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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 05:57 PM Original message |
Where does God fit into the Catholic Pedophile Scandal? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wherever the child rape racketeers say he does. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. The priests and bishops and cardinals are God's own gangsters... |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. I know I don't have a real answer to this. . .but I was molested by a priest |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I am truly sorry to hear that. |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I guess I didn't express myself very well. . . |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Thanks |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Damn...you sound like a very interesting person and woman |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. The Stigmata is the name of the movie |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Thanks, I'll try to find it and watch it. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. It had been awhile since I had seen it |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Where do I find it on line??? I don't want to watch it right now, but I'd like to know where to |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Here is a link |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Thank you! |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Exactly. Didn't know about St Thomas. . .but it just makes sense to me. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, the Catholic Encyclopedia reckons Mary was 14 when she was betrothed |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. not really |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Created Hell??? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
10. ummm it's god's will. too bad, everything is their god's will nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. Very few people, if any, disagree with their god on ethical issues. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. It is because |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I think monotheistic gods are almost always the deification of the believers' opinions. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Are you saying |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. A reflection of one's opinions perhaps, but not necessarily other traits. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yes it does |
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chaplainM (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why, he's right over there |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Church is composed of human beings. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. And yet, while unsurprised, he did nothing to stop it. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. You have an odd understanding of God. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Not as odd as yours. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Of course. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. So what would that difference between a godless and a god-filled universe be? n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Existence, for one thing. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Prove it. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. No. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. As usual. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. "Prove it" is a third grade recess argument. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Really? Third grade? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Here you go. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. A perfect picture of what's usually contained in your head? n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. How did you measure Darkstar's understanding of God? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I did not measure her understanding. I predicted her tired parroting. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Actually my angle was much simpler than Epicurus' "problem of evil". |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I am confused... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. If you read Epicurus (you can use a book, not a ouija board), he recites |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Why is that odd? Giving human attributes to a god seems very common to me. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Because you define with limits something limitless. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The problem is that this very unlimited nature is not logically consistant... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Logic itself is a human construct.. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. If God is everything, what's the point? |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Religion is, at best, an attempt to understand what we currently don't know... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. That's true. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Ah, careful, that's an assertion without proof... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. If people do not understand God, how can they know God is limitless? nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Because a god with limits is not god. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You know God is limitless because God is limitless? Seems like circular thinking to me. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No. Read Anselm. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Are you able to explain your seemingly contradicting claims? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. 1 and 2 are complementary. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Religion is based on ignorance you mean. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Well, *some* of us know that isn't the case. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. No, that's not what I mean. Nice of you to project though. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Enlighten me. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. How can a person know anything about an unknowable subject? nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You can know "anything" but you won't know everything. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Wouldn't this make everything, or at least most things, unknowable? nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I don't know. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The God of the Bible is very human... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yes, it is a conundrum. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Of course, its a very important historical document... |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Her? |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
52. I see my thread has |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Buried in that subthread you will find the only true answer you've gotten so far. |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Fine |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. This first came up in the fourth century with Donatus. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. What's so special about the sacraments? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Here, from the horse's mouth. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Thanks for that. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
78. Probably depends on who you ask. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
79. Right next to Mother Goose. |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
80. If there is a god |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. But since all Catholics believe |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Can’t speak for Catholics, but will dare speak of them… |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. My OP |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. From a former RCC (whose family is Catholic) |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
84. There is no human being who does not sin |
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Beringia (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
86. *** I am trying to get my post count up to post my own thread |
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Beringia (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. as far as the question in the post |
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Beringia (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. n/t |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. obviously, |
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