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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:11 PM Original message |
Irrationality |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'd rather call it nonrationality |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't think the non-literate thing really applies either. |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. deleted |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Well, I think it's irrational to fail to check Consumer Reports before buying a car |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. There's just no Consumer Reports equivalent for spiritual beliefs. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. There is science for the current best analysis of the operating system of the univers |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. As long as you keep your irrationality to yourself and don't try to pass laws based on it, ok. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Agreed. The religion that makes sense to my personal flavor of irrationality is Wicca. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Or, to put in simpler terms, I am totally against theocracy. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. ... |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. how about judging one's critical impulses by harm to others. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I can't let this go without comment: |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Er, no. Sorry. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That's no strawman. It's your very own quote. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. I think everyone acts irrationally most of the time, it's impossible not to. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes, and I don't think acting irrationally some of the time is wrong. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
15. Rationality has its limits. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. How do you evaluate the truth value of different irrational statements? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The first thing I would do is determine whether the subject is amenable to mathematics or logic. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. "I would look for another means of evaluation." |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The second thing I would do is consider the implications of the unprovable thing. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What is the basis for this declaration: |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. these are not original thoughts. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Never claimed these were original. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. A rape is not the product of the free will of the victim. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. You are attempting, as most theologians do... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I take it you're not answering the question. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I asked you first. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Oh, brother. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Fine. I'll give you an answer, since clearly if I don't, you are going to use it as an escape hatch |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I don't know is a fair answer. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. But your answer "b" is precisely the lazy "god of the gaps" copout. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. If human reason is finite then, by definition, it has a breaking point. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You keep saying that as if it were proven. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Good luck on finding infinite human reason. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You've shifted your claim. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Here, read this. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yes, that concerns your new claim. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. They are related. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Theology at its root |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's your opinion, and a remarkably uninformed opinion at that. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Ask yourself how much ink has been spilled |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. I don't have a one-liner for it, sorry. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
24. Playtime. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
26. Emotions and feelings are by definition irrational... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Not at all |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Yes. It is an instinctive reaction. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Sorry, wrong again |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
51. My whole point is that I think believers and atheists are speaking from entirely different places. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. We need the nonrational yes. The irrational... not so much. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. A very good distinction indeed. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. +1 |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
44. "Irrationality . . . Is there a legitimate place, time, and role for it?" |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I hope you're just being cute and not actually... |
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