this website