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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:37 AM
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Less Worry, Better Coping Seen Among Religious Folks
FRIDAY, Aug. 5 (HealthDay News) -- Believing in a benevolent God may help reduce worry and improve a person's ability to cope with uncertainty, researchers report.

The paper, recently published in the Journal of Clinical Psychology, includes the results of two studies conducted by researchers at Harvard-affiliated McLean Hospital, in Belmont, Mass.

One study of 332 Christians and Jews found that those who trusted in God to look out for them had lower levels of worry and less intolerance of uncertainty in their lives.

The second study included 125 Jews who took part in a two-week program meant to increase their trust in God. The participants reported an increased trust in God and decreases in worry, stress and intolerance of uncertainty.

http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news-1/Less-Worry--Better-Coping-Seen-Among-Religious-Folks-84216-1/
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:39 AM
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1. It's the religious that brought this nightmare economic situation to the U.S.
American churches are right wing, with the rare exception that happens to be exactly that, an exception.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:51 AM
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4. Relax.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:55 AM
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5. Relax nothing. Our country has, over the past 31 years, been turned into a third world nation
And the right wing churches have been instrumental in getting the people voted in that caused that.

The exception churches are too few (I can't think of any), too weak, and unheard.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:58 AM
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6. Don't worry about a thing
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 11:47 AM
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30. "relax" and "don't worry about a thing" is what religion has been teaching. And look where we are.
Ignorance is not bliss, rug. Wake up and smell the coffee, brother. Reality is at the door and wants to talk to you.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:40 PM
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7. Tax the Churches!
Churches get the biggest tax loophole of all. They pay nothing.
Some of them have enormous resources and many of them are very actively involved in politics.

Tax the churches.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 12:56 PM
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8. Money is overrated.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:48 PM
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13. YES! That's what needs to be done. The rules are broken anyway, and churches are taking FEDERAL
funds. So I say tax the hell out of all churches.

Take religion home to each person's family. STOP the American right wing church (which is nearly the totality of it).
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:54 PM
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14. One for you, nineteen for me
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 02:59 AM
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24. Trying the LoZoccolo style?
Silly grasshopper, only the original has Joker Immunity!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:50 AM
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26. Just don't call me Maurice.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:42 AM
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2. Depends upon the denomination . . . .
I think a lot of people find their serenity according to Scripture that guides them to that state of mind coupled with sermons on the same topic.

But I also think there are a lot of other religionists who can't embrace peace as long as there is one soul who hasn't "found Christ", "walked The Path", etc. These people are bent on converting apostates, infidels, and heretics. If this can't be done via evangelism, then they change laws that reflect their goals. Don't forget Salem, Massachusetts as a theocracy.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:00 PM
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17. extremes exist in and out of religion. for me, I have ditched the dogma
and embraced the spiritual. it gets me more than through my day
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:45 AM
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3. Interesting.nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:03 PM
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9. Cart before the horse?
I would think that most of the people who can believe in a benevolent god who is keeping them safe are relatively free of ordinary worries up front. Likely they have stable families, stable jobs, stable neighborhoods, and stable lives.

People who don't generally believe in a malevolent devil countering a benevolent god and that just adds another layer of worry.
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Kalidurga Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:19 PM
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10. The study is flawed...
I wish I was just saying that but it says right in the article.

The second study included 125 Jews who took part in a two-week program meant to increase their trust in God. The participants reported an increased trust in God and decreases in worry, stress and intolerance of uncertainty


In other words this effect is seen in people after a two-week brain washing program. It says nothing about whether this translates into more happiness for people who have never been in a two-week brain washing program or about how long the effect this program had.
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:20 PM
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11. The study is pointless if it excludes non-religious folks
"One study of 332 Christians and Jews found that those who trusted in God to look out for them had lower levels of worry and less intolerance of uncertainty in their lives.

The second study included 125 Jews who took part in a two-week program meant to increase their trust in God. The participants reported an increased trust in God and decreases in worry, stress and intolerance of uncertainty."
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:05 PM
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15. One has to wonder how any Jew could possibly be brainwashed by a 2-wk
program to "trust in God to look out for them" when that very same God sure as hell didn't look out for them in Nazi Germany, all within living memory. Unbelievable.
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digonswine Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 04:19 PM
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16. The study is pointless anyway--
People take comfort in crystals, homeopathy, astrology, etc. It has nothing to do with the veracity of these beliefs.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 01:30 PM
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12. They need a control group - and toss in a homo - then watch them freak out
Far too many of them don't cope with us too well at all.

I guess for a placebo you could throw Marcus Bachmann into another group just to see how they react.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:55 PM
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18. No atheists in the study? The "other" portion is what, then?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-11 09:55 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Christians and Jews who do NOT trust in God to look out for them?

Yeah, I can see how such a person may be worried.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:13 AM
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19. No...don't you see?
Believing in a god is obviously better. "Than what?" you may ask, but by asking that question you're missing the point, which is that it's simply better to believe in a god.

Theists who believe in a god are happier than theists who also believe in a god. Isn't that enough for you to drop to your knees and accept Jesus into your life?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:17 AM
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20. LOL!
What great studies! At long last, we have definitive proof that Christians and Jews have less worry than Christians and Jews.

I guess I'd better convert RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 02:57 AM
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23. Religion is so awesome it's better than itself!
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:51 AM
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21. They cope better than who???
What a surprise that people already conditioned to trust god felt better when told to trust god more. Control group? Comparison group? This is science? McLean should be embarrassed to be putting this out.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:37 PM
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27. Better than themselves.
As CPD put it, "Religion is so awesome it's better than itself!"
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 01:05 AM
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22. Ignorance is Bliss?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:43 AM
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25. I think that people who trust *anyone* to look out for them...
whether their spouse/partner, parents, friends, the state, or God, are happier and better at coping than those who don't. Of course, it's difficult to tell what comes first: a generally trusting personality, experiences that have built trust, or a particular faith.

And helping people to change their beliefs to give them a stronger sense of control of their lives, and reducing negative ruminations such as 'If I don't do well at everything, people will hate me'; 'I am a failure' - or 'God hates me and I'm going to Hell'- is likely to improve their coping skills. Indeed it's a central aspect of some forms of therapy. And I suppose if people are religious believers, their beliefs in God may come into this.

From the point of view of an atheist, believing that God will watch out for you is a form of self-deception. Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. Most of us deceive ourselves on all kinds of things to get through life without undue anxiety. There was one study which suggested that moderately depressed people actually have a more accurate perception of their abilities,reputation and degree of control of their lives than people who are not depressed (depressing in itself, huh?)

From the point of view of a religious person, there is a God, and (in most faiths), believing that God will watch out for you is accurate. And sometimes I wish I could believe such a thing, as it would be comforting. But I can't make myself believe in something that I don't believe!

Of course, religion can also imply the opposite: that God is punishing you/ will punish you for your misdeeds, or even that you are predestined to hell whatever you do. It depends both on the specific religion, and on the person.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:09 PM
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28. The people of
Jonestown and Heaven's Gate probably had little worry, right up to drinking the koolade.

We understand thinking the Sky Daddy looks after you makes people feel better. Unfortunately it doesn't solve any real problems in ones life.
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ATLdemocrat Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 01:31 AM
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29. Christians and Jews trust in god????
Edited on Sat Aug-13-11 01:32 AM by ATLdemocrat
What a concept! What'll they tell us next? That atheists show an increase in atheism? Or that a study of 332 gays and lesbians found an increase in attraction to the same sex???
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 12:12 PM
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31. Whoopee! The study ONLY included believers to begin with. That makes it NOT a "study" at all!
It makes it hogwash.
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